|
|
Post by Cepha on May 13, 2008 4:14:03 GMT -5
Of course, because "faith alone" isn't a Biblical Doctrine. He literally added the word "alone" to the term "saved by faith" in order to invent this new 16th Century doctrine in order to create his own religion which was named (no surprise) after himself. He made himself his own personal christ. Martin Luther Added to the Book of Romans The Bible, in Romans 3:28, states, Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law. Martin Luther, in his German translation of the Bible, specifically added the word "allein" (English 'alone') to Romans 3:28-a word that is not in the original Greek. Notice what Protestant scholars have admitted: ...Martin Luther would once again emphasize...that we are "justified by faith alone", apart from the works of the Law" (Rom. 3:28), adding the German word allein ("alone") in his translation of the Greek text. There is certainly a trace of Marcion in Luther's move (Brown HOJ. Heresies: Heresy and Orthodoxy in the History of the Church. Hendrickson Publishers, Peabody (MA), 1988, pp. 64-65). Furthermore, Martin Luther himself reportedly said, You tell me what a great fuss the Papists are making because the word alone in not in the text of Paul…say right out to him: 'Dr. Martin Luther will have it so,'…I will have it so, and I order it to be so, and my will is reason enough. I know very well that the word 'alone' is not in the Latin or the Greek text (Stoddard J. Rebuilding a Lost Faith. 1922, pp. 101-102; see also Luther M. Amic. Discussion, 1, 127). This passage strongly suggests that Martin Luther viewed his opinions, and not the actual Bible as the primary authority--a concept which this author will name prima Luther. By "papists" he is condemning Roman Catholics, but is needs to be understood that Protestant scholars (like HOJ Brown) also realize that Martin Luther changed that scripture. A second rallying cry for followers of Martin Luther was the expression sola fide (faith alone). But it appears that Martin Luther may have intentionally mistranslated Romans 3:28 for the pretence of supposedly having supposed scriptural justification for his sola fide doctrine. He also made another change in Romans. Romans 4:15 states, ...because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression. Yet in his German translation, Martin Luther added the word 'only' before the term 'wrath' to Romans 4:15 (O'Hare, p. 201). This presumably was to attempt to justify his position to discredit the law. www.cogwriter.com/luther.htm(a Protestant website) |
|
|
|
Post by Cepha on May 13, 2008 4:20:37 GMT -5
If it wasn't for Martin Luther there would not have been a Reformation and if there had not been a Reformation than there would not have been a United States of America and I would not be posting on this forum. Praise the "LORD" for the REFORMATION! So you're saying that God authored a failed attempt to reform The Catholic Church which was The Reformation's goal? God failed (because the Reformation failed at "re-forming" The Catholic Church)? They couldn't re-form The Church so they had to start their own churches...then, they turned on themselves. Luther tried to have Zwingli burned at the stake and hunted him down throughout Europe. Calvin had to develop his own Army. You believe that God started this chaos? As for the U.S., it wasn't settled by Protestants first, it was discovered and settled by Catholics years before Protestant ever existed. By the time Protestantism was born, we had colonies here. And right now, with Abortion, Capitol Punishment and various other sins against God that are legal here (Pornography, unjust wars, the vile media, etc...), this country is nothing to brag about. |
|
|
|
Post by righteousone on May 15, 2008 14:36:19 GMT -5
If it wasn't for Martin Luther there would not have been a Reformation and if there had not been a Reformation than there would not have been a United States of America and I would not be posting on this forum. Praise the "LORD" for the REFORMATION! You cannot be that brainwashed with this statement. It is ridiculous and absurd. LUTHER WAS A CATHOLIC MONK...HELLO?? The world was Catholic BEFORE the Reformation, therefore Jesus must of started the CC...duh.. |
|
|
|
Post by Cepha on May 15, 2008 14:46:02 GMT -5
If it wasn't for Martin Luther there would not have been a Reformation and if there had not been a Reformation than there would not have been a United States of America and I would not be posting on this forum. Praise the "LORD" for the REFORMATION! You cannot be that brainwashed with this statement. It is ridiculous and absurd. LUTHER WAS A CATHOLIC MONK...HELLO?? The world was Catholic BEFORE the Reformation, therefore Jesus must of started the CC...duh.. If she was allowed to study history pre-16th Century, she'd know this. |
|
|
|
Post by knuckle on May 15, 2008 17:00:49 GMT -5
Hi ya Cepha----------------------
When I asked about the seven churches in revelation you said that the catholic church was the church at Philadelphia------who were the other six and where are they now?
much love-----------------knuckle
|
|
|
|
Post by Cepha on May 15, 2008 23:14:50 GMT -5
I have no idea.
Some might not even exist yet.
