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Post by Cepha on Jul 14, 2008 12:31:25 GMT -5
Cepha.... Nice site!! Picked up the link over on the "other site".... I think I may be spending some time here with y'all!! I'll even try to be "nice"... I know what you mean about the anti-Catholic sites... I've dealt with a few, and I've found that most of them are nonsense....a lot of postulating and noise making....but precious little substance. And as you have pointed out...for people claiming to be "Christians"....they sure are full of hate and anger. Have you ever been on that "Bereans" site....the one that seems to be based out of the Philippines? Got some real "sports" there.... Keep up the "Good Work!!" my Brother!!!! Welcome aboard! Read, and unload!  |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Aug 2, 2008 13:07:09 GMT -5
watchman what faith are you? JW?
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Aug 3, 2008 13:00:44 GMT -5
You still did not answer my question  Sorry, i do not know a lot about other faiths, im still learning about my own. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Aug 3, 2008 15:04:50 GMT -5
So i take it you dont go to church..?
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Post by Cepha on Aug 3, 2008 15:08:29 GMT -5
I am a Bible believing Christian, with no allegeance to any denomination, but to Jesus alone, just as I have previously stated. So you belong to the "Non-Denominational" denomination. |
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Post by Cepha on Aug 3, 2008 15:39:22 GMT -5
But that is the very definition of the word "denomination"... a separated member/group of a respective religion. You use The Christian Bible and have evolved your own beleifs based on your own personal interpretations of The Christian Bible. That makes you a denomination unto yourself. You are your own religious leader deciding for yourself what is worthy of belief and not according to (probably) how you believe God leads you, right? Do they know how you feel about them? Wasn't wondering at all. Non-Denominational means exactly that to me... non-denom. Even "if" you attend a denominational church. Your relationship with God is your own. That you call yourself a non-denom while attending a denom church is your business. I'm no one to judge. |
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Post by Cepha on Aug 3, 2008 16:14:01 GMT -5
Oh, yes they do know how I feel and how i believe. It's nice of them to let you in. Do you pay tithes there or contribute financially to their church? |
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Post by Cepha on Aug 3, 2008 16:15:18 GMT -5
Did "God" tell you that?
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Post by Cepha on Aug 3, 2008 22:02:15 GMT -5
The Bible tells me that, The Bile is God's Word, so in around about way, sure God told me that. So then, you place faith in a book? How do you know it's The Word of God? Because "it" tells you this? Or in another way, did you believe first then came to reading The Bible, or were you introduced to The Bible "then" came to believe? |
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Post by teresahrc on Aug 4, 2008 11:53:54 GMT -5
I am a former "all churches are corrupted, just me and Jesus Christian"
Until I discovered the beauty of Christ's Church which is literally his body.
Ephesians 5 25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.
29After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church— 30for we are members of his body. 31"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh."[c] 32This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church.
teresa
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Post by teresahrc on Aug 4, 2008 12:23:38 GMT -5
7I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God's grace given me through the working of his power. 8Although I am less than the least of all God's people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. 10His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, 11according to his eternal purpose which he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord. 12In him and through faith in him we may approach God with freedom and confidence. 13I ask you, therefore, not to be discouraged because of my sufferings for you, which are your glory.
