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Post by redsoxfan on May 25, 2008 21:03:50 GMT -5
The republican take over was in 94. Minus 6 more years of the clinton regime. That brings us to 2001. When did the conservatives have control of the Supreme Court?
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Post by redsoxfan on May 25, 2008 21:05:29 GMT -5
I would like to add that they did at least get the ban on partial birth abortions in 2006-7 (?).
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Post by Cepha on May 25, 2008 21:45:26 GMT -5
The republican take over was in 94. Minus 6 more years of the clinton regime. That brings us to 2001. When did the conservatives have control of the Supreme Court? The Republicans have held both the house and senate since Clinton. Right? That's what? 14 years, right? Supposedly, there are currently 4 Liberals and 4 Conservatives with 1 Moderate swing voter; But that is considered a "myth" by some radicals. There are 5 Catholics on The SC: Justice Affiliation John Roberts Catholic Stephen G. Breyer Jewish Ruth Bader Ginsburg Jewish Anthony M. Kennedy Catholic Antonin Scalia Catholic David H. Souter Episcopalian John Paul Stevens Protestant Clarence Thomas Catholic
Samuel Alito Catholic That is...according to this article I Googled: "The Myth of Balance Between Left and Right holds that the Court has a "liberal wing," consisting of Justices John Paul Stevens, David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and Stephen Breyer, and a "conservative wing," consisting of Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Antonin Scalia, Samuel Alito, and Clarence Thomas. Justice Anthony Kennedy is the swing vote, the "moderate.""meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/09/how_conservative_is_the_suprem.phpSo, with a 1/2+ majority over liberals and with 14 years of Rebuplican house/senate rule, why hasn't abortion been abolished? |
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Post by Cepha on May 25, 2008 21:47:46 GMT -5
I would like to add that they did at least get the ban on partial birth abortions in 2006-7 (?). Funny, but under Clinton, abortions actually went down. Under Bush & his crew in the house and senate, they've gone up to record levels.  Abortions Decreased Under Clinton Increased Under Bush 52,000 more abortions under Bush than under Clinton, reversing a ten-year trend that had resulted in a 17.4% decline in abortions. www.metafilter.com/36270/Abortions-Decreased-Under-Clinton-Increased-Under-Bush |
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Post by redsoxfan on May 27, 2008 10:59:14 GMT -5
I wouldn't stress out to much about it. Bush is still right on this one and statistics can be manipulated. That tells us more about where society is headed than it does about how well bush's policies work.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on May 27, 2008 11:13:14 GMT -5
I think its funny how everyone blames somebody for individuals problems. You cant blaim the president for increase in Abortions or Decrease. It starts at home and it is a personal decision.
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Post by alfie on May 27, 2008 15:30:11 GMT -5
I would like to add that they did at least get the ban on partial birth abortions in 2006-7 (?). Funny, but under Clinton, abortions actually went down. Under Bush & his crew in the house and senate, they've gone up to record levels. Abortions Decreased Under Clinton Increased Under Bush 52,000 more abortions under Bush than under Clinton, reversing a ten-year trend that had resulted in a 17.4% decline in abortions. www.metafilter.com/36270/Abortions-Decreased-Under-Clinton-Increased-Under-BushI beg your pardon...but it was the Democrats who legalized abortion... not the Republicans. |
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Post by Cepha on May 27, 2008 16:13:33 GMT -5
I beg your pardon...but it was the Democrats who legalized abortion... not the Republicans. LOL! Prove it! The Supreme Court is Republican! LOL! And abortion was legalized under a "Republican" President (remember? your beloved Nixon? 1973?). |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on May 27, 2008 17:25:43 GMT -5
Hmm... lets see...