There is no reference as to when they are developed.
But they are all there at the end.
|
|
|
|
Post by teresahrc on Jun 22, 2008 9:44:12 GMT -5
Thank God I don't have to follow Martin Luther anymore!
When I was a protestant (esp during my methodist years) I remember endearing sermons about Luther and him "standing up to" the Church. I was brainwashed to see only bad things about the Catholic Church, and I never once was taught anything that the Catholic Church really teaches.
Thank God that I'm now free from being blown back and forth by "every wind of doctrine" and mass confusion that comes from mass rebellion.
Teresa
|
|
|
|
Post by Cepha on Jun 22, 2008 9:55:44 GMT -5
Thank God I don't have to follow Martin Luther anymore! When I was a protestant (esp during my methodist years) I remember endearing sermons about Luther and him "standing up to" the Church. I was brainwashed to see only bad things about the Catholic Church, and I never once was taught anything that the Catholic Church really teaches. Thank God that I'm now free from being blown back and forth by "every wind of doctrine" and mass confusion that comes from mass rebellion. Teresa I wonder why they didn't teach you about how he went to confession until his death or how he venerated Mary or how he felt about The Eucharist or about how he felt that The Catholic Church was chosen by God? What they didn't teach you is that Luther didn't stand up against "The Church"...he stood up against members of The Heirchy that were clearly corrupt, but he never spoke against The Church. You were only being fed what it took for them to keep you "not" Catholic. If they had taught you and their members the whole truth, how many do you think would've remained "not" Catholic? Anti-Catholics aren't allowed to know the whole truth. Their afraid "reason" would prevail. The fact is, anti-Catholicism is the work of Satan. No Christian can be anti-Catholic...it's a contradiction. |
|
|
|
Post by alfie on Jun 22, 2008 18:25:50 GMT -5
Thank God I don't have to follow Martin Luther anymore! When I was a protestant (esp during my methodist years) I remember endearing sermons about Luther and him "standing up to" the Church. I was brainwashed to see only bad things about the Catholic Church, and I never once was taught anything that the Catholic Church really teaches. Thank God that I'm now free from being blown back and forth by "every wind of doctrine" and mass confusion that comes from mass rebellion. Teresa Funny! I've been a Methodist my entire life and rarely heard Luther's name mentioned in church although it wouldn't hurt for Protestants to know more about him and their Protestant heritage. I doubt if the majority of Methodists would even know who he or John Wesley (the founder of Methodism) is so I always find it amusing the way Catholics always fixate on him. The point I am making is that what I heard in church for the most part (with the exception of a couple of dead preachers) was Jesus and the glorious salvation message. Very sorry that you didn't hear about Jesus at your Methodist church.... but I did. |
|
|
|
Post by alfie on Jun 22, 2008 18:34:15 GMT -5
Thank God I don't have to follow Martin Luther anymore! When I was a protestant (esp during my methodist years) I remember endearing sermons about Luther and him "standing up to" the Church. I was brainwashed to see only bad things about the Catholic Church, and I never once was taught anything that the Catholic Church really teaches. Thank God that I'm now free from being blown back and forth by "every wind of doctrine" and mass confusion that comes from mass rebellion. Teresa Corrupt is an understatement. Do you realize that millions of people are in hell today because of the Catholic heirarchy? May our "Lord" have mercy on their souls. |
|
|
|
Post by Cepha on Jun 22, 2008 21:16:25 GMT -5
Well, that's the thing...Luther wasn't a Protestant. Luther was a Catholic Reformer.
I love Luther now that I know the truth about him and his true beliefs and practices. The anti-Catholics hijacked him and tried to take him for themselves, but if anyone just studies Luther's writings, they'd be introduced to the beauty and truth of The Catholic Church.
The anti-Catholics lied about Luther to make him seem something he never was. Martin Luther died a Catholic. He never renounced his faith. Never.
Martin Luther was one of her greatest defenders...here's what he said about how she was specially favored by God:
"St, Peter and St. Paul, forty-six Popes, some hundreds of thousands of martyrs, have laid down their lives in its communion, having overcome Hell and the world; so that the eyes of God rest on the Roman church with special favor. "
|
|
|
|
Post by Cepha on Jun 22, 2008 21:19:29 GMT -5
Every person is responsible for their own sin.
If they allowed themselves to be misled, then that is their fate.
Now, if they had followed The Church instead of men, they'd be ok.
But when they placed their faith in men when their actions contradicted scripture, they alone are responsible for their fate.
