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Post by Cepha on Aug 5, 2008 12:30:19 GMT -5
You are kind of razzing on watchman but I know exactly where he is coming from and though you may disagree with each on many things,the calling of God is irresistible and irrevocable. Watchman,God calls Catholics too Knuckles thank you for your concern, but the lie hates the truth and darkness hates light, if I were accepted then I would be concerned about what I was doing or saying wrong. And yes I know that God calls catholics, He calls us all. Well, you better heed that call and stop lieing about The Catholic Church. Pretty words don't conceal lies that quickly Watchman (or is it KnightWatchman?). |
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Post by Cepha on Aug 5, 2008 12:37:04 GMT -5
The children of Satan (as he refers to us Catholics) will continue to expose his lies. I am sure there are plenty of nice people in the catholic church, and some of them are truly saved. It is the organisation itself the religion of catholicism that is evil, as are most of the protestant denominations that have been corrupted by false doctrine and personal greed, not any individual. How can Satan "truly" save anyone? If they were truly saved according to you, then they couldn't be "in" a Satanic church. You make no sense...especially in your attempts at backtracking. You sad "Catholics" are the children of Satan. That's Catholics themselves. And there you go again...ok, or the 3rd time, prove what you say?  |
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Post by Cepha on Aug 5, 2008 12:38:08 GMT -5
Especially if they are claiming religious superiority over anyone and especially if they are insulting others. I am not superior to anyone in any way, I am was a drug addict that was saved by the grace of God and blood of Christ, but I know what the bible says and the holy Spirit has taught me what it means. Which one came first for you? The Holy Spirit? Or The Bible? |
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Post by Cepha on Aug 5, 2008 12:42:49 GMT -5
I have explained 1st Corinthians to you many time in great detail, you keep ignoring my post and asking the same question over and over, matter of fact I have answered it one more time anyone is free to go to the debate board pretrib vs posttrib rapture read the last post or all of them and you will see I have indeed answered his question Wrong. If that were true, you'd just easily find it by going back to your own posts and direct me to where we discussed your 3 verses out of the entire chapter and what it meant in the context of the entire passage. Guess what, you still can. All you have to do is copy & post your own text where we discussed the entire chapter of 1 Cor 15 to discern the meaning of the 3 verses you chose to use to prove your beliefs regarding the Rapture. Still waiting...  |
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Post by Cepha on Aug 5, 2008 12:53:29 GMT -5
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Post by Cepha on Aug 5, 2008 13:09:37 GMT -5
Ahhh! The halo has fallen off! See? I knew if I pushed you enough, I'd get you to reveal your true colors (again!).  No you cannot start at verse 51 to get the context of the passage. One must begin at the start to get an understanding of what 51 means. Hey! Wait a minute! I just got you to admit it! You just chopped up scripture and stated that the prior verses aren't needed to prove your beliefs!  |
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Post by Cepha on Aug 5, 2008 13:11:47 GMT -5
I have answered you question, over and over, you just don't get it,I have ''ALWAYS KNOWN ABOUT JESUS'' I accept himas my Savior b4 I started reading the Bible, What else do you want to know? No, that's the first time you said that. So, you knew about Jesus since you were born? Is that what you're implying? That you were never taught about Jesus? |
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Post by Cepha on Aug 5, 2008 13:12:44 GMT -5
I am watching for the night so I can warned God's people and it is coming quickly, it is closer than ever. Oh oh folks, we have a prophet in our midst! |
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Post by teresahrc on Aug 5, 2008 13:12:54 GMT -5
Omy goodness people! Your debating has gone sour! If I was your mothers I would put you in time out right now! Seriously.
teresa
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Post by Cepha on Aug 5, 2008 13:13:27 GMT -5
But I'd get in the last hit!
