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Post by Cepha on Feb 12, 2009 1:51:41 GMT -5
Who proved their point?
Did Watchman prove that The Doctrine of Salvation was taught in The Holy Bible?
Or...
Did Cepha prove that The Doctrine of Salvation was never taught in The Holy Bible?
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Post by Cepha on Feb 12, 2009 1:54:29 GMT -5
Remember: The definition of the word "doctrine" means a collection of teachings formally organized and explained. This has to be done by The Holy Bible (not by Watchman) in order for WMan's theory to be true (that The Holy Bible taught the DOS).
He himself cannot collect scriptures and then explain them.
If he did, then this wouldn't be The Holy Bible teaching The Doctrine of Salvation, but Watchman using the Holy Bible to teach the DOS.
The debate was that The Bible had to teach it, have it already organized and explained (which of course, as anyone who knows Christian History wasn't revealed until "after" The Holy Bible was written.
So, discuss...
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Post by Cepha on Feb 12, 2009 1:55:40 GMT -5
WMan, you have every right to refute what I just wrote, but you cannot continue the debate here. You can discuss what "how" you proved what you believe (that the DOS is in The Holy Bible), but you cannot revisit the debate on it.
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Post by fffffff on Feb 12, 2009 9:10:32 GMT -5
I vote for watchman. If the Bible does not teach the doctrine of salvation then I am not saved and I am, of all men, most to be pitied.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Feb 12, 2009 14:30:40 GMT -5
i think watchman did a good job in defending his belief. How can the doctrine of salvation not be in the Holy Bible?
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Post by emily445455 on Feb 12, 2009 14:49:26 GMT -5
I did not read the debates, but the message of Salvation is more definitly in God's Holy Bible.
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Post by watchman on Feb 12, 2009 15:42:02 GMT -5
I did not read the debates, but the message of Salvation is more definitly in God's Holy Bible. Read the debate emily, then decide who did a better job of proving their point. |
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Post by emily445455 on Feb 12, 2009 15:45:53 GMT -5
Kinda long. I cast my vote. I know it's in there...I'm confused at why this is a debate.
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Post by Cepha on Feb 12, 2009 16:32:27 GMT -5
I vote for watchman. If the Bible does not teach the doctrine of salvation then I am not saved and I am, of all men, most to be pitied. Ok, show me where The DOS is. Quote the chapter and verses.  |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 12, 2009 16:32:49 GMT -5
i think watchman did a good job in defending his belief. How can the doctrine of salvation not be in the Holy Bible? Ok, show me where The DOS is then? |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 12, 2009 16:33:04 GMT -5
I did not read the debates, but the message of Salvation is more definitly in God's Holy Bible. Ok, show me where The DOS is then? |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 12, 2009 16:33:37 GMT -5
I did not read the debates, but the message of Salvation is more definitly in God's Holy Bible. Read the debate emily, then decide who did a better job of proving their point. You still haven't shown me where The DOS is. Can you do it now? |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 12, 2009 16:34:23 GMT -5
Kinda long. I cast my vote. I know it's in there...I'm confused at why this is a debate. Where is it? Why can't anybody show me where the DOS is? |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 12, 2009 16:34:46 GMT -5
Anybody?
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Post by Cepha on Feb 12, 2009 16:39:22 GMT -5
i think watchman did a good job in defending his belief. How can the doctrine of salvation not be in the Holy Bible? By the way, his belief wasn't what the debate was about. Belief can't be debated. What he was challenged to do was to show where The Holy Bible ever taught the DOS. |
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Post by teresahrc on Feb 12, 2009 16:59:08 GMT -5
fffffff: You are confused. Your salvation isn't dependent upon the teachings of the Bible.  Before you stone me, let me explain. I do believe that the Bible is the word of God. But the Bible doesn't save us. It shows us the way to salvation. But someone can be saved without ever seeing or touching a Bible. We are not saved by the Bible, we are saved by a PERSON. Namely, the Lord Jesus Christ. Of course the Bible is so important, and it helps us get to know Jesus. But it is not the Bible that saves us. If you don't have a Bible, you will survive. In fact, millions of Christians around the world either don't have a Bible, or couldn't read it if they did. (hopefully they are able to hear scripture in Church). But if you don't have JESUS, then, you are to be pitied. peace teresa |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 12, 2009 17:20:20 GMT -5
fffffff: You are confused. Your salvation isn't dependent upon the teachings of the Bible. Before you stone me, let me explain. I do believe that the Bible is the word of God. But the Bible doesn't save us. It shows us the way to salvation. But someone can be saved without ever seeing or touching a Bible. We are not saved by the Bible, we are saved by a PERSON. Namely, the Lord Jesus Christ. Of course the Bible is so important, and it helps us get to know Jesus. But it is not the Bible that saves us. If you don't have a Bible, you will survive. In fact, millions of Christians around the world either don't have a Bible, or couldn't read it if they did. (hopefully they are able to hear scripture in Church). But if you don't have JESUS, then, you are to be pitied. peace teresa Of course, salvation being dependant on The Bible would beg the question..."which one"?  |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 12, 2009 17:22:57 GMT -5
You don't even need Jesus to be saved. He already did the work. His work wasn't conditional...he gave it to us as a gift. Gifts require no "trade". So, that gift was given to all humanity. After their being delivered from origional sin, the rest of their lives are up to them. But, I digress. |
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Post by emily445455 on Feb 12, 2009 17:45:31 GMT -5
Where is it? Why can't anybody show me where the DOS is? My apologizes for having a life outside of fididewhatever.com This is a simple thread with a simple OP, to vote. I voted. |
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Post by watchman on Feb 12, 2009 18:06:34 GMT -5
Cepha you cannot debate and challenge everyone who votes to a debate of their own. I won plain and simple I gave 8 points to the doctrine of salvation, you said to use scripture to prove them and I did, simple as that. The Bible does contain the doctrine of salvation. Take your defeat gracefully.
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