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Post by watchman on Feb 12, 2009 23:04:53 GMT -5
#5 You must acknowledge your sinfulness.
Romans 3: 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Galatians 3:22-24
22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
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Post by watchman on Feb 12, 2009 23:05:43 GMT -5
#6 You must repent of your sins.
Luke 24:47And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Acts 2:38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
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Post by watchman on Feb 12, 2009 23:06:17 GMT -5
#7 You must remiss from your sins.
Romans 6:1-2
1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Romans 6:15-16
15What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
1st John 1:6If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1st John 2:4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
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Post by watchman on Feb 12, 2009 23:06:47 GMT -5
#8 You must endure keeping the faith until the end. (of your life or until Jesus returns)
Matthew 24:12-13
12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mark 13:13And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Colosians 1:21-23
21And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
23If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
Revelation 2:26And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
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Post by watchman on Feb 12, 2009 23:07:44 GMT -5
Now stop being a child and move on to the next topic please. The only thing worse than a beaten man is a spoiled rotten beaten man acting like a child.
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Post by Cepha on Feb 12, 2009 23:08:20 GMT -5
Doctrine
A "collection" of teachings...not teachings.
All those teachings would have to have been formally organized and compiled not by you,
but had to be already "in" the Holy Bible.
Which their not...so the DOS is not.
Are you changing your mind now about accepting what the definition of the word "doctrine" is?
If you want to retract definition #1 like you retracted definitioin #2, that leaves you 2 more options.
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Post by Cepha on Feb 12, 2009 23:10:21 GMT -5
Now stop being a child and move on to the next topic please. The only thing worse than a beaten man is a spoiled rotten beaten man acting like a child. I'm sure you would like for me to move on, but I still haven't seen your proof that The DOS is in The Bible. And save the name calling and insulting. Some (though I'm not going to) call that acting like a child. I'm pursuing you, questioning you, holding your feet to the fire. |
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Post by watchman on Feb 12, 2009 23:14:07 GMT -5
Doctrine A "collection" of teachings...not teachings. All those teachings would have to have been formally organized and compiled not by you, but had to be already "in" the Holy Bible. Which their not...so the DOS is not. Are you changing your mind now about accepting what the definition of the word "doctrine" is? If you want to retract definition #1 like you retracted definitioin #2, that leaves you 2 more options. That is a collection of 8 teachings that are in the Bible, under any definition I have just proven that the DOS is scriptural, whether you are too prideful to admit it or not. |
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Post by watchman on Feb 12, 2009 23:15:44 GMT -5
Now stop being a child and move on to the next topic please. The only thing worse than a beaten man is a spoiled rotten beaten man acting like a child. I'm pursuing you, questioning you, holding your feet to the fire. What you are really doing is making a mockery of yourself, showing everyone the type of person you really are. |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 12, 2009 23:27:11 GMT -5
I'm pursuing you, questioning you, holding your feet to the fire. What you are really doing is making a mockery of yourself, showing everyone the type of person you really are. Again, save the personal insults and try to stick to the topics of discussion. There's no need to be disrespectful. |
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Post by watchman on Feb 12, 2009 23:32:48 GMT -5
Your continuance to deny what you have been shown is the height of disrespect, just lay it down. The DOS is scriptural, end of story.
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Post by Cepha on Feb 12, 2009 23:33:12 GMT -5
That is a collection of 8 teachings that are in the Bible, under any definition I have just proven that the DOS is scriptural, whether you are too prideful to admit it or not. Got you! You said it! That is "a" collection of 8 teachings that are in The Bible! But, you won't dare say that they are The Bible's collection! You compiled that list! You created that collection! That list as you posted exists no where in The Holy Bible in an organized body of teachings. Only in Watchman's post! See? I knew if I kept prodding, I'd get you to say it. And, whether or not the DOS is scriptural is "not" in question. Why don't you try proving what the debate was about...that the DOS is no where to be found in The Bible? Why do you keep diverting? Even here...you divert. And the text is up to prove it. Undeniable...not allegations by me, but proven. Even now you admit that this is "a" collection, but not "the" collection. Right? Tell you what...Show me in Scripture where all those points are formally organized into a body of teachings forming a doctrine and I will hand you over the keys to FideiDefensor. I'll give you the board. |
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Post by watchman on Feb 12, 2009 23:36:06 GMT -5
hahaha You are out of your mine, I asked you for 3 days to give me ''the'' DOS and you refused, you said use mine and then you claim because i used mine instead of yours or the catholics official doctrine of salvation that I somehow did not prove my point you are beyond the pale, wild man indeed.
