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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Feb 5, 2009 22:36:22 GMT -5
i did not suffer, did you really? My life went on just fine honestly, nothing directly hit me.
And remember, we were in the largest most expensive war in history WHILE president Bush was in office, that is a big reason for the deficit.
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Post by Cepha on Feb 5, 2009 22:39:26 GMT -5
Charity is not something that is forced. That is extortion IMHO. I agree, that is why it is called charity! In The Holy Bible, it was called "distribution". Acts 4 32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and soul: and not one of them said that aught of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
33 And with great power gave the apostles their witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
34 For neither was there among them any that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
35 and laid them at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto each, according as any one had need.
36 And Joseph, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas (which is, being interpreted, Son of exhortation), a Levite, a man of Cyprus by race,
37 having a field, sold it, and brought the money and laid it at the apostles' feet. Why is it so difficult for Conservatives to share the wealth with the lesser fortunate? Oh, because their "conserving" their money. |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 5, 2009 22:43:12 GMT -5
i did not suffer, did you really? My life went on just fine honestly, nothing directly hit me. And remember, we were in the largest most expensive war in history WHILE president Bush was in office, that is a big reason for the deficit. I lost a lot. Maybe you had more with Bush because you had less under Clinton. Would that be accurate? And, yes...the most expensive "unjust" war (which The Catholic Church issued a statement condemning it)...that's what happens when you decrease intake (cutting taxes for Fat Cat Corporations) and increase unneccesary spending. Bush destroyed our economy and the only ones that made out like bandits were the Wall Streeters he attended elite schools with and the Big Oil Companies and the Big Corps (like Halliburton). |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 5, 2009 23:07:19 GMT -5
I dont like these, they have nothing to do with helping the economy, just wastfull spending... $600 Million To Buy New Cars For Government Workers (Page 89) These cars would be “green” friendly cars – however very few gas pumps have the right gas to run these cars. The Federal government already spends $3.5 billion a year.
$10M for bike and walking trails (Page 65) Detroit is in shambles financially and the car industry needs the work and "this" wouldn't stimulate the economy for the auto industry? Why are you against putting Americans "back" to work building cars and cars that would clean up God's earth at that? The Bike tax credits are for people who choose to ride bikes to work instead of driving cars that pollute the air. God would love for us to stop polluting the air, don't you think? On top of that, the person would be healthier making them less reliant on healthcare saving more money. And this is wrong how? Yeah, the whole "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" theory. Work to keep people from getting sick and you'll save tons of money in the future. I believe that there is a formula that for every dollar you spend, you save more than a dollar in the future with regards to healtcare. And what about all of those health professionals that it puts to work? You're against preventing STD's if we can do it? What's wrong with that? Isn't it good that we stop the spread of diseases? And what about all of those health professionals that it puts to work? Oh yeah, I forgot...you're against helping out poor people who are unemployed and going through rough times. What did Jesus say? “If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt” I bet when he said this, the person who was asking for the coat didn't pay for the coat...why are you against Jesus teaching about giving without reservation? For what? And excellent endeavor! That's how we got all of our great Catholic Artwork! The Catholic Church supported the arts! Great! Again, improving the lives of smokers by helping them quit. This would drastically cut the cost of healthcare needed for those who would get lung cancer! And this is wrong how? And think about all of those health carer professionals that would get work! Well, maybe they can't pass basic financial audits because their under funded! Remember, you said that the Acct. Off had "already" (past tense). It's common knowledge that Bush severly underfunded Government Programs. More Construction Jobs! How is this "not" going to stimulate the economy? Why do you think that putting people to work is a bad thing? More construction work! More people working! More people becomming tax payers! Growing the economy! And? Don't you want someone with oversight to keep an eye so that the abuses of the last Presidency don't occur again? Don't you want people making sure that the money goes where it's supposed to go? How is this wrong? And imagine all of Administration Professionals that are going to be put back to work contributing taxes to the government and spending money in the economy! That's one that I think could wait. That wouldn't benefit us immediately, but then again, with the information gained from the Census, we could better allocate resources to more appropriate places. No more "bridges to nowhere". [/b]. [/quote] Uh, I just proved how all of those projects (except the Census) would have an immediate impact on the economy by creating jobs for construction, health industry and administration. Why do you think that it won't? |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Feb 5, 2009 23:20:17 GMT -5
I dont like these, they have nothing to do with helping the economy, just wastfull spending... $600 Million To Buy New Cars For Government Workers (Page 89) These cars would be “green” friendly cars – however very few gas pumps have the right gas to run these cars. The Federal government already spends $3.5 billion a year.