And that goes for anybody "outside" of The Church as well.
|
|
|
|
Post by Cepha on Jun 24, 2008 12:07:00 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by righteousone on Jun 24, 2008 14:21:48 GMT -5
Hi ya Cepha---------------------- When I asked about the seven churches in revelation you said that the catholic church was the church at Philadelphia------who were the other six and where are they now? much love-----------------knuckle The Seven Churches ARE ALL the Catholic church since that was the only church in those days. |
|
|
|
Post by Cepha on Jun 24, 2008 14:30:24 GMT -5
Hi ya Cepha---------------------- When I asked about the seven churches in revelation you said that the catholic church was the church at Philadelphia------who were the other six and where are they now? much love-----------------knuckle The Seven Churches ARE ALL the Catholic church since that was the only church in those days. R1, That passage in Revelaton is talking about a future prophecy. This judgement hasn't happened yet. The Church at Philadelphia is The Catholic Church because it is the loyal one that withstood the tests and which Jesus promised would be here upon His return. |
|
|
|
Post by alfie on Jun 24, 2008 17:14:17 GMT -5
Every person is responsible for their own sin. If they allowed themselves to be misled, then that is their fate. Now, if they had followed The Church instead of men, they'd be ok. But when they placed their faith in men when their actions contradicted scripture, they alone are responsible for their fate. And that goes for anybody "outside" of The Church as well. And just how would these people know what the true gospel was if they didn't hear it from their leaders? |
|
|
|
Post by Cepha on Jun 24, 2008 17:49:05 GMT -5
Every person is responsible for their own sin. If they allowed themselves to be misled, then that is their fate. Now, if they had followed The Church instead of men, they'd be ok. But when they placed their faith in men when their actions contradicted scripture, they alone are responsible for their fate. And that goes for anybody "outside" of The Church as well. And just how would these people know what the true gospel was if they didn't hear it from their leaders? How would they know? They would know because The Word of God is written accurately on every man's heart. There is no excuse for one being misled or for one being led into falsehood. If they hear something that is wrong and it sounds right to them, then their hearts are wrong. If they hear something that is wrong and refuse it, then their hearts are right. When a Catholic states that abortion or divorce is okay, then they are 100% wrong. Neither are. Yet, they still believe that they are right (even though they are wrong). Their hearts are corrupted. Same goes for any other religious group. Just because they are members of The Catholic Church, this doesn't automatically make them correct in everything they believe and certainly on things they believe that The Church teaches against. For example, if there is an Atheist who says that abortion & divorce are wrong for whatever reason, they are more right and in accordance with God on those issues than the person who is a Believer who says that abortion & divorces is okay. There's a fine example in The Parable of The Samaritan who didn't believe in God, yet Jesus used their actions to show those who professed to believe in God how they should act. Why? Because The Samaritan did the right thing while The Believers didn't do the right thing. This is clarified in Romans 2. There simply is no excuse for doing the wrong thing or for believing in the wrong Gospel. If you allow yourself to be fooled, then you will pay the price because ultimately, no one needs to even now The Gospel to be saved. Your judgement is determined on how you live your life. That is, according to The Bible. We have a saying, that a good Protestant is better than a bad Catholic anyday. We aren't supposed to follow men, but we are supposed to follow ordained Priests (Jesus separates the office of The Priesthood from ordinary men). Even over that, because The Holy Spirit's guidance is infallible, The Church that it guides can be trusted as "the pillar of truth".  |
|
|
|
Post by teresahrc on Jul 6, 2008 17:56:57 GMT -5
"Corrupt is an understatement. Do you realize that millions of people are in hell today because of the Catholic heirarchy? May our "Lord" have mercy on their souls. "
Dude. Are you for real? How do you know who is in Hell? Who are these "millions of people" in hell because of the "Catholic heirarchy" and how did the Catholic heirarchy send them there? Did everyone go to hell when there was only the Catholic Church?
teresa
|
|
|
|
Post by Cepha on Jul 6, 2008 18:13:42 GMT -5
Did everyone go to hell when there was only the Catholic Church? teresa Outstanding question. ;D |
|
|
|
Post by Ramon on Jul 6, 2008 23:47:41 GMT -5
Interesting. The most amazing thing I have discovered about Martin Luther is that he was not really Anti-Catholic. He believe the Bread and Wine was the Body of Christ [although in a different understanding than Orthodox/Catholics], in Infant Baptism, Baptismal Regeneration, in the intercession of the Saints/Angels in Heaven especially in the Theotokos, in the Assumption of the Theotokos, in the Ever-Virginity of the Theotokos, etc. All of which was believe by the Early Church, but now there are rejected by the majority of Protestant Churches. All Martin Luther wanted to do was to Reform the Catholic Church. I do not believe he wanted to start a whole new religion and be the leader of it. He simply wanted a reform, but his ways cause more splits and tears to the Body of Christ. Blessings, Ramon |
|