Since 1995, led by Congressional Republicans, the U.S. House of Representatives and U.S. Senate have moved several times to pass measures banning the procedure of intact dilation and extraction, also commonly known as partial birth abortion. After several long and emotional debates on the issue, such measures passed twice by wide margins, but President Bill Clinton vetoed those bills in April 1996 and October 1997 on the grounds that they did not include health exceptions. Congressional supporters of the bill argue that a health exception would render the bill unenforceable, since the Doe v. Bolton decision defined "health" in vague terms, justifying any motive for obtaining an abortion. Subsequent Congressional attempts at overriding the veto were unsuccessful.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on May 27, 2008 17:26:13 GMT -5
Also... ;D Though members of both major political parties come down on either side of the issue, the Republican Party is often seen as being pro-life, since the official party platform recognizes the right of the unborn child to life. Republicans for Choice represents the minority of that party. The Democratic Party platform considers abortion to be a woman's right. Democrats for Life of America represents the minority of that party. In 2006 pollsters found that 74% of Democrats favor the availability of abortion in most circumstances.[1] However, in 2004, forty-three percent (43%) of all Democrats believed that abortion "destroys a human life and is manslaughter."[30] Of Democratic National Convention delegates 64% believed that abortion should be generally available while only 37% of all Democratic voters believed that it should be generally available.[2] The same poll showed that more than half of Democratic voters believed that abortion should be generally available or available with some restrictions, however. The US Green Party supports abortion as a woman's right. The US Libertarian Party officially supports abortion as a right, though there is a division on the issue among members. The Party, though, opposes any government funding of abortion. In the United States the abortion issue has become deeply politicized: in 2002, 84% of state Democratic platforms supported abortion while 88% of state Republican platforms opposed it. This divergence also led to Christian Right organizations like Christian Voice, Christian Coalition and Moral Majority having an increasingly strong role in the Republican Party. This opposition has been extended under the Foreign Assistance Act: in 1973 Jesse Helms introduced an amendment banning the use of aid money to promote abortion overseas, and in 1984 the Mexico City Policy prohibited financial support to any overseas organization that performed or promoted abortions. The "Mexico City Policy" was revoked by President Bill Clinton and subsequently reinstated by President George W. Bush. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by Cepha on May 27, 2008 18:15:38 GMT -5
See that?
If the Republicans never legalized it,
Clinton couldn't have vetoed it.
Besides, under Clinton, abortion dropped.
Under Bush, it rose to record levels.
Under Democrats, it began to go down.
Under Republicans, it was legalized and it flourished.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on May 27, 2008 19:35:07 GMT -5
Cepha, are you going to argue with wikipedia on the facts that republicans are prolife and the Democrats are not, being a Catholic in good faith...you are not acting like one...
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Post by Cepha on May 27, 2008 20:33:16 GMT -5
Cepha, are you going to argue with wikipedia on the facts that republicans are prolife and the Democrats are not, being a Catholic in good faith...you are not acting like one... Absolutely not. But, the stats don't lie. Abortion has gone up under the Republicans and down under the Democrats. It was under a Republican Prestident that abortion was legalized. That's a prime example of a group professing to be something, yet not doing anything. You can claim to be prolife all you want, but what laws have you passed with a conservatice Supreme Court, a Republican President, a Republican Congress and a Republican Senate? They had almost 8 years to stop it. They didn't. As a politician, I could scream all I want that I'm anti-illegal immigration, but if I don't do anything to stop it, all I'm doing is talking for votes. Same exact deal with abortion. What someone calls themselves and what they actually do are two different things CC. Have the Republican Senate/Congress/President, in the 7 years that they controlled all three parts of government ever introduce a bill to ban abortion to a Conservative Supreme Court with 5 Catholics on it? No. And that is a fact. And this has nothing to do with my being a Catholic in good faith. When you can answer me why the Republicans, when they controlled the Senate/Congress/Presidency/Supreme Court didn't wipe out abortion, then you can begin to question my faith. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on May 27, 2008 20:54:30 GMT -5
Cepha, what i am saying is that you are talking like you are a democrat when the democrates are FOR gay rights, gay marriage, and abortion. It just suprises me that the things in life that you are against, you are kinda for too.