$10M for bike and walking trails (Page 65) Detroit is in shambles financially and the car industry needs the work and "this" wouldn't stimulate the economy for the auto industry? Why are you against putting Americans "back" to work building cars and cars that would clean up God's earth at that? The Bike tax credits are for people who choose to ride bikes to work instead of driving cars that pollute the air. God would love for us to stop polluting the air, don't you think? On top of that, the person would be healthier making them less reliant on healthcare saving more money. And this is wrong how? Buying Government workers cars, not really putting money in my pocket. Didnt they allready give the car industry a bailout anyway... This is just an example of them spending the money on themselves.
Bike and walking "trails" are not commute lanes cepha. They are like walks in the park trails. Those do not stimulate the economy. lol |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Feb 5, 2009 23:25:58 GMT -5
You're against preventing STD's if we can do it? What's wrong with that? Isn't it good that we stop the spread of diseases? And what about all of those health professionals that it puts to work? Im not against stopping the spread of diseases....its just not going to stimulate the economy in any fast way at all. And there are plenty of health professionals at work, that industry is not hurting at all.Oh yeah, I forgot...you're against helping out poor people who are unemployed and going through rough times. Yeah thats right  No im just against the people that abuse it  My question is why should be give a tax credit to someone who DOES NOT even pay taxes? |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Feb 5, 2009 23:30:54 GMT -5
Hollywood
For what?
Your guess is as good as mine...
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Feb 5, 2009 23:33:01 GMT -5
Quote:$75 million for smoking cessation (Page 148). This contradicts the latest version of SCHIP that is funded
largely by new taxes on cigarettes.
Great!
Again, improving the lives of smokers by helping them quit.
This would drastically cut the cost of healthcare needed for those who would get lung cancer!
And this is wrong how?
And think about all of those health carer professionals that would get work!
Technically if people stopped smoking it would cut back jobs, cut back lung cancer research, cut back on the taxes that the government is making off of people smoking also.
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Post by Cepha on Feb 5, 2009 23:35:21 GMT -5
I guess you haven't had any hospitals close down in your area, huh? Well, it's not as great as it is in your parts...hospitals are being closed down. But with this infusion of money, they can open up clinics which are far more cost effective saving money, saving expenses, saving on treatments and saving lives. Jesus never said to test the poor man. All Jesus said was to "give". You can't assume that it's being abused by poor people just because their poor. When The Apostles were given the possesions of the community and it was distributed throughout the Church with the poor receiving from it too...they (the poor) didnt kick in for it. Yet, they got the help. Remember CC...it's the poorest who need the most help. My gosh! You Conservatives are so judgemental and selfish and greedy with your possesions! You guys remind me of this one... Luke 18: 22 And when Jesus heard it, he said unto him, One thing thou lackest yet: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. 23 But when he heard these things, he became exceeding sorrowful; for he was very rich. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Feb 5, 2009 23:36:02 GMT -5
$227 million for oversight of the pork barrel spending in the stimulus (Page 11)
And?
Don't you want someone with oversight to keep an eye so that the abuses of the last Presidency don't occur again?
Don't you want people making sure that the money goes where it's supposed to go?
How is this wrong?
And imagine all of Administration Professionals that are going to be put back to work contributing taxes to the government and spending money in the economy!
Please tell me how on Gods earth should it cost that much money to revise this package, isnt that like raping the taxpayers who will be paying for these peoples wages. Its robbery. And we should not be paying for their dems mistakes!
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Post by Cepha on Feb 5, 2009 23:38:01 GMT -5
$227 million for oversight of the pork barrel spending in the stimulus (Page 11) Please tell me how on Gods earth should it cost that much money to revise this package, isnt that like raping the taxpayers who will be paying for these peoples wages. Its robbery. And we should not be paying for their dems mistakes!Tell me, how much money will it cost to manage a Trillion Dollars? Since you think that 2.2% is too high, what isn't? And how do you come to that number? Remember, we're talking about managing a Trillion Dollars. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Feb 5, 2009 23:44:28 GMT -5
I guess you haven't had any hospitals close down in your area, huh? Well, it's not as great as it is in your parts...hospitals are being closed down. But with this infusion of money, they can open up clinics which are far more cost effective saving money, saving expenses, saving on treatments and saving lives. Jesus never said to test the poor man. All Jesus said was to "give". You can't assume that it's being abused by poor people just because their poor. When The Apostles were given the possesions of the community and it was distributed throughout the Church with the poor receiving from it too...they (the poor) didnt kick in for it. Yet, they got the help. Remember CC...it's the poorest who need the most help. My gosh! You Conservatives are so judgemental and selfish and greedy with your possesions! You guys remind me of this one... Luke 18: 22 And when Jesus heard it, he said unto him, One thing thou lackest yet: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. 23 But when he heard these things, he became exceeding sorrowful; for he was very rich.
