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Post by Cepha on Aug 14, 2008 15:38:27 GMT -5
Place: CNN
Time: 8:00PM
Topic: Faith
Date: August 16, 2008
Day: Saturday
PARTICIPANTS:
Moderator:
Reverand Rick Warren of the Saddleback Church
(in my opinion, a fine Christian leader whom I personally have a great respect for).
Republican Presidential Candidate:
John Sidney McCain
Democratic Presidential Candidate:
Barack Hussein Obama
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NOTES:
This will be a live forum where the candidates will be asked questions from the perspective of a religion.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Aug 14, 2008 16:06:54 GMT -5
is this tonight or when
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Post by Cepha on Aug 14, 2008 17:11:28 GMT -5
Saturday Night.
Sorry!
Didn't include it!
It's in there now.
(I knew something was missing!)
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Aug 14, 2008 17:16:03 GMT -5
YAY Ive been waiting for some debates!
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Post by Cepha on Aug 14, 2008 17:29:08 GMT -5
YAY Ive been waiting for some debates! Obama is going to take McCain's lunch! ;D |
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Post by Cepha on Aug 16, 2008 20:13:33 GMT -5
Obama, surprisingly did great.
His responses seemed to draw a lot of support from the audience. Not a lot for "him", but a lot period.
He got to clear up his reputation from the lies that were being spread about him. That was excellent. Now there is no excuse for anybody "not" voting for him based on his "religion" (not that it should have been a point in an American society).
His answers were intelligent. They were well explained.
They were all about us coming together as a nation and he didn't have to tear down anybody else to talk about the greatness of our nation.
His answers were not from his normal speeches.
Outstanding. His answers were focused on the questions and were completely on topic without any attempt to push his own agenda.
Obama sounded like he was talking "to" me.
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Post by Cepha on Aug 16, 2008 20:26:08 GMT -5
McCain is on now.
Everything in the first 1/4 of the interview has been divisive, divisive, divisive.
He has this "us against them" attitude.
And again, he's bragging about his military record to show how much of a hero he was.
That is so unattractive to people in the military (when someone brags about their record).
He sure could use a healthy dose of "humility".
Everything he answers seems to be tied to his Vietnam experience.
One of his examples, he mentioned how a Vietnamese guard drew a cross in the dirt to show his Christianity. What he failed to mention "this time" was that this guard was a "Catholic" Christian. However, in front of a Catholic reporter, he mentioned that he was a "Catholic" Christian. In front of this non-Catholic Christian Protestant group, he conveniently leaves this fact out while touting it in front of the Catholic reporter.
Of course probably nobody else would've caught that, but I've been keeping my eye on McCain.
As expected, he's running his war/fear mongering M.O..
McCain sounded like he was giving one of his speeches.
He kept trying to hijack the discussion into his agenda while Pastor Warren fought with him for control of the exchange.
He was talking "at" me, not "to" me.
Interesting note on John McCain's lieing?
He literally voted for each Supreme Court Judge that he said that he wouldn't have appointed.
So, what does that tell you about his judgement or his integrity?
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Post by Cepha on Aug 16, 2008 21:00:47 GMT -5
The exchange is over. Well done. Rick Warren directly (twice) addressed the issue of a "civil" exchange between the two during the race. All I could think of was of John McCain's attack ads upon Barack Obama (which have been condemned by both Democrats and Republicans alike). Barack Obama has never aired false & lieing attack ads against John McCain misrepresenting his positions and policies and record. Unfortunately the two candidates didn't address each other directly, but at least Pastor Warren gave the men the opportunity to let the world know how they felt. Which, was good.  |
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Post by knuckle on Aug 17, 2008 20:42:12 GMT -5
it was a tough interview for both---- I think Obama came off more natural where McCain seemed to think about his answers more
I wonder how I would have viewed it if McCain had drawn first go? funny how the order can kind of tweak ones perception...
What question would you have asked them Cepha? Marcie?
any zingers you would have liked to seen pitched?
much love---------------knuckle
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Post by Cepha on Aug 17, 2008 21:22:17 GMT -5
it was a tough interview for both---- I think Obama came off more natural where McCain seemed to think about his answers more I wonder how I would have viewed it if McCain had drawn first go? funny how the order can kind of tweak ones perception... What question would you have asked them Cepha? Marcie? any zingers you would have liked to seen pitched? much love---------------knuckle I agree with you on everything (although it seemed harder on Obama). I would've nailed Obama on the abortion thing just to get it out of the way. I probably would've focused on abortion with him. That gets under my skin so bad. McCain didn't get pressed on Stem Cell Research at all. I could've missed it since I stepped away from the PC at times. Was he asked about it? And while he claimed to be pro-life, he didn't tell Pastor Warren that he is pro-choice in matters of incest, rape and doctor's suggestion. I would've nailed McCain on his 90% voting record with Bush and how he now disagrees with Bush on the things he agreed with him on before. Knowing what I know now? I would've asked him if he would'nt have chosen those judges he mentioned, why did he vote "for" them? ============================================= Productive questions? I would've asked Obama & McCain the same question: Will your faith influence your actions as President? To win the crowd, they'd say yes. But to truly be a nuetral President, the right answer would have to be no. I'd like to see how they would've handled that question. I think McCain would've said yes without missing a beat. Obama would've twitched a bit thinking of how to answer it no without insulting or alienating anybody. Neither answer would've been wrong. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Aug 17, 2008 21:44:34 GMT -5
You guys are going to be disappointed in me, but i MISSED IT! LOL I had a babysitter so i went to a friends house. But i thought it was going to be a debate, not a seperate deal. I want to see then two go at it face to face. Then i will make my decision on who to vote for. But i stand strong on McCain, i dont want to pull out of the war. And i like the lower taxes as ive said before. Although, Obama is trying to get another tax relief check of 1000$. Thats a plus for him. |
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Post by Cepha on Aug 17, 2008 22:02:13 GMT -5
You guys are going to be disappointed in me, but i MISSED IT! LOL I had a babysitter so i went to a friends house. But i thought it was going to be a debate, not a seperate deal. I want to see then two go at it face to face. Then i will make my decision on who to vote for. But i stand strong on McCain, i dont want to pull out of the war. And i like the lower taxes as ive said before. Although, Obama is trying to get another tax relief check of 1000$. Thats a plus for him. It's being repeated over and over. It'll be on CNN tonight again I'm sure. Anyway, I want to see them go at it too. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Aug 18, 2008 0:41:09 GMT -5
watching McCain right now, the section over the supreme court and taxes and so on. The audience seemed to be in favor of everything he has said. I have also agreed with everything he has said so far. the commercial is over, going watch some more.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Aug 18, 2008 0:54:58 GMT -5
Last section of his question and answers went very well, audiance again was very impressed, and no he was not boasting about being a war veteran. He looked like he was calm and spoke very well. I was impressed actually of how well he did.
