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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Aug 17, 2008 16:48:49 GMT -5
No he banned him for being disrespectful, much like of his kind!
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Post by teresahrc on Sept 15, 2008 14:20:55 GMT -5
The craziest things I've heard a Christian say:
"I don't believe in the Trinity"
"I wish I were wearing all silk right now" (my husband said that)
"I jumped off a 100 foot cliff once. It hurt." (my husband)
"Just think of me as one of the girls" (my husband, at work!)
teresa
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Post by mrstain on Jun 9, 2009 20:55:50 GMT -5
Rev. Katherine Ragsdale, president of Episcopal Divinity School, referring to George Tiller the murdering abortionist - “This is about the loss of a man who was a saint and a martyr,”
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Post by watchman on Jun 9, 2009 21:09:03 GMT -5
salvation is "not" a gift, but is conditional. It must be bartered for. One must provide something in order to receive it. A "trade". This....lol. Salvation is a gift, but it is also conditional, one must first receive it and then hold on to it until death. ;D |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 9, 2009 21:13:47 GMT -5
Rev. Katherine Ragsdale, president of Episcopal Divinity School, referring to George Tiller the murdering abortionist - “This is about the loss of a man who was a saint and a martyr,” That's pretty crazy. |
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Post by watchman on Jun 9, 2009 21:18:09 GMT -5
Some of cepha other greatest hits....
#1God can lie.
#2 God's word is meaningless, because He might say one thing in scripture, but He could just decide to change His mind.
#3 There is salvation outside of faith in Christ.
#4 ''Reborn'' full fledge democrate.
#5 God had no idea Adam was going to sin.
#6 We are under the levitical Law unless we are specifically told differently in the New Testament.
#7 Foreknowledge = Predestination.
#8 There is no Millennium.
#9 Lot not Abraham bargained with God over Sodom.
#10 Anyone married to a Christian is automatically saved through the spouses relationship with Christ.
I could go on and on but I will leave it at that for now, but this is a good top 10 list....lol.
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 9, 2009 21:34:16 GMT -5
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 9, 2009 22:55:06 GMT -5
salvation is "not" a gift, but is conditional. It must be bartered for. One must provide something in order to receive it. A "trade". This....lol. Salvation is a gift, but it is also conditional, one must first receive it and then hold on to it until death. ;D Wait...why is that crazy? Didn't Jesus say that whoever wants to save his life will lose it and whoever loses his life for His sake will keep it eternally? that kinda sounds like a um...barter. |
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Post by watchman on Jun 9, 2009 22:59:47 GMT -5
This....lol. Salvation is a gift, but it is also conditional, one must first receive it and then hold on to it until death. ;D Wait...why is that crazy? Didn't Jesus say that whoever wants to save his life will lose it and whoever loses his life for His sake will keep it eternally? that kinda sounds like a um...barter. lol, the funny thing is cepha was being sarcastic you running to his aid, actually claim we must barter with Christ for salvation, now that is on the list of craziest thing I have ever heard. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.Salvation is a gift not to be bartered for. All we have to do is receive redemption, and if we are truly transformed we will gladly give God our lives in return. However it is not a free gift, it will cost us our lives if we are serious about making Christ Lord, but we need not barter with Him for Salvation. God has offered it to us all. |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 9, 2009 23:04:29 GMT -5
Ok, stop with that.
Yeah, and I will run to the aid of all the Catholics on here. Except CC doesn't usually need aid!
I just didn' t see that particular comment as being "crazy".
But, I do think we have to give ourselves to Him before He can transform us. So what? That is an exchange. Old life for New life.
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Post by watchman on Jun 9, 2009 23:09:35 GMT -5
Ok, stop with that. I debate him a lot too, and he does say a lot of crazy stuff. I just didn' t see that particular comment as being "crazy". But, I do think we have to give ourselves to Him before He can transform us. So what? I agree we must give our whole selves to God, but that is not a barter or purchasing salvation, it is out of love for Christ who has given Himself for us. |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 9, 2009 23:13:17 GMT -5
OK. a purchase is different from a barter though.
Jesus bore the penalty of our sins, and we get to have His life in us. Thank goodness
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Post by watchman on Jun 9, 2009 23:16:42 GMT -5
OK. a purchase is different from a barter though. Jesus bore the penalty of our sins, and we get to have His life in us. Thank goodness That is right we are the one purchased, purchased by the blood of Christ and we need not to barter for it, all we need to do is decide to receive it, and part of that decision is the decision to make Christ Lord and not just Savior, and in doing so we will of course have to die to self, but that is the fruit of salvation not he cost of it. The cost of Salvation was paid for by Christ on the Cross. |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 9, 2009 23:18:43 GMT -5
are you just arguing for the sake of arguing, or am I?
Even if we agreed on everything we would probably argue anyway. Sigh...
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Post by watchman on Jun 9, 2009 23:22:53 GMT -5
are you just arguing for the sake of arguing, or am I? Even if we agreed on everything we would probably argue anyway. Sigh... lol...I think we agree, form my side I think the idea we must barter with God for salvation is absurd. I think you would agree with me and were arguing just to argue, but that is O.K. we both agree that Christ died for us, and we have to die to self if we are really to give our lives fully to Him. |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 9, 2009 23:24:44 GMT -5
yeah. I guess I was just arguing for fun, but that's...well....kind of my hobby.
Sorry.
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Post by watchman on Jun 9, 2009 23:27:47 GMT -5
One last thought on the bartering deal, God doesn't barter He has set the rules and we must follow them. It is not like we can say God if you so this I will do that, NO, God told us the rules, if you believe and are baptized you will be saved. God said you must die to self and endure until the end. You are right Salvation is not free, but we cannot barter with God for it, we must obey His commandments if we are to receive salvation.
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Post by watchman on Jun 9, 2009 23:29:47 GMT -5
yeah. I guess I was just arguing for fun, but that's...well....kind of my hobby. Sorry. Yeah, mine to. I enjoy discussing things with you. The problem is sifting through all the other post to have a good discussion. |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 9, 2009 23:45:14 GMT -5
Hehe. Yeah, if we agreed on everything, we would have a really boring website here.
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 9, 2009 23:46:38 GMT -5
I think we should all spend our time studying for law school or something. There's gotta be a way to earn a living off of the obsessive need to debate!
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