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Post by emily445455 on May 2, 2008 20:46:13 GMT -5
God created us perfect, we messed it up. Not God's fault we're not good anymore.
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Post by Cepha on May 2, 2008 20:51:40 GMT -5
God created us perfect, we messed it up. Not God's fault we're not good anymore. We're good. We don't act good, but nothing bad can come out of anything good. Remember what Jesus says...it isn't what goes into a man that makes him not good, but what comes from within the man.  |
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Post by emily445455 on May 2, 2008 21:04:05 GMT -5
Hmm...I'd have to look thru my notes, but there's a verse that talks about no man is good. I'll look it up when I find my Discipleship notebook.
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Post by Cepha on May 2, 2008 21:15:55 GMT -5
Hmm...I'd have to look thru my notes, but there's a verse that talks about no man is good. I'll look it up when I find my Discipleship notebook. Throw away the "books" that are not in The Holy Bible. Study from your Bible...not from a man made book. |
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Post by emily445455 on May 3, 2008 17:50:22 GMT -5
My notes from church, Discipleship, Bible studies are just notes on rightly dividing the Word of God. We take notes from the Bible...
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Post by Cepha on May 3, 2008 18:47:05 GMT -5
My notes from church, Discipleship, Bible studies are just notes on rightly dividing the Word of God. We take notes from the Bible... In other words, being "taught" The Word of God by man. |
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Post by emily445455 on May 3, 2008 19:49:12 GMT -5
In other words, being "taught" The Word of God by man. Not taught exactly...maybe "guided" to verses that help explain one other by someone. |
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Post by Cepha on May 3, 2008 20:03:10 GMT -5
In other words, being "taught" The Word of God by man. Not taught exactly...maybe "guided" to verses that help explain one other by someone. Ok, so you allowed yourself to be "led" by a man to your beliefs then, right? You placed your faith in his "guidance". |
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Post by emily445455 on May 3, 2008 20:05:44 GMT -5
Not taught exactly...maybe "guided" to verses that help explain one other by someone. Ok, so you allowed yourself to be "led" by a man to your beliefs then, right? You placed your faith in his "guidance". I trust him because he has studied it. But I also do my own research thru Discipleship...which is at a stand still right now  I miss it |
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Post by Cepha on May 3, 2008 20:13:01 GMT -5
Ok, so you allowed yourself to be "led" by a man to your beliefs then, right? You placed your faith in his "guidance". I trust him because he has studied it. But I also do my own research thru Discipleship...which is at a stand still right now I miss it But how do you know that what he studied is right? If it's just because he studied it, then you should be a Catholic. We wrote The Bible and a Catholic Priest has to go to school for a decade (that's 10 years of his life) before he's allowed to be a full fledged Priest. They are by far the best theologically trained Pastors around. If you really want an education you can trust, then you're supposed to go to The Church that God chose to put The Holy Bible together in the first place. Who better to decipher it than God's choice? But hey, I know your reasons for trusting you Pastor and not trusting The Catholic Church have nothing to do with your search for truth. I know it's all conditioning. |
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Post by emily445455 on May 3, 2008 21:23:36 GMT -5
Because what he preaches lines up with what I study in Discipleship.
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Post by Cepha on May 3, 2008 21:59:14 GMT -5
Because what he preaches lines up with what I study in Discipleship. And does this "discipleship" take place in his church or with his other congregation members? |
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Post by emily445455 on May 4, 2008 8:23:04 GMT -5
Discipleship is a one-on-one intensive study of the Bible, within the Church Body (global, not local).
