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Post by alfie on Apr 27, 2008 10:18:03 GMT -5
"When a protestant uses the term saved it means he has the assurance he will go to heaven." Not true. . It just means that they have accepted God into their hearts and lives and are walking on the ROAD to salvation. Doesn't mean he's guaranteed it. The Bible says whosoever calls upon the Lord shall be saved. Can't be any plainer than that. It always amazes me that Catholics are so happy knowing that they have no real assurance in this life of making it to heaven. |
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Post by redsoxfan on Apr 27, 2008 13:10:28 GMT -5
You have no assurance alfie, just bible misinterpretation. It's ok though Jesus still loves you!
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Post by Cepha on Apr 28, 2008 8:05:34 GMT -5
Firstly, Reina is "not" a Catholic.
Secondly, Jesus Himself teaches us that just calling upon The Lord to be saved is not enough...you also have to "do" what He says:
Luke 6
46And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
47Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
48He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
49But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 28, 2008 8:13:21 GMT -5
well, it all depends on which kind of "protestant" you ask... which is why i have such an issue w/ everyone on this board who is not a protestant lumping everyone into one category. I can speak from what I know and have lived so each time y'all do that, I have to give my point of view which shows otherwise.. lol I think we are getting to understand each other better by having such a forum where we can openly discuss things. I'm learning a lot about Protestants here. I'd like to believe that they are learning a lot about us. That's why I have this no ban option. When both sides are allowed to openly discuss things, it keeps one side from making outrageously riduculous slandersous accusations without having to be confronted with rebuttals. When they know that they will be answered back without the responders being in anyway censored, they think twice before posting anything they can't prove. Therefore, rhetoric is put out like a match with a rain storm. I for one would like to go on the record of saying that not all non-Catholic Christians believe the same things. The only thing that all Protestants have in common is that they are not Catholics. Today, most don't even "protest" The Church. Just a fringe element of their religion does. I hope you nor anyone else is offended when they are called Protestants and that we both understand the different meanings of the word that include both non-anti-Catholic Christians and anti-Catholic Christians. But...I can't do anything about you being a Red Sox fan. You need Je...ter! LMCBO! |
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Post by redsoxfan on Apr 28, 2008 12:31:12 GMT -5
That's cause the forces of Hell will not prevail against the gates of Red Sox Nation!
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 28, 2008 14:25:29 GMT -5
Rev 2&3 state that some that are saved are judged and not allowed into heaven. So does Matthew 7. Where? |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 28, 2008 15:23:38 GMT -5
I think he is talking about Matthew 7:21-23
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 28, 2008 16:23:08 GMT -5
I believe that is talking about those who professed Jesus, but were never born-again. What about Rev 2 and 3?
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Post by knuckle on Apr 28, 2008 18:58:06 GMT -5
Hi Emily------------
Mathew 7 is comparable to The sin of Ananias and Sapphira in acts 5.
much like that TBN crowd too.
Greed is a sin of the flesh and according to Rev.1 and 2 we must over come the flesh to be in the first resurrection (of which many are called but few chosen).
much love------------knuckle
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Post by Cepha on May 3, 2008 12:45:17 GMT -5
That's cause the forces of Hell will not prevail against the gates of Red Sox Nation! Yeah, because Satan cannot cast out Satan! LOL! |
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Post by Cepha on May 3, 2008 12:48:20 GMT -5
Rev 2&3 state that some that are saved are judged and not allowed into heaven. So does Matthew 7. Where? He addresses Christians who were judged not worthy to enter heaven. These were "beleivers". Yet with all of their faith, they still couldn't get into heaven. Faith without works is dead. Faith alone does not save. So no one can say that all one needs to be saved is to believe in Jesus. |
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Post by knuckle on May 3, 2008 16:28:07 GMT -5
Hiya catholics--------------------
your view of purgatory is similar to how I view the millennial rulership and the lake of fire
much love-------------knuckle
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Post by emily445455 on May 3, 2008 17:46:32 GMT -5
He addresses Christians who were judged not worthy to enter heaven. These were "beleivers". Yet with all of their faith, they still couldn't get into heaven. Faith without works is dead. Faith alone does not save. So no one can say that all one needs to be saved is to believe in Jesus. Other places in the Bible disagree. It says, believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be Saved. It also says Salvation is free, if we have to do works to get Saved, then it's not free anymore. |
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Post by Cepha on May 3, 2008 18:31:25 GMT -5
It doesn't say "just" believe and do nothing else.
Salvation from original sin is, but not "eternal" salvation.
Your argument would be better served if you actually quoted the actual scriptures.
Baptism frees you only from original sin, but for the sins of the rest of your life, you must pay for those.
Nobody who get's saved stops sinning all of a sudden.
They keep sinning.
Hence, the judgement of Christians who claimed to be saved by believing in Jesus as you say, but didn't do God's will or Jesus' will:
Matthew 7
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matthew 25
40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,
43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
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Post by emily445455 on May 3, 2008 18:46:50 GMT -5
My pastor equated Salvation to getting married. One minutes you're single, the next married. One minute you're bound for Hell, the next Saved.
I read something on another site that reminded me of this...works are for Crowns, not for Salvation.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on May 3, 2008 18:48:29 GMT -5
Can you give scriptures instead of what your pastor says..
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Post by Cepha on May 3, 2008 18:49:05 GMT -5
My pastor equated Salvation to getting married. One minutes you're single, the next married. One minute you're bound for Hell, the next Saved. I read something on another site that reminded me of this...works are for Crowns, not for Salvation. Crowns? Everybody gets crowned in heaven. There aren't any "levels" in heaven where someone with more good works is more crowned than anybody else. But I'm curious...what's your opinion on the scriture I provided regarding how Jesus told those who believed in Him, but didn't do good works and were condemned? |
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Post by Cepha on May 3, 2008 18:51:06 GMT -5
Can you give scriptures instead of what your pastor says.. I asked her that CC. Let's give her time.  Unfortunately, she is taught first by her Pastor, then she believes in something instead of coming to the truth by herself, then having it confirmed or unconfirmed by scripture. You have to understand that Protestants are very dependant on their Pastors for religious guidance. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on May 3, 2008 18:52:33 GMT -5
I trust noone....i have to get the truth from studing, i cant just take someones word for it
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Post by Cepha on May 3, 2008 18:57:53 GMT -5
I trust noone....i have to get the truth from studing, i cant just take someones word for it You took King Jame's word that his bible is the real bible, right? |
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