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Post by Cepha on Aug 5, 2008 13:15:46 GMT -5
Hey, don't blame me...he's the one calling me insulting names and calling us Satan's children and saying that Jesus' Church was started by Satan (and not Christ). All I'm doing is being "Paulish" about mine. (I wouldn't have lasted 3 days in The Roman times with my mouth! ) |
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Post by Cepha on Aug 5, 2008 13:18:53 GMT -5
The children of Satan (as he refers to us Catholics) will continue to expose his lies. I am sure there are plenty of nice people in the catholic church, and some of them are truly saved. It is the organisation itself the religion of catholicism that is evil, as are most of the protestant denominations that have been corrupted by false doctrine and personal greed, not any individual. See? That's precisely what Jesus warned us about...those who talk out of both sides of their mouths. Talking nice about us with one tongue, yet believing in their hearts something contradictory to their words (as is evidenced in his posts here). All you have to do is keep them talking and they reveal themselves. Say the right words to them, and they spill their guts. Like he did a few posts after this one and as he did in many posts before this one.
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Post by Cepha on Aug 5, 2008 13:24:33 GMT -5
You must be retarded You can start with verse 51 of 1st cor 15 and read through verse 53 or you can start with verse 20 or with verse 1 in will not change the fact that the Bible clearly says in 1st Corinthians 15 verses 52&53 that the dead will be raised incorruptible and we (the living) shall be change into immortals. 1st Corinthians 15:53 For this corruption must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.No amount of spin, context, or religious teaching can change what the Bible teaches. 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. 3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. 6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep. 7 After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. 8 Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. 11 Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed. The Risen Christ, Our Hope 12 Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen. 14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. 15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise. 16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. 17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! 18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable. The Last Enemy Destroyed 20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted.
28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
Effects of Denying the Resurrection
29 Otherwise, what will they do who are baptized for the dead, if the dead do not rise at all? Why then are they baptized for the dead?
30 And why do we stand in jeopardy every hour?
31 I affirm, by the boasting in you which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
32 If, in the manner of men, I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantage is it to me? If the dead do not rise, “Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die!”
33 Do not be deceived: “Evil company corrupts good habits.”
34 Awake to righteousness, and do not sin; for some do not have the knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame.
A Glorious Body
35 But someone will say, “How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?”
36 Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies.
37 And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain—perhaps wheat or some other grain.
38 But God gives it a body as He pleases, and to each seed its own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh[c] of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption.
43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power.
44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.”[d] The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.
47 The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord[e] from heaven.
48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear[f] the image of the heavenly Man.
Our Final Victory
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”[g]
55 “ O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?”
56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable,
always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.
There is no question what is being said here, we know that if Christ died and rose again so will we be resurrected, but every man in his own order first was Christ, then we that belong to christ when He return, also is shown that there are different types of flesh two of the types are terrestial (earthy) and celestial (heavenly). The bible says here they we have born the earthly body and will bear the heavenly body. Further more it says that those that are in Christ that are still living at his return although they can not be resurrected because they are not dead will too be changed into heavenly immortal bodies at the resurrection of the just, when Christ returns.That's not how one does a study on a passage. Let us begin at the beginning. And we work are way down verse by verse (so that there is no excuse or misinterpretation). So, it seems that you couldn't find anywhere where we discussed the entire chapter of 1 Cor 15 (as I accused you of all along rightfully so). And, this shows you lied when you said you addressed my queries. But anyway, I've managed to get you here, let us begin: |
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Post by Cepha on Aug 5, 2008 13:27:02 GMT -5
1 Corinthians 15
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
Here, Pau is addressing fellow Christians. They have already been evangelized as seen in is past tense usage of the words. Supposedly, they are in accordance with his teachings.
Do we agree as to what verse 1 means?
If yes, we can go on to Verse 2.
If not, we can debate it's meaning.
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Post by teresahrc on Aug 5, 2008 13:28:19 GMT -5
Watchman, I too have read the Bible many times. I had the same experience when I was a protestant because different Churches I went to contradicted each other.
The only problem is that we can't assume that our interpretation of Scripture is correct esp. if it dissagrees with what all the other "Spirit filled" Christians have come up with. If all are being led by the Spirit, then how are they coming up with contradictory teachings? And then, how can you trust your own view? There have been many cults started by people who were very knowledgeable about the Bible. Joseph Smith had the same problem. He saw all the Baptists, Methodist, etc. arguining with each other and he didn't know what church to go to. Supposedly, he prayed and asked God to give him wisdom, and God told him "they are all corrupt". Okay, but then after that Joseph Smith started his own religion which is quite pagan with 3 gods and all kinds of other stuff.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that even Satan knows scripture back and forth! If we think that we are safe from error because we have found all the "correct" views, then we are already easy prey and full of pride. This is what happened to me. I never found spiritual rest that way because I was constantly trying to "figure out" the Bible and trying to find a Church that fit what I thought I had figured out.