2nd, Ok, the poor get welfare, 450mth food stamps, free home living, free healthcare, keep having babies and live off the government(our tax paying dollars) and then you want to give them more money!!!! Please! Im paying taxes, so i feel like i should get something before someone who does not.3rd, very not greedy with my possesions. I spend 3/4 of my extra fun money on others, love buying things for other people. Also give to the poor especially at xmas. Wes and I are good hearted people and are willing to help out the honest poor people, but i could care less about the ones that abuse it and im sure you have seen it. |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 5, 2009 23:49:10 GMT -5
Technically if people stopped smoking it would cut back jobs, cut back lung cancer research, cut back on the taxes that the government is making off of people smoking also. Good riddens to an industry that causes more deaths. It kills about 1/2 a million people yearly. We could put those lung cancer doctors to work on curing other diseases...they wouldn't be out of work and more doctors on other things would be great! As for the taxes the government is collecting, the reason that their collecting it is because they have to put that money into treatment for lung disease. They literally cost the American Taxpayer 10 Billion a year! |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 5, 2009 23:52:27 GMT -5
[ Buying Government workers cars, not really putting money in my pocket. Didnt they allready give the car industry a bailout anyway... This is just an example of them spending the money on themselves.
Bike and walking "trails" are not commute lanes cepha. They are like walks in the park trails. Those do not stimulate the economy. lolSee? There's that old Conservative Greed Streak, that "what's in it for me" mentality that Jesus says you have to abandon! And how in the Hades are they spending it on themselve? (and the auto manufacturers only got about 17 Billion and the Republicans didn't want to give them that much...but they were ready to help out their buddies on Wall Street weren't they? 700 Billion Dollars!) Also, Detroit buys materials and parts from all over the country. The money would be distriubuted "back" into the economy. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Feb 5, 2009 23:55:28 GMT -5
The wallstreet bailout was exceptable, it was the brokers and fraudulant banks that caused people to lose their homes, therefore the government stepped in to help these poor people. The car industry is not to blame anyone but themselves. Its like, we cant bail any company out because they did poor business.
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Post by kathleenelsie on Feb 5, 2009 23:55:42 GMT -5
I dont like these, they have nothing to do with helping the economy, just wasteful spending... $600 Million To Buy New Cars For Government Workers (Page 89) These cars would be “green” friendly cars – however very few gas pumps have the right gas to run these cars. The Federal government already spends $3.5 billion a year.
$10M for bike and walking trails (Page 65) Detroit is in shambles financially and the car industry needs the work and "this" wouldn't stimulate the economy for the auto industry? The cars are not proven yet. The fuel is not yet widely available and many of the fleet's present autos are still new. So this is replacing something that does not need replaced, How is this not wasteful and how is this green?Why are you against putting Americans "back" to work building cars and cars that would clean up God's earth at that? This will junk more cars. or these cars will be just added to the fleet so it will make more carbon. As for work the industry needs to become leaner to survive for the long term.The Bike tax credits are for people who choose to ride bikes to work instead of driving cars that pollute the air. Well since there are few places that using a bike is practicable year round as a reliable form of transportation. I bike with the kids in the nice weather. But commuting to the city would be impossible.God would love for us to stop polluting the air, don't you think?
