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Post by emily445455 on Apr 21, 2008 12:33:17 GMT -5
You're right, I don't know my history that well, but I plan on studying it someday. But my statement still holds true  False religions blind people. |
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Post by redsoxfan on Apr 24, 2008 12:18:47 GMT -5
Em, How do you know whose religion is false? When did you religion spring forth onto the scene?
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 24, 2008 13:02:17 GMT -5
RSF, If it doesn't line up with the Bible, it is false.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 24, 2008 13:12:29 GMT -5
what exactly is it about the Catholic Church that is not in the Bible em?
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 24, 2008 13:17:06 GMT -5
Sigh...let's not get into it. We've talked about them before.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 24, 2008 13:22:51 GMT -5
ok, if you say so..
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Post by redsoxfan on Apr 26, 2008 22:25:50 GMT -5
RSF, If it doesn't line up with the Bible, it is false. So why would the Catholic Church put together the bible if it didn't square up with what they teach?  |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 27, 2008 8:02:49 GMT -5
I have no idea, RSF.
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Post by alfie on Apr 27, 2008 9:33:10 GMT -5
RSF, If it doesn't line up with the Bible, it is false. So why would the Catholic Church put together the bible if it didn't square up with what they teach? It was the "Holy Spirit" not the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church did not exist until the 4th century under Constantine. |
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Post by redsoxfan on Apr 27, 2008 13:30:55 GMT -5
The Catholic Church has existed since Jesus gave St. Peter the Keys to the Kingdom thus signifying his authority to rule the church on earth. That was around 33 Anno Domini. Not 400 years later under an emperor. The successors of Peter are still around today. At home in the Catholic Church.
Toodles~RSF
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Post by Cepha on Apr 28, 2008 7:25:28 GMT -5
what exactly is it about the Catholic Church that is not in the Bible em? LOL! I've asked that too and when they tell me those things that we do that are not in The Bible and I point it out in scripture where they are, it shows them just how much they "don't" know The Bible. I guess believing in The Bible and being a "Bible believing" Christians is great...but actually "knowing" The Holy Bible is always better! Of course, when I show them our practices in scripture, they dissappear after that. ;D |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 28, 2008 7:28:20 GMT -5
So why would the Catholic Church put together the bible if it didn't square up with what they teach? It was the "Holy Spirit" not the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church did not exist until the 4th century under Constantine. Exactly...and because Jesus gave The Holy Spirit "to" His Church in Acts, then The Church that has The Spirit with it is His Church. Now, being that no other Christian Church has existed since the 16th Century, then only one Church could have that Holy Spirit. And wrong on The Church being created with Contstantine's age...it existed a good 300 hears before he was even born: "Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrneans, 8:2 (c. A.D. 110). |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 28, 2008 7:28:54 GMT -5
The Catholic Church has existed since Jesus gave St. Peter the Keys to the Kingdom thus signifying his authority to rule the church on earth. That was around 33 Anno Domini. Not 400 years later under an emperor. The successors of Peter are still around today. At home in the Catholic Church. Toodles~RSF Preach brother! |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 28, 2008 14:30:26 GMT -5
what exactly is it about the Catholic Church that is not in the Bible em? LOL! I've asked that too and when they tell me those things that we do that are not in The Bible and I point it out in scripture where they are, it shows them just how much they "don't" know The Bible. I guess believing in The Bible and being a "Bible believing" Christians is great...but actually "knowing" The Holy Bible is always better! Of course, when I show them our practices in scripture, they dissappear after that. ;D We've gone over them before. |
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Post by redsoxfan on Apr 30, 2008 21:37:39 GMT -5
Try us.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 30, 2008 22:39:09 GMT -5
Someone once listed like a hundred things that they say "aren't" in The Bible.
They mentioned things that weren't even invented yet! LOL!
They mentioned things like Holy Water and Candles! LOL!
I took each thing they listed and quoted the scripture in which it existed.
Funny...they never answered me back.
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Post by alfie on May 12, 2008 23:41:05 GMT -5
The Catholic Church has existed since Jesus gave St. Peter the Keys to the Kingdom thus signifying his authority to rule the church on earth. That was around 33 Anno Domini. Not 400 years later under an emperor. The successors of Peter are still around today. At home in the Catholic Church. Toodles~RSF The Keys is the Salvation message which Peter was to preach to un-saved people. Every Christian has the keys which are the knowledge of salvation. Why did things get so easy for Christians under Constantine ?Because Christianity had become corrupted and therfore not a threat to Satan. |
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Post by Cepha on May 13, 2008 4:22:53 GMT -5
Does it say that in The Bible?
Oh, so Christianity is protected, and this is Satan's work?
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Post by blackie on May 14, 2008 2:33:04 GMT -5
The Keys is the Salvation message which Peter was to preach to un-saved people. Every Christian has the keys which are the knowledge of salvation. Why did things get so easy for Christians under Constantine ?Because Christianity had become corrupted and therfore not a threat to Satan.
As for the "Salvation message which Peter was to preach to un-saved people", one might be wise to examine just what that was and then follow it and the Catholic Church which still preaches it.
