Challenge: To Watchman From Cepha

[Cepha]

Feb 12, 2009 1:13:22 GMT -5 watchman said:

Feb 12, 2009 1:10:37 GMT -5 Cepha said:

I repeat...

Show me the one scripture that ecompasses all those points you believe are the Doctrine of Salvation.

the challenge was never to use one verse it was to use the Bible. Hence you opening statement.

Feb 11, 2009 0:52:21 GMT -5 Cepha said:

My opening statement:

The Doctrine of Salvation is not taught in The Bible.

The challenge was to show the doctrine (the collection of scriptures).

You haven't done that.

You haven't shown were The Doctrine of Salvation is taught.

All you've done is posted several scriptures, but not The Doctrine.

Even if you use the first definition of the word "doctrine".

According to the definition you used, you haven't proven that The Doctrine of Salvation is in The Bible (only that the teachings that make up the Doctrine are there which was never in dispute).

[watchman]

I disagree I think I have clearly shown that the doctrine of salvation is in scripture. As far as i am concerned this debate is over and i have obviously won. If you want to get Teresa or knuckles to judge it that is fine by me. However just so you know I will feel i have won regardless of what they say?

Now I am off to bed God bless and good try.

[Cepha]

Feb 12, 2009 1:19:35 GMT -5 watchman said:

I have successfully proving all 8 points of belief which incorporate the doctrine of salvation using only scripture.

No, they don't incorporate the Doctrine of Salvation, it's the other way around...the DOS (Doctrine of Salvation) incorporates "them".

Read the definition of the word doctrine...it is a collection of teachings.

And, you still to this point haven't posted where The Doctrine of Salvation is taught (only the teachings that make up The Doctrine).

Contrary to your claim I gave no explanation at all just the point of belief with the scriptures that proved it.

No one ever disputed that Salvation was real.

The debate isn't whether or not there is proof of salvation in the bible.

The debate is that there is not DOS in the bible.

And I did so off the top of my head. I am sure there are many, many more and even better scripture that could have been used.

You could quote until the cows come home to prove what you believe...but unless you quote where The DOS is taught, you have not proven that there is a DOS in The Bible.

Ok now...you've concluded your posts.

I will now lock the thread and allow the board to offer their opinions to see if you are right (that the DOS is in The Bible) or if I'm right (There never was a DOS ever taught in The Bible, just the separate teachings that make it up).

[Cepha]

Feb 12, 2009 1:45:53 GMT -5 watchman said:

I disagree I think I have clearly shown that the doctrine of salvation is in scripture.

That's why we had a formal debate.
Now, we will let the board decide.

And note: You never posted where the DOS is taught (only the separate teachings...according to the definition of the word doctrine, there has to be an organized set of believes explaining the DOS and you never posted one).

As far as i am concerned this debate is over and i have obviously won. If you want to get Teresa or knuckles to judge it that is fine by me. However just so you know I will feel i have won regardless of what they say?

Now I am off to bed God bless and good try.

Again, that's what the debate is for.
Participants cannot declare themselves winners.
Only the board can.

[Cepha]

Feb 12, 2009 1:21:49 GMT -5 watchman said:

You didn't originally claim that the doctrine of salvation was not taught in on verse or one passage, your opening statement was that it is not taught in the Bible which I have just disproven. ;D

That's why I posted the definition of the word Doctrine.
It specifies one collection of organized teachings.

If you were going to use scripture to prove that a collection of scriptures existed in The Bible that completely explained salvation, then what else would you use besides "The Bible"?

And...it "HAS" to be taught in one passage "or" verse. It has to be one continuous teaching. Remember, the definition of "doctrine" as approved by you states that it is a body of principles.

The DOS is an all inclusive teaching in one doctrine.

What I originally claimed (and still do) is that the DOS doesn't exist in The Holy Bible.

The only way that you can prove that an organized collection of teachings that taught salvation exists in The Bible is to quote scripture...

...what you did was to grab a verse here, a verse there and you combined your own made up list (even though the Bible doesn't show this collection of teachings ever in any passage).

This was your personal list, not The Bibles.

So...the original question was never answered.

You made a statement that didn't address the challenge put to you.

Prove that The DOS existed in scripture.