Ephesians 3
teresa
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Post by Cepha on Aug 4, 2008 14:01:43 GMT -5
So then, you place faith in a book? How do you know it's The Word of God? Because "it" tells you this? Or in another way, did you believe first then came to reading The Bible, or were you introduced to The Bible "then" came to believe? I accepted Jesus as my Savior first, then started reading the Bible, and I know the Bible is God's Word the Same way I know Jesus is God. By the faith God has imparted into my heart. How did you accept Jesus first if you didn't read the Bible? How did you come to know about Jesus Christ without The Bible or without someone who used The Bible to tell you about Him?  (Oh yes, am I right to believe that you are saying that you had faith in Christ "first" without a Bible?) |
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Post by Cepha on Aug 4, 2008 14:56:21 GMT -5
How did you accept Jesus first if you didn't read the Bible? How did you come to know about Jesus Christ without The Bible or without someone who used The Bible to tell you about Him? (Oh yes, am I right to believe that you are saying that you had faith in Christ "first" without a Bible?) I am not quite sure what your point is supposed to be? Let me try to make this as simple as possible: How did you come to know about Jesus Christ and accept him as your personal Lord & Savior " without" The Holy Bible? |
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Post by Cepha on Aug 4, 2008 16:27:58 GMT -5
The same way I know the the Bible is the truly inspired word of God and is 100% correct. God gave me the faith to believe. So you were reading the Bible "before" you had faith, and God gave you the faith to believe in it? Then what you're saying is that that faith was a gift from God? That you didn't believe on your own? Then you're a robot (according to you). Right? You never had faith yourself...God manipulated you into believing without your consent. I mean, that is what you're telling me, right? |
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Post by Cepha on Aug 4, 2008 18:45:48 GMT -5
I never said any of that, I believe through faith and chose to accept it through choice. Accept "what"?  |
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Post by Cepha on Aug 4, 2008 22:35:12 GMT -5
Ummm, Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. What a stupid question. Ok, but how did you come to know Christ? The Bible? God? Which one came first "before" Christ? You say your faith, right? But, where did that faith come from? Did it just pop into your heart? |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Aug 4, 2008 23:16:47 GMT -5
Yeah, something had to lead you to the Bible, and that is the only way you can become so faithful to God. I think you are trying to argue something you either said wrong or you dont really believe yourself.
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Post by Cepha on Aug 4, 2008 23:28:52 GMT -5
Yeah, something had to lead you to the Bible, and that is the only way you can become so faithful to God. I think you are trying to argue something you either said wrong or you dont really believe yourself. Well, he said that he got "this" from The Bible: "The Holy spirit teaches me all things and leads me into all truths, the problem with the church today protestant and catholic, is that to many people believe what they are told to believe instead of studying scripture for themselves allowing God to reveal His pure truth to them."(page 2) He said that because it's in The Bible and The Bible is The Word of God, that it's God who told him. But I asked him how he knew that The Bible is The Word of God. "Who" was it that told him that. He still hasn't answered me. He responded to my inquiry with this (but as you will see, it doesn't answer my question): "I accepted Jesus as my Savior first, then started reading the Bible, and I know the Bible is God's Word the Same way I know Jesus is God. By the faith God has imparted into my heart."I asked him how did he come to know about Jesus if "not" through The Bible. |
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Post by knuckle on Aug 5, 2008 5:50:06 GMT -5
Hi Cepha----------------
1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
there is a hole in folks Bro.They can feel it.Some try to fill it with money,others with drink or drugs,some with pride,others with sex,some religion but nothing of this world of flesh can fill it.I see it all the time.
When a person finally realizes that they can't fix that hole themselves all they have to do is hear the name Jesus and they will run to him.Thats why some can read the bible forward backward upside down and sideways ,go to church six times a week and still never come to Christ and others who have never picked up a bible or heard about Jesus can hear a ten minute rant by a street preacher and the spirit of conviction fall on them like an avalanche----all according to the calling of God.
You are kind of razzing on watchman but I know exactly where he is coming from and though you may disagree with each on many things,the calling of God is irresistible and irrevocable.
Watchman,God calls Catholics too
I know this was set up to be an open debate board I get that but we must be very careful when discussion turns to salvation lest we grieve the Holy Ghost.For we are saved by Grace through Faith not of works (not our doctrine,not which church we attend not reading the bible) a gift of God and not of ourselves lest any man should boast.
much love to you all------------knuckle
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Post by Cepha on Aug 5, 2008 6:30:01 GMT -5
Actually, I was just kind of "asking" him a question. Where he gets that The Bible is The Word of God. Simple question which deteriorated into a chicken and egg exchange because he just wouldn't give a straight answer. And still hasn't. If you ask him for a letter, he responds with a number. If you ask him for a number, he responds with a letter. If one is going to say something (whether it is a belief or an attack), then they darn well better be prepared to make a defense for it. Especially if they are claiming religious superiority over anyone and especially if they are insulting others. (And I will ride him as I am still riding him to defend his position that 3 verses from a passage in 1 Cor 15 prove The Rapture as "he" believes in it...yet he refuses to have a detailed review of those 3 verses and what they mean "in" the context of the passage from which they are taken from and I'll ride him for his proof that Satan created The Catholic Church.) The children of Satan (as he refers to us Catholics) will continue to expose his lies. |
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