Who REALLY Preaches "A Different Gospel"?
It is my own opinion that the majority of non-Catholic salvation messages actually present a different and deficient gospel than that of the New Testament, the early church and the Catholic Church for the last 2,000 years.
I believe that the essential "way of salvation" verses that are used in a great many non-Catholic evangelistic messages been have ripped from the pages of the Word of God and bandied about in the last 500 years to further a different and oversimplified deficient Gospel that anyone who sits down and reads the New Testament for themselves without some non-Catholic preacher breathing down their neck every Sunday and Wednesday will soon discover is not the same Gospel of salvation.
I have read the Word of God many times and that is why I am a Catholic. The salvation message of the Catholic Church is in line with the teachings of the New Testament, and I believe that the salvation message of the majority of non-Catholics is some different gospel, condemned by St. Paul and leads to something that I have dubbed "Christianity Lite".
This is the result of much internet discussion with a variety of non-Catholics which spawned the following post here on Apocalypsis. How Is A Catholic Saved?
Read your New Testament from cover to cover and see what the teachings are concerning salvation and then compare the various non-Catholic "ways" and "plans" of salvation with what you have read and see if the Holy Spirit does not show you the deficiencies and differences between the two.
They stop far short of what the New Testament Gospel is while the teachings of the Catholic Church are in fact right in line with it.
I would suggest that the context of the New Testament does not teach the Reformed doctrine and that (as I have stated before) their's is a different and deficient gospel.
If no works are involved in our salvation, then how do you explain the Gospel message preached on the day of Pentecost (under the influence of the fullness of the Holy Spirit no less!) in Acts 2:37-38.
[37] Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Brethren, what shall we do?"
[38] And Peter said to them, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
How do you explain the message delivered to St. Paul himself (especially since you assert that it is his teachings that convince you of the reformed position) in Acts 22:16
[16] And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name.'
Obviously, from the message there, baptism is key to salvation and does indeed wash away and forgive sins. The reformed teachings contradict this in spite of the plain sense of the scriptures.
If our works have no merit with regard to our salvation, why then does Our Lord plainly tell us that we will be judged and either welcomed into the Kingdom of God or cast into hell based upon them in Matthew 25: 31-46
[31] "When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.
[32] Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats,
[33] and he will place the sheep at his right hand, but the goats at the left.
[34] Then the King will say to those at his right hand, `Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world;
[35] for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me,
[36] I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.'
[37] Then the righteous will answer him, `Lord, when did we see thee hungry and feed thee, or thirsty and give thee drink?
[38] And when did we see thee a stranger and welcome thee, or naked and clothe thee?
[39] And when did we see thee sick or in prison and visit thee?'
[40] And the King will answer them, `Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.'
[41] Then he will say to those at his left hand, `Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels;
[42] for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,
[43] I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.'
[44] Then they also will answer, `Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to thee?'
[45] Then he will answer them, `Truly, I say to you, as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me.'
[46] And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
The Gospel today is (and should be!) the same as that preached by the apostles in the New Testament. (See Acts 2:37-38 and 22:16 as well as John 3:5) If what is preached is not the same then that (IMO) would qualify as "a different gospel".
I, like many many Catholics, have heard and seen allegations that ours is a different gospel, but having read the Word of God carefully and prayerfully many times over many years, and comparing the messages of those who make those allegations to the salvation message of the Catholic Church alongside the New Testament, I have found that just the opposite is true.
If, as I suspect, you have read the New Testament all the way through, (more than likely many times over) you can understand what I mean when I say that the Gospel of salvation is actually the topic throughout and I submit that it is the Gospel that is preached by the Catholic Church that accurately aligns with that and not the one of the reformers or their modern step children.
Galatians 1:[8] But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we preached to you, let him be accursed.
[9] As we have said before, so now I say again, If any one is preaching to you a gospel contrary to that which you received, let him be accursed. Who REALLY Preaches "A Different Gospel"?
Blackie
P.S. Nice to see you again too "Alfie".  |
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Post by alfie on May 17, 2008 19:33:19 GMT -5
The Keys is the Salvation message which Peter was to preach to un-saved people. Every Christian has the keys which are the knowledge of salvation. Why did things get so easy for Christians under Constantine ?Because Christianity had become corrupted and therfore not a threat to Satan.
I have read the Word of God many times and that is why I am a Catholic. The salvation message of the Catholic Church is in line with the teachings of the New Testament, and I believe that the salvation message of the majority of non-Catholics is some different gospel, condemned by St. Paul and leads to something that I have dubbed "Christianity Lite". How come back in your Protestant days when you claim you read your Bible so much all of these Catholic teachings like purgatory and such didn't leap right off the pages at you? You didn't notice them until an anti-Catholic made an anti-Catholic remark to you. After that you decided to find out if Catholicism was wrong so you did some reading up on it and discovered it was the truth but you did not find that truth reading the Bible which you claim Catholicism is based on. You had to read other sources besides the Bible to do so. |
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False religions blind people.
