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Post by Cepha on Apr 7, 2009 8:21:46 GMT -5
You know something?
You all need to go to Russia!
Communists!
Trying to impose a "One Religion Rule" over the land of the free and the home of the brave!
LOL!
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Post by ezekiel33 on Apr 7, 2009 9:52:51 GMT -5
There is no such thing as moderate muslim, all true muslims are radical just as all true Christians should be. Now the fact is America has strayed from its roots and most individuals are not Christian, but America was founded on Christianity and that is why it is the greatest nation in the world. There is no excuse for the President to be sucking up to Islam. Why not? He's 1/2 Muslim according to the Christian Radicals, isn't he? Why shouldn't he represent his people? We voted for him knowing this and now we want to change this? He said during the election that he was going to reach out to Muslims. And he's doing it. Keeping his promise. Jesus would be the same way. He said we are to love our enemies and to care for them and to reach out to them. This would include even those who don't recognize Him as The Son of God the way Christians do. If Jesus doesn't discriminate, niether I. No you and the rest of the heathens voted for him, not any true Christian. |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 7, 2009 11:08:41 GMT -5
No you and the rest of the heathens voted for him, not any true Christian. Well then, according to you, the majority of Americans then are "not" true Christian, is that right? Is that your belief? Then, no on can say that this is a Christian country, right? And, only Jesus can judge who is a true Christian (not man). We (America) voted for The President and we're the ones who are supposed to leave the country? LOL Since when did the minority rule? |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 7, 2009 13:57:23 GMT -5
Yeah, the majority of americans voted for a president who DOES NOT CONSIDER THIS A CHRISTIAN NATION! What a shame!
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Post by Cepha on Apr 7, 2009 14:59:41 GMT -5
Yeah, the majority of americans voted for a president who DOES NOT CONSIDER THIS A CHRISTIAN NATION! What a shame! What does that tell you? That the majority of Americans don't believe that this is a Christian nation. Besides, I don't think that God approves of Abortion or Prostitution or Gay Marriage...all "legal" in this nation. Do you think that Jesus would call this "His" country? |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 7, 2009 15:38:02 GMT -5
I don't believe seperation of church and state is a good thing.
I thought most catholics were very pro-life/anti-abortion. But to be pro-life you are going against what the government says...
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Post by Cepha on Apr 7, 2009 15:46:33 GMT -5
I don't believe seperation of church and state is a good thing. I thought most catholics were very pro-life/anti-abortion. But to be pro-life you are going against what the government says... Yes. That's why this isn't a Christian country. It's Pro-Choice and Jesus isn't Pro-Choice. And if you don't believe in separation of church and state, should this country now be run by The Catholic Church since it is the largest Church in The United States? |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 7, 2009 15:48:24 GMT -5
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Post by Cepha on Apr 7, 2009 16:12:12 GMT -5
Just because Obama does not consider this a Christian Nation, does not mean that the Christians like yourself dont believe it is. When we start not acting like Christians...we are doomed! How can you say that this is a Christian nation when we have legal aborition and prostitution and when we commit (in the eyes of The Catholic Church) unjust wars? It's now what you call yourself that proves that you are a Christian...it's what you actually do. Do you think that Jesus would approve of unjust wars? Of Abortion? Of Prostitution? |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 7, 2009 16:16:50 GMT -5
Cepha- to answer your question...NO.