We are to be good stewards of all of God's creations.On top of that, the person would be healthier making them less reliant on health care saving more money. Many people I know would end up in the hospital if they tried to climb the hills and mountains on a bike around here.And this is wrong how? Yeah, the whole "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" theory. Work to keep people from getting sick and you'll save tons of money in the future. I believe that there is a formula that for every dollar you spend, you save more than a dollar in the future with regards to hectare. And what about all of those health professionals that it puts to work? What about those health care workers that will no longer be protected by the conscious clauses. They will be out of work also. The sign will read pro-lifers need not apply.You're against preventing STD's if we can do it? Easily done. Just don't sleep with every Tom Dick and Harry. Teach the children the dangers of sexual encounters outside of a marriage and don't teach them HOW TOOO. Because there is no such thing as "safe sex".What's wrong with that? Isn't it good that we stop the spread of diseases? And what about all of those health professionals that it puts to work? Planned parenthood and abortionists.Oh yeah, I forgot...you're against helping out poor people who are unemployed and going through rough times. What did Jesus say? “If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt”
AH but the person was to give it back before dark.I bet when he said this, the person who was asking for the coat didn't pay for the coat...why are you against Jesus teaching about giving without reservation? For what? And excellent endeavor! That's how we got all of our great Catholic Artwork! The Catholic Church supported the arts! Yes and our government supports bottles of urine with a statue of the Blessed Mother in it as art. Or how about the dung figure of Christ. Just to name a few.Great! Again, improving the lives of smokers by helping them quit. This would drastically cut the cost of health care needed for those who would get lung cancer! And this is wrong how? How is this going to grow the work force? The average person in need of a job is not the Dr or other professional.And think about all of those health carer professionals that would get work! Well, maybe they can't pass basic financial audits because their under funded! Remember, you said that the Acct. Off had "already" (past tense). It's common knowledge that Bush severely underfunded Government Programs. Wait a min I thought he spent like a drunken sailor and this was our problem. The actual thing he did was not cut funds but he did cut the additional spending on some things. We are now going to pay for "children" up to the age of 30 with SCHIP expansion. Go figure I thought adulthood started at 18.More Construction Jobs! How is this "not" going to stimulate the economy? Why do you think that putting people to work is a bad thing? If you are talking about road and bridge construction the states are in the process of returning almost as much as the stimulus due to the fact that the projects were not able to be started on time. The government spends this money on a six year rotating basis.More construction work! More people working! In PA those workers must be in the union and paid the inflated wages of the big unions. So not as many jobs as you would think.More people becomming tax payers! Growing the economy! And? Don't you want someone with oversight to keep an eye so that the abuses of the last Presidency don't occur again? Don't you want people making sure that the money goes where it's supposed to go? How is this wrong? And imagine all of Administration Professionals that are going to be put back to work contributing taxes to the government and spending money in the economy! That's one that I think could wait. That wouldn't benefit us immediately, but then again, with the information gained from the Census, we could better allocate resources to more appropriate places. No more "bridges to nowhere". [/b]. [/quote] Uh, I just proved how all of those projects (except the Census) would have an immediate impact on the economy by creating jobs for construction, health industry and administration. Why do you think that it won't? [/quote] And how will this create jobs for the average person that does not have the professional knowhow to be hired for the trades, healthcare or administration? Lots more government workers. |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 9, 2009 19:52:41 GMT -5
You gotta love his honesty!
Now "this" is STRAIGHT TALK!
The "REAL" Straight Talk Express!
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Post by Cepha on Feb 9, 2009 20:03:01 GMT -5
The wallstreet bailout was exceptable,  What? Whatever happened to the Rlepublican call to let the freemarket correct itself? Oh, wait, when it's their fat cat Wall Street Buddies who are in trouble, "THEN" we have to step in! The same Buds' that they "deregulated" allowing them free-reign while insisting that there be no oversight of their actions! No, it was people who lost their jobs who couldn't pay off their homes! R U Serious? If a person pays off their home, then no broker could take it from them. It's that simple. It aint rocket science. But, take us to war, make our trade partners angry with us, give our tax money to multi-billion dollar recordbreaking Big Oil companies and give the rich greater tax breaks than the poor, and guess what happens...people can't work and they lose their homes. No! They gave the BANKS the money! Not the people! If they had given the people the money, they would've payed off their homes with it and wouldn't need the banks! That's donkey backwards! It was the taxpayers money to begin with! We should've given it back to them, not to those mutts on Wall Street who used the money to buy new jets with them and to give themselves fat bonuses and they still haven't applied the money to the credit they were supposed to! They screwed us once, what did we think, that they wouldn't screw us again? Oh, I see, the "working man", the blue collar guys is guilty but Wall Street Banks need help? 700 Billion Dollars is ok to give away, but a mere 17 Billion is wrong? Yeah, allow Toyota to come into the US and build cars and to use Americans to build those cars and to trade here while we are NOT allowed to trade in Japan! Real good Bush! Yeah, let the Mexicans come and sell their products here without the same stringent standards that the US has for it's workers insuring a safe workplace and fair wage and let them come and undercut our own American workforce! Republicans are some of the most unpatriotic people in America! They go for their rich buddies and throw the working man under the bus! Yeah...but we can bail out The Republicans "rich" buddies on Wall Street, right? |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 9, 2009 20:30:12 GMT -5
And how will this create jobs for the average person that does not have the professional knowhow to be hired for the trades, healthcare or administration? Lots more government workers. That's right! Government workers earning wages, they buy products, services and goods not being purchased now, then lesser skilled people need to be hired to meet their needs, and the circle of equitable distribution of wealth begins! Common sense. Where were you people in the 90's? |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Feb 11, 2009 18:00:06 GMT -5
Cepha, you are right and sooo wrong at the same time. Honey, people went out and bought homes they could not afford, banks new they could not afford them and they loaned them the money anyway. These people still had jobs,, they just could not afford their house notes when the interest rates wentup!
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No im just against the people that abuse it 