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Post by Cepha on May 4, 2008 8:57:32 GMT -5
Discipleship is a one-on-one intensive study of the Bible, within the Church Body (global, not local). "1 on 1"? You and who else? |
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Post by emily445455 on May 4, 2008 12:25:07 GMT -5
Me and another woman who has gone thru Discipleship. We are following God's command, go out and make disciples. So I am being formed into a disciple, and when I'm done, I'll form more people into being disciples. It's really a beautiful thing |
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Post by Cepha on May 4, 2008 23:11:10 GMT -5
Me and another woman who has gone thru Discipleship. We are following God's command, go out and make disciples. So I am being formed into a disciple, and when I'm done, I'll form more people into being disciples. It's really a beautiful thing Oh I see. You guys have a different definition of the word Disciple too than what The Bible states. In The Holy Bible, a Disciple is a follower of Chist. It doesn't rely on their having to convert others. Only Apostles are called to do that. That is, as far as The Bible is concerned. |
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Post by emily445455 on May 5, 2008 8:22:57 GMT -5
She didn't convert me...I was converted WAY before I started Discipleship. Dischipleship can be taught to the Lost, but only the first 2 sections...which are on the Fall, Salvation, the basic stuff. But until the recieve Christ, they can't go beyond lesson 2. We are being followers of Christ and studying His Word to help us do that.
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Post by redsoxfan on May 5, 2008 21:44:38 GMT -5
Sounds like the begining of Dogma, not specifically referrenced to in the Bible. I would run if I were you from it!
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Post by Cepha on May 6, 2008 6:29:18 GMT -5
She didn't convert me...I was converted WAY before I started Discipleship. Dischipleship can be taught to the Lost, but only the first 2 sections...which are on the Fall, Salvation, the basic stuff. But until the recieve Christ, they can't go beyond lesson 2. We are being followers of Christ and studying His Word to help us do that. I never meant that she converted you...I meant that you don't have to convert people to be a Disciple. And yeah RSF...that sounds eerily like Jehovah Witnessism to me. Odd how one of the main reasons Protestantism was started was because they claimed we don't need a Church to teach us, yet they go around "teaching" this. And, if you are going around converting people or you feel that you are called to convert people, according to you, you are not just a Disciple, but you are are also an Apostle. As for "us" being called to convert people, I assume you mean that personally (which I can't deny since I don't know your relationship with God). Biblically speaking, Disciples were never called to go and convert people (or make more Disciples). Only The Apostles were granted that commission. Which is the literal meaning of the word. But for argument's sake, let's define both words: dis·ci·ple –noun 1. Religion. a. one of the 12 personal followers of Christ. b. one of the 70 followers sent forth by Christ. Luke 10:1. c. any other professed follower of Christ in His lifetime. 2. any follower of Christ. 3. (initial capital letter) a member of the Disciples of Christ. 4. a person who is a pupil or an adherent of the doctrines of another; follower: a disciple of Freud. –verb (used with object) 5. Archaic. to convert into a disciple. 6. Obsolete. to teach; train. a·pos·tle –noun 1. any of the early followers of Jesus who carried the Christian message into the world. 2. (sometimes initial capital letter) any of the original 12 disciples called by Jesus to preach the gospel: Simon Peter, the brothers James and John, Andrew, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, James the son of Alpheus, Thaddaeus, Simon the Zealot, Judas Iscariot. 3. the first or the best-known Christian missionary in any region or country. 4. Eastern Church. one of the 70 disciples of Jesus. 5. the title of the highest ecclesiastical official in certain Protestant sects. 6. (among the Jews of the Christian epoch) a title borne by persons sent on foreign missions. 7. one of the 12 administrative officials of the Mormon Church. 8. a pioneer of any reform movement. 9. Nautical. a knighthead, esp. one having its top projecting and used as a bitt or bollard. |
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Post by Cepha on May 6, 2008 6:36:50 GMT -5
Sounds like the begining of Dogma, not specifically referrenced to in the Bible. I would run if I were you from it! Jehovah's Witness's Discipleship Pilgrimage Through the Watchtower, 2. What Jehovah's Witnesses BelieveBefore getting into the doctrinal teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses, ... is eventually discarded altogether, and the Witness " discipleship" is then complete. ... www.kevinquick.com/kkministries/books/pilgrimage/2.htmlThe manner in which they study and have the formal regimented steps or levels of training. |
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