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Post by Cepha on Mar 24, 2008 17:41:06 GMT -5
Who "wrote" The Holy Bible?  |
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Post by righteousone on Mar 25, 2008 17:38:29 GMT -5
The bible was inspired by the Holy Spirit, written by men of apostle or evangelist. The Catholic church compiled the books as we have them today. If it weren't for the Catholic church, you wouldn't have your bible, there would be no christianity, and we wouldn't have these forums.
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Post by Cepha on Mar 25, 2008 21:03:29 GMT -5
So what you're saying is, The Holy Bible didn't fall out of the sky as a written book? It was written "physically" by mortal men! Gasp!  (Just priming the conversatioin folks! ;D ) |
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Post by emily445455 on Mar 26, 2008 12:30:46 GMT -5
God wrote it by human hands.
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Post by Cepha on Mar 26, 2008 15:37:39 GMT -5
God wrote it by human hands. Very good.  Now...who did God choose to reveal "what" books were to be considered the New Testament Canon? The Gospel? We can know this by finding out when The New Testament was canonized (authoritatively confirmed). |
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Post by emily445455 on Mar 26, 2008 17:20:47 GMT -5
Wait...what?
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Post by Cepha on Mar 26, 2008 23:52:01 GMT -5
 When was the first New Testament produced by The Church?
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Post by righteousone on Mar 28, 2008 13:10:53 GMT -5
It is a fact of history that the council of Carthage, which was held in 397 A.D. mainly through the influence of St. Augustine, settld the canon or collection of New Testament Scriptures as we Catholics have them now, and decreed its decision should be sent on to Rome for confirmation.
No Council was ever considered to be authoritative or binding unless it was approved and confirmed by the Roman Pontiff.
The Council of Carthage then, is the first known to us in which we find a clear and undisputed catalogue of all the New Testament books as we have them in bibles now.
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Post by emily445455 on Mar 28, 2008 13:31:41 GMT -5
Cepha, I have no idea.
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Post by I.M.Apologetics on Apr 2, 2008 0:51:54 GMT -5
This is why you first go to cheap sources like Wikipedia, that though not scholarly and often defamed as "not reliable", and do a quick study! Then as you begin to be familiar with all this, you begin to look into better and more authoritative sources, finally one day you hope to go to scholars and study it more in depth. This is my hope. --- Also, know that studying these things will by no means lead you away from Christ. On the contrary, you will see God's hand evident in history, you will see the guidance of the Holy Spirit after seeing the great struggle the early Church had in compiling the Scriptures! And neither do you have to fear becoming Roman Catholic just by studying this. Most prominent scholars out there are Anglican, though there are also other Evangelical and Protestants, as well as many Catholics and some Eastern Orthodox. You may even read a little bit from different perspectives, see where we all agree. It truly is amazing. I would recommend Protestant scholar John Schaff, not because I think he is accurate when he speaks of Roman Catholic doctrine, but because he is authoritative, he has good evidence on what he says, and because you would sympathize with him for his non-Roman-Catholic approach at Church history. Pax Christi! |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 2, 2008 7:18:16 GMT -5
Maybe a better way to put it is: I don't care, lol. I believe God made all the book that were suppost to be in the Bible in there, by whatever means.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 2, 2008 13:10:20 GMT -5
yeah, because "not caring" is the way to go  |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 2, 2008 13:48:00 GMT -5
I care very much about the Bible and the books therein...I just don't care how God got them there :-D If that makes sense.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 2, 2008 21:37:17 GMT -5
does it make sense? How did God get them there? Who did He choose?
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Post by I.M.Apologetics on Apr 3, 2008 0:48:56 GMT -5
I care very much about the Bible and the books therein...I just don't care how God got them there :-D If that makes sense. Good thing an atheist isn't reading this. It would give him yet another reason to reject the truths of Christianity and the Holy Scriptures. |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 3, 2008 7:39:28 GMT -5
Those who don't believe never will until God Saves them. As long as I clinge to the Bible and give them verses from it, I can plant seeds. Knowing exactly how the Bible was formed I don't think will help a non-believer believe it is the Word of God...it'll be just another book that people fought over way back when.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 4, 2008 9:46:09 GMT -5
Those who don't believe never will until God Saves them. As long as I clinge to the Bible and give them verses from it, I can plant seeds. Knowing exactly how the Bible was formed I don't think will help a non-believer believe it is the Word of God...it'll be just another book that people fought over way back when. You don't care that your King James Bible was canonized by a Pedophile Homosexual that maintained active sexual relationships with men and little boys? Do you think God would choose a man like that to "authorize" His Word? God uses repentant people, but not active sinners. You should care where The Bible comes from. Remember, even God made sure that His Word wouldn't be edited to meet man's standards when He stated through John that whoever should add or take away words from The Scripture would be damned to hell. So what does that say about how God feels about the KJV which did exactly that? Do you believe that the NIV is a "Bible" even though it's produced by the same corporation that produces The Satanic Bible? Isn't it important "where" the NIV comes from Emily? Or do you just "not" care since it was The Catholic Church that revealed The Word of God to the world?  |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 4, 2008 10:58:28 GMT -5
God uses sinners, so no, I don't care what kind of man ordered the translation of the KJV. I believe the NIV is a Bible. The CC kept the Word of God from the world for a long, long time  |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 4, 2008 11:18:42 GMT -5
Ok, then, if that's true, show me one instance where God used and unrepentant sinner to do His work. No doubt that it is "a" bible, but so is the Satanic Bible "a" bible. There is only one Bible for Christians and that's The Holy Bible and no man has the "authority" to "authorize" The Word of God. No man or king has the right to put His name on The Holy Bible. Really? What's your proof of that? It was The Catholic Church that spread The Gospel. It was The Catholic Church that Jesus created. It was The Catholic Church that actually created The Holy Bible, the began to distribute it once the printing press was created (by a Catholic). Where did you get this belief that The Catholic Church kept the Bible away from people? Didn't you know that that majority of The Word couldn't even read for about 1800 years after Jesus died? Didn't you know that "reading" was a luxury, that only the richest people were actually educated? Didn't you know that it took years to produce just "one" Bible because before the printing press was invented by a Catholic, all Bibles were written by hand by Catholic Monks? But I'll give you the chance to state where you got your beliefs from along with historical evidence to cite so that we can asses the truthfulness of your statement. I'm not calling you a lier, I'm just stating that what you just said is false and you were misindoctrinated. If it's true, then you should be able to cite secular sources (not religious sources) to prove this statement. |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 4, 2008 11:22:22 GMT -5
By the way...you contradicted yourself there.
You say God uses sinners, then say man ordered the translation of the KJV.
Which one is it? Did God order it or was it all King James who ordered it? Do you believe that God ordered King James to order it? If so, can you provide proof of this?
Also, did you know the great lie that this was the first English language bible?
The truth is that The Catholic Church produced the first English language Bible about 1,000 years "before" King James "ordered" it.
The first English Bible was produced in the 6th Century when The Church brought Christianity to England in the first place.
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When was the first New Testament produced by The Church? 