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Post by knuckle on Aug 18, 2008 5:16:10 GMT -5
from the transcript Another issue, stem cells. We’ve had the scientific break-through of creating pluri-potent (ph) stem cells through adult stem cells. MCCAIN: Yes. WARREN: So would you favor or oppose the federal funding of embryonic stem cell research since we had this other break-through? MCCAIN: For those of us in the pro-life community this has been a great struggle and a terrible dilemma because we’re also taught other obligations that we have as well. I’ve come down on the side of stem cell research. But I am wily optimistic that skin cell research, which is coming more and more into focus and practicability, will make this debate an academic one. the entire transcript is here www.clipsandcomment.com/2008/08/17/full-transcript-saddleback-presidential-forum-sen-barack-obama-john-mccain-moderated-by-rick-warren/much love--------------knuckle |
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Post by Cepha on Aug 18, 2008 7:18:19 GMT -5
from the transcript Another issue, stem cells. We’ve had the scientific break-through of creating pluri-potent (ph) stem cells through adult stem cells. MCCAIN: Yes. WARREN: So would you favor or oppose the federal funding of embryonic stem cell research since we had this other break-through? MCCAIN: For those of us in the pro-life community this has been a great struggle and a terrible dilemma because we’re also taught other obligations that we have as well. I’ve come down on the side of stem cell research. But I am wily optimistic that skin cell research, which is coming more and more into focus and practicability, will make this debate an academic one. the entire transcript is here www.clipsandcomment.com/2008/08/17/full-transcript-saddleback-presidential-forum-sen-barack-obama-john-mccain-moderated-by-rick-warren/much love--------------knuckle So I didn't miss it. I did hear that. He's for it. "Real" Pro-Lifers are against that. So he lied about being Pro-Life...he's Pro-Life except on Stem Cells & on-demand abortions for rape/incest/health of the woman. Scorecard? Obama is 5 of 5 Pro-Choice. 100% Pro-Choice. McCain is 4 of 5 Pro-Choice. 80% Pro-Choice. Not only that, he said he wouldn't do anything to change Roe V. Wade and said that he would defend it (McCain that is). I don't understand how he can call himself "Pro-Life" when he believes in murdering unborn children under those conditions (Stem Cells & on-demand abortions for rape/incest/health of the woman). I'm sure The Church disagrees with him on his Pro-Choice views. That's what I like about Obama...he's honest about his views...he's not 100% pro-choice (no late term abortions). He doesn't say he's Pro-Life then states that it's alright to kill children under certain circumstances. Thanks for looking it up for me Knucks. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Aug 18, 2008 12:21:01 GMT -5
Ok, people dont kill babies just for the stem cell, correct? But if abortions are going to happen then why not use whats left. I am an organ donar, that does not mean that they are going to kill me to get my organs.
But, they have found that you can get stem cells, from scraping your arm from the cells on your arm. That is prolly what they will start doing instead.
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Post by Cepha on Aug 18, 2008 15:40:12 GMT -5
Ok, people dont kill babies just for the stem cell, correct? Not right. The stem cells are taken from human embryos that are alive. They have to kill them to get them. In other words, they make "baby farms", create all these human lives, then take what they need and destroy the baby. Because it's immoral to create a life "just" to take a part out of it then discard the rest. These aren't the remnants of aborted fetuses, but embryos created specifically for the purpose of being destroyed. The baby has to be alive first, then they get the stem cells from it and kill it. That's literally "baby farming". Like in the movie The Matrix:  Until then, John McCain agrees with creating life to destroy it (which is worse than abortions because this is done on purpose where abortions from rape, incest and for the woman's health are not). Whatever comes down the road later is irrelevant to John McCain's position on the destruction of human embryos to farm out their parts. And The Catholic Church is against this. |
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Post by Cepha on Aug 18, 2008 17:35:28 GMT -5
Whoa!
So! It turns out that John McCain actually lied about where he was during Obama's interview with Rick Warren!
He was in a car during the interview, NOT in a soundproof room!
So, it seems that McCain DID have the ability to listen to the questions asked by Pastor Warren BEFORE he was asked those questions giving him an unfair advantage over Obama!
The next few days will certainly be interesting.
Everybody is on the News Programs is saying that McCain seemed prepped for the questions!
Wow!
Is it beyond McCain's behavior to cheat?
Ask his two wives that he actually cheated on.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Oct 15, 2008 17:06:18 GMT -5
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