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Post by Cepha on May 27, 2008 22:13:45 GMT -5
Cepha, what i am saying is that you are talking like you are a democrat when the democrates are FOR gay rights, gay marriage, and abortion. It just suprises me that the things in life that you are against, you are kinda for too. LOL! Check "THIS" out: online.logcabin.org/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craigen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_FoleyRep. Gov. Schwarzenegger vows to fight constitutional ban on gay marriage; www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/10/05/gay.marriage/index.htmlPuh-leeze! Now, who legalized Abortion again? Republicans. Under who did Abortions come down? A Democrat. Under who did Abortions go up? A Republican. The facts speak for themselves...I used to be a Republican until their hypocrasy just made me sick. They are the party of The Rich, The friends of Saudi Arabia, Big Oil and War Contractors. Under them, we've been screwed to death. The record speaks for itself. I am not for gay anything...that's their business between them and God. Not my place to judge, to restrict or to impose. You need to remember Matthew 7 and remember it well because one day, you're going to be judged based on how you judge others. Just take a look at those sites I listed and then preach to me about your ant-gay Republicans. Oh, but wait...there's more, like Bush's Gay Pastor and Evalelical Advisor! www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/03/haggard.allegations/index.htmlOr The Republican Party's Gay Chairman/Bush's Campaign Manager Ken Mellman! newsbusters.org/node/8980(LOL! You trust those guys...right?) Or, White House Reporter/Gay Male Escort (Prostitute) Republican Jeff Gannon! www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27730-2005Feb15.htmlOh man, there are just too many! LOL! Bob Allen Member of the Florida House of Representatives www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-allen1307jul13,0,5667267.story Glenn Murphy Jr. National Chairman of the Young Republicans www.news-tribune.net/breakingnews/local_story_219210228.htmlLet me know what you think of those "good 'ol boys!: LOL!  |
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Post by Cepha on May 27, 2008 22:21:16 GMT -5
THE MOST CORRUPT ADMINISTRATION IN U.S. HISTORY... citizensforethics.org/node/27182The 25 Most Corrupt Members of the Bush Administration are: Claude Allen, White House Eric Andell, U.S. Department of Education Margaret Burnette, Food and Drug Administration Lester Crawford, Food and Drug Administration Lurita Doan, General Services Administration Brian Doyle, U.S. Department of Homeland Security Darleen Druyun, U.S. Air Force Frank Figueroa, U.S. Department of Homeland Security Kyle "Dusty" Foggo, Central Intelligence Agency J. Steven Griles, U.S. Department of the Interior Andrea Grimsley, U.S. Department of Homeland Security Donald Keyser, U.S. Department of State John Korsmo, Federal Housing Finance Board Kevin Marlowe, U.S. Department of Defense Jose Miranda, Broadcasting Board of Governors William Myers, U.S. Department of Interior Janet Rehnquist, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services David Safavian, White House and General Services Administration Robert Schofield, U.S. Department of Homeland Security Thomas Scully, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services David Smith, Department of Interior Jeffrey Stayton, U.S. Department of the Army Robert Stein, Coalition Provisional Authority Roger Stillwell, U.S. Department of the Interior Kenneth Tomlinson, Corporation for Public Broadcasting |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on May 28, 2008 14:32:09 GMT -5
You know what, i want a dem to get into office just to show you that stuff ;D will still happen and then who you going to blame?
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Post by Cepha on May 28, 2008 14:52:51 GMT -5
You know what, i want a dem to get into office just to show you that shit will still happen and then who you going to blame? Come on now...you know better than cursing. You're a Moderator here. I'll let you Moderate yourself. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And, the last time we had Dems in The White House, remember what happened? Allow me to refresh your memory of the good old days (you were like what? 10 years old when he was elected?): The Economy President During Bill Clinton’s eight years as President he turned a 135 Billion Dollar Bush Sr. deficit into a 526 Billion Dollar Surplus.
Under Clintonomics the US Dollar rose over 20 percent.
President Clinton reduced the National Debt and presided over a 240 percent rise in the US Stock Market.
Clinton's strong fiscal discipline encouraged foreigners to invest in the US and the US prospered.
After seven years of Bush's economic policy's we're broke.
We no longer deal with foreigners from a position of strength.www.usweekly.com/president-clinton.htmAnd that was bad...why? |
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Post by Cepha on May 28, 2008 14:57:36 GMT -5
Bush's legacy? We're currently borrowing 100 Millioin Dollars a month from Communist China to fund "his" war. Know who else we are indebted to? Mexico, UK, Brazil, Venezuela, Japan, France, Germany, Middle east UAE and Saudi Arabia.  |
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Post by knuckle on May 28, 2008 20:32:44 GMT -5
Much of the successful economy accredited to Clinton were trickle downs Ronnie started----Trickle down works put it is just so slow
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