So you're ok with the laws of pro-choice then? If we have to render unto caesar what is caesars (which I do not believe this is about all gov't policy, just taxes)
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 7, 2009 16:25:11 GMT -5
Well, sounds like we should not have a pro-choice, pro-gay marriage..ect...president! And i still believe this IS a Christian nation, with some non-christians occupying the land.  |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 7, 2009 16:28:39 GMT -5
Cepha- to answer your question...NO. So you're ok with the laws of pro-choice then? If we have to render unto caesar what is caesars (which I do not believe this is about all gov't policy, just taxes) Pro-Choice is literally pre-meditated murder. It's literally illegal. If Catholics were in charge, there'd be no abortion. In Catholic run countries, abortion is illegal. So to answer your question, I'm definitely not ok with them. As for what render unto Ceasar means, let's review the scripture and the context of what Jesus said: Matthew 21: 15Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. 16They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. "Teacher," they said, "we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren't swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are. 17Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?" HERE, THE PHARISEES CHALLENGE JESUS ON WHETHER OR NOT IT IS RIGHT TO PAY TAXES (WHETHER IT IS "RIGHT", NOT THE ACTUAL PAYING OF TAXES...IT'S A GIVEN THAT TAXES ARE TO BE GIVEN TO CEASAR). 18But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? 19Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, 20and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?" HERE, JESUS ASKS WHO'S NAME IS ON THAT COIN. IN THE CASE OF THE U.S., GOD'S NAME APPEARS ON OUR CURRENCY IN "IN GOD WE TRUST", HOWEVER, IT IS NOT GOD'S NAME ON THE BILL AS IT'S PRODUCER, BUT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TREASURY. HERE COMES THE DISTINCTION NOW IN THE NEXT VERSE... 21"Caesar's," they replied. Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." 22When they heard this, they were amazed. So they left him and went away. JESUS TELLS THE PHARISEES TO GIVE THE MONEY TO CEASAR BECAUSE IT BELONGS TO CEASAR. HERE, JESUS TELLS THEM TO DO WHAT IS CIVICALLY EXPECTED OF THEM. IN THE POST GOSPEL BOOKS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT, IT IS TAUGHT THAT WE ARE TO BE GOOD CITIZENS FOLLOWING OUR NATIONS' LAWS WHERE EVER WE RESIDE. CLEARLY, THERE IS A SEPARATIOIN OF CHURCH AND STATE IN THE BIBLE AND OF THE WORLDLY LIFE AND NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE WILL YOU FIND ANYONE TEACHING A BELIEVER THAT WE ARE TO INFLUENCE OUR GOVERNMENT. TO THE CONTRARY, WHEN JESUS WAS ASKED HIS OPINION, HE DIDN'T SAY "PAY CEASAR TAXES", HE SAID TO RENDERE UNTO CEASARS WHAT IS CEASARS. THE CONSTITUTION, THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDANCE, ALL OF THAT BELONGS TO THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES (LITERALLY, THE PEOPLE, US), IT DOES NOT BELONG TO GOD. |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 7, 2009 16:32:51 GMT -5
Well, sounds like we should not have a pro-choice, pro-gay marriage..ect...president! And i still believe this IS a Christian nation, with some non-christians occupying the land. We SHOULD have a Pro-Choice President because we chose him. It is how it is because we made it so. (Oh, and stop lying about President Obama being Pro-Gay Marriage...he's against Gay Marriage. Why did you lie about him? That's slander. Go to confession now! LOL! ) Oh, by the way, no responses to my questions about our nation's President's approval ratings? Remember? You said they were going down? But then posted a link to Gallup that says his rating is higher than ever?  |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 7, 2009 16:32:53 GMT -5
soooooo....you should be ok with the abortion laws as they currently are? You can't tell someone an abortion is wrong, since you said you are to be good citizens following our nations laws.....
Personally, I'd rather follow God's laws if man's conflict with them.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 7, 2009 16:34:58 GMT -5
soooooo....you should be ok with the abortion laws as they currently are? You can't tell someone an abortion is wrong, since you said you are to be good citizens following our nations laws..... Personally, I'd rather follow God's laws if man's conflict with them. If this is posted to me, then no. And, (this is why it's great to be Catholic!), the Church teaches us that we are to obey all laws except those that go against God's laws. |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 7, 2009 16:37:04 GMT -5
actually that's what the bible teaches....our church does that as well because it's what the bible says...
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Post by Cepha on Apr 7, 2009 16:37:39 GMT -5
Cepha- to answer your question...NO. So you're ok with the laws of pro-choice then? If we have to render unto caesar what is caesars (which I do not believe this is about all gov't policy, just taxes) No. Abortion is pre-meditated murder. It is already illegal. It's just not enforced because we live in Satan's country. |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 7, 2009 16:38:19 GMT -5
actually that's what the bible teaches....our church does that as well because it's what the bible says... Where? |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 7, 2009 16:41:13 GMT -5
Well, sounds like we should not have a pro-choice, pro-gay marriage..ect...president! And i still believe this IS a Christian nation, with some non-christians occupying the land. Do you think that Jesus would approve of unjust wars? Of Abortion? Of Prostitution? Are you saying that a Christian nation is to allow these things and still be a Christian nation? |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 7, 2009 16:52:32 GMT -5
I don't believe seperation of church and state is a good thing. I thought most catholics were very pro-life/anti-abortion. But to be pro-life you are going against what the government says... Here's a great explanation of how The Bible teaches that there is to be a separation of Church & state: www.anabaptists.org/ras/31e30.html |
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