Thank God for the Catholic Church, because now I can rest and trust in the Church just as a Child rests on its mother's lap. I used to hate what I saw as the "church", but now the Church is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen because she is truly Christ's body.
peace
teresa
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Post by Cepha on Aug 5, 2008 13:28:39 GMT -5
Hey, don't blame me...he's the one calling me insulting names and calling us Satan's children and saying that Jesus' Church was started by Satan (and not Christ). All I'm doing is being "Paulish" about mine. (I wouldn't have lasted 3 days in The Roman times with my mouth! ) You are retarded, you have proven that many times over and you are a child off satan, not necassaraly all catholics, but deffently you are. Again you lie. First you said Catholics are the children of Satan, now, you're backtracking. Ok. No problem. Now let's get back to the scriptural study...(it only took me about a week to get you here)... |
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Post by Cepha on Aug 5, 2008 13:30:43 GMT -5
Watchman, I too have read the Bible many times. I had the same experience when I was a protestant because different Churches I went to contradicted each other. The only problem is that we can't assume that our interpretation of Scripture is correct esp. if it dissagrees with what all the other "Spirit filled" Christians have come up with. If all are being led by the Spirit, then how are they coming up with contradictory teachings? And then, how can you trust your own view? There have been many cults started by people who were very knowledgeable about the Bible. Joseph Smith had the same problem. He saw all the Baptists, Methodist, etc. arguining with each other and he didn't know what church to go to. Supposedly, he prayed and asked God to give him wisdom, and God told him "they are all corrupt". Okay, but then after that Joseph Smith started his own religion which is quite pagan with 3 gods and all kinds of other stuff. I guess what I'm trying to say is that even Satan knows scripture back and forth! If we think that we are safe from error because we have found all the "correct" views, then we are already easy prey and full of pride. This is what happened to me. I never found spiritual rest that way because I was constantly trying to "figure out" the Bible and trying to find a Church that fit what I thought I had figured out. Thank God for the Catholic Church, because now I can rest and trust in the Church just as a Child rests on its mother's lap. I used to hate what I saw as the "church", but now the Church is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen because she is truly Christ's body. peace teresa 2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. But allow he and I to continue with our scripture study T!  |
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Post by Cepha on Aug 5, 2008 13:31:31 GMT -5
Check out the islam board, on the muslim vs baptist thread, He (cepha), is saying that you can get to heaven with out going through Jesus Christ. Only a child of Satan would say such things calling Jesus himself as well as Peter liars. Acts 16:30-31 30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved. 31 And they said, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be saved. Your man Peter says that Jesus is the only was way to salvation, of any regardless of your faith, this is an unqualifitory statement. Acts 4:12 Neither is their salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. And Jesus clearly states that who ever denies Him will themselves be denied by Him. Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him I will also deny before my Father which is in heaven. The only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ, the Son of God, Savior of the world. Now that we begun our scripture study, let's not get off topic. Again, 1 Cor 15 verse 1.... ...your response? |
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Post by teresahrc on Aug 5, 2008 13:33:02 GMT -5
Can you stop with the word "retarded"? My niece has severe autism and my husband is at this very moment getting paid minimum wage because he chose to work at a home for disabled adults, many of whom are "retarded".
thanks
teresa
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Post by Cepha on Aug 5, 2008 13:33:24 GMT -5
Yesterday at 9:07pm, watchman wrote: I may be mistaking, but are any of you saying that a muslim can get to heaven without confession Christ as the Son of God? His death on the cross and resurrection on the third day? cepha's answer Yes. Oh oh folks! He's running from the debate! He's trying to change the topic of conversation! Come on now, if your faith is true, this should be a breeze for you... Now that we begun our scripture study, let's not get off topic. Again, 1 Cor 15 verse 1.... ...your response? |
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I told you...I'm imperfect.). 