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Post by Cepha on Feb 12, 2009 23:36:26 GMT -5
Your continuance to deny what you have been show ???n is the height of disrespect, just lay it down. The DOS is scriptural, end of story. Oh no. No, no, no. I won't lay it down. I told you you'd quit before me. Since when was disagreement disrespectful? The DOS being scriptural is not in question...what is in question is whether or not the DOS exists in The Bible. If if did, you wouldn't waste tons of text insulting or diverting from the topic. You'd keep slamming me with the quote in The Bible that shows what you outline all in one all-inclusive teaching comprised of all those teachings. That might be "your" personal doctrine (and come to think of it, it is because you created that list...no where in The Bible is there a "list" of what is required for Salvation). |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 12, 2009 23:37:11 GMT -5
hahaha You are out of your mine, I asked you for 3 days to give me ''the DOS and you refused, you said use mine and then you claim because i used mine instead of your or the catholics official doctrine of salvation that I somehow did not prove my point you are beyond the pale, wild man indeed. Actually, I listed it in the debate...hold on, I'll be right back: I got back to you by my 2nd post to the first time you asked me. fideidefensor.proboards80.com/index.cgi?board=debatingboard&action=display&thread=488&page=1#8248 |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 12, 2009 23:46:27 GMT -5
hahaha You are out of your mine, I asked you for 3 days to give me ''the DOS and you refused, you said use mine and then you claim because i used mine instead of your or the catholics official doctrine of salvation that I somehow did not prove my point you are beyond the pale, wild man indeed. Actually, I listed it in the debate...hold on, I'll be right back: Here you go. Post #9 on page 1. All on the first day of our debate. Actually, I conceded that to you...that you use yours.That way, we would have a point of agreement from which to start. I didn't want there to be any excuse from you that our different beliefs would be the reason that you couldn't continue the debate. Therefore, I removed that barrier leaving you with no way out. We don't have to believe the same thing to prove text. Text in and of itself is nuetral. And, by my using your beliefs instead of mine, again, you had no wiggle room. You got set up and you didn't even know it. And you didn't prove your point...because the point of the debate was to show me where the DOS was taught and you could only manage to create your own list of scriptures...there was no doctrine of salvation outlined in The Bible. So let's review: 1. I conceded to use your personal beliefs as to what The DOS was. 2. I allowed you to retract your first usage of the word doctrine, because it contradicted what you were trying to prove. 3. I brought up a definition of the word doctrine that was agreeable to the both of us. 4. I gave you chance after chance after chance after chance to prove that the collection of teachings existed in a formal doctrine. 5. You quit without providing the proof that the DOS as defined by the definition that we both agreed upon of what "doctrine" means (and let's not forget how you tried to say that it was "my" definition until I posted the link right back to the sight that shows that you were the one who chose #1 which just happened to be the one I chose). I don't know what else I could do? |
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Post by watchman on Feb 12, 2009 23:50:58 GMT -5
I didn't quit the debate I finished it, and I proved my point, I was voted the winner, lay it down, give it up, be a man not a child. Think of something else to talk about you have to be tired of this dont ya?
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Post by Cepha on Feb 12, 2009 23:56:02 GMT -5
I didn't quit the debate I finished it, and I proved my point, I was voted the winner, lay it down, give it up, be a man not a child. Think of something else to talk about you have to be tired of this dont ya? Again, according to the rules of the debate, you didn't prove that The DOS is in The Bible. That's why we have rules, so that this kind of "run to podium" to collect your trophy ahead of your time stunts couldn't be useful. And...again, how can people vote you the winner? 2 out of the 3 didn't read the thread? And when they did, they didn't respond to the questions I posted to them. They've been popping in and out of here, but not daring to respond because they know that I'm right...you never posted the DOS you claim exists in The Bible...only your own personal compilation of verses. Do you deny that you made up this list on your own? That you can't find a list like this in The Bible? (Again, think about the 10 Commandments comparison) |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 12, 2009 23:59:49 GMT -5
I didn't quit the debate I finished it, and I proved my point, I was voted the winner, lay it down, give it up, be a man not a child. Think of something else to talk "about you have to be tired of this dont ya? This sounds like quitting to me when someone insists on not continuing the exchange and wants to change the subject... "Now stop being a child and move on to the next topic please.
The only thing worse than a beaten man is a spoiled rotten beaten man acting like a child.
Your continuance to deny what you have been shown is the height of disrespect, just lay it down.
The DOS is scriptural, end of story."I told you...I could be here all year on this. The only thing that will make me quit is your posting the DOS you claim is "in" the Bible (not your personal complilation of teachings...anybody can combine scriptures and call it a doctrine, but unless that list is in the Bible, it's just your personal interpretation...The DOS according to Watchman). There are only two people that I quit on...Teresa and CC and the reasons for that was that A) I didn't believe what I was saying and B) I was just stretching out their Apologetic muscles! I was playing rabbit. And they put a whoopin' on the fake beliefs I was telling them! But you? Never. |
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Post by watchman on Feb 13, 2009 0:00:29 GMT -5
This could go on forever, you didn't prove it , yes I did, no you didn't, yes I did, no you didn't, yes I did, no you didn't, yes I did, no you didn't, yes I did, no you didn't, yes I did, no you didn't, yes I did, no you didn't, yes I did, no you didn't, yes I did, no you didn't, yes I did, no you didn't, yes I did, no you didn't, yes I did, no you didn't, yes I did, no you didn't, yes I did, no you didn't, yes I did, no you didn't, yes I did, no you didn't, yes I did, no you didn't, yes I did, no you didn't, yes I did, no you didn't, yes I did, no you didn't, yes I did, no you didn't, yes I did, no you didn't, yes I did.
It seems that everyone that reads the debate agrees with me. You should really move on.
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