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Post by emily445455 on Apr 7, 2009 16:55:25 GMT -5
Romans 13:1-7, Acts 5;27-29, also somewhere in Ecc.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 7, 2009 17:00:07 GMT -5
Romans 13:1-7, Acts 5;27-29, also somewhere in Eph. That teaches what I said earlier, that we are to submit ourselves to those in authority over us. This doesn't teach that The Church is supposed to control the government. Where do you see that The Church is supposed to be implimented in the operation of a government (which is the literal argument of Church and State)? We are supposed to be good citizens. That is what those scriptures state, but that's only so that non-believers would see us as holy. |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 7, 2009 17:03:00 GMT -5
Ecc 8:4 and 10:20
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 7, 2009 17:04:41 GMT -5
those are about obeying the laws of the land if they do not go against God's laws.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 7, 2009 17:08:27 GMT -5
those are about obeying the laws of the land if they do not go against God's laws. Right. I agree with that 101%. So, would a truly Christian Nation allow abortion? Prostitution? Unjust wars? |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 7, 2009 17:18:29 GMT -5
Nope. the US doesn't allow prostitution...btw...
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Post by Cepha on Apr 7, 2009 17:28:50 GMT -5
Nope. the US doesn't allow prostitution...btw... Yes it does...in Nevada. And the Government allows it. I guess you've never heard of "The Bunny Ranch". |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 7, 2009 17:31:15 GMT -5
I was thinking street prostitutes. I think escorts are legal....not sure, I don't really think about that kind of stuff much.
I also don't think it's a Christian nation.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 7, 2009 19:38:47 GMT -5
Well, sounds like we should not have a pro-choice, pro-gay marriage..ect...president! And i still believe this IS a Christian nation, with some non-christians occupying the land.  We SHOULD have a Pro-Choice President because we chose him. It is how it is because we made it so. (Oh, and stop lying about President Obama being Pro-Gay Marriage...he's against Gay Marriage. Why did you lie about him? That's slander. Go to confession now! LOL! ) Oh, by the way, no responses to my questions about our nation's President's approval ratings? Remember? You said they were going down? But then posted a link to Gallup that says his rating is higher than ever?  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Actually i did not comment back because his inicial ratings were a lil bit higher than they are today. I was trying to wait till they drop lower. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Barack Obama in the Illinois Senate: Barack Obama was known as a liberal who was not afraid to build bridges across party lines during his term in the Illinois State Senate. He gained a 100% rating from Planned Parenthood for his support of family planning and abortion rights legislation. Barack Obama and Gay Rights in Illinois: Barack Obama supported gay rights during his Illinois Senate tenure. He sponsored legislation in Illinois that would ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. Barack Obama and Gay Marriage/ Civil Unions: Although Barack Obama has said that he supports civil unions, he is against gay marriage. In an interview with the Chicago Daily Tribune, Obama said, "I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman." Barack Obama did vote against a Federal Marriage Amendment and opposed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996. He said he would support civil unions between gay and lesbian couples, as well as letting individual states determine if marriage between gay and lesbian couples should be legalized. From the White House Web site: President Obama supports full civil unions that give same-sex couples legal rights and privileges equal to those of married couples. Obama also believes we need to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act and enact legislation that would ensure that the 1,100+ federal legal rights and benefits currently provided on the basis of marital status are extended to same-sex couples in civil unions and other legally-recognized unions. These rights and benefits include the right to assist a loved one in times of emergency, the right to equal health insurance and other employment benefits, and property rights. CIVIL UNIONS IS JUST ANOTHER WORD FOR MARRIAGE! lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbianactivism/p/BarackObama.htm |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 7, 2009 20:05:44 GMT -5
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Barack Obama in the Illinois Senate: Barack Obama was known as a liberal who was not afraid to build bridges across party lines during his term in the Illinois State Senate. He gained a 100% rating from Planned Parenthood for his support of family planning and abortion rights legislation. Barack Obama and Gay Rights in Illinois: Barack Obama supported gay rights during his Illinois Senate tenure. He sponsored legislation in Illinois that would ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. Barack Obama and Gay Marriage/ Civil Unions: Although Barack Obama has said that he supports civil unions, he is against gay marriage. In an interview with the Chicago Daily Tribune, Obama said, "I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman." Barack Obama did vote against a Federal Marriage Amendment and opposed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996. He said he would support civil unions between gay and lesbian couples, as well as letting individual states determine if marriage between gay and lesbian couples should be legalized. From the White House Web site: President Obama supports full civil unions that give same-sex couples legal rights and privileges equal to those of married couples. Obama also believes we need to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act and enact legislation that would ensure that the 1,100+ federal legal rights and benefits currently provided on the basis of marital status are extended to same-sex couples in civil unions and other legally-recognized unions. These rights and benefits include the right to assist a loved one in times of emergency, the right to equal health insurance and other employment benefits, and property rights. CIVIL UNIONS IS JUST ANOTHER WORD FOR MARRIAGE! lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbianactivism/p/BarackObama.htmDo you just realize that you proved that you lied? Then, you tried to clean it up by saying that civil unions mean the same thing as gay marriage? You said gay marriage before, you didn't say civil unions. They are not the same thing. Just admit that you either lied on purpose or you just didn't know that President Obama was against gay marriage. So, you say that his ratings were dropping (when they had actually gone up to the highest he's enjoyed since he became President) then, in order to justify your statement, you wanted to wait until they dropped to then prove it? Don't you realize that that's talking about the future? LOL! If you had said "his ratings will drop", no one would disagree with you. But you said that his ratings dropped and then posted a link to a site that said that they were at record levels. I don't understand CC? LOL! Today, more Americans approve of him than when the vote was held. 2/3's of the country approves of our President's performance. So, do you accept that his approval is at an all time high? (and are you now going to say that it ratings don't mean anything after you were the one who tried to use ratings to belittle his approval in the first place?) You need to be more Patriotic CC and get behind President Barack Hussein Obama! LOL! ;D |
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Post by alfie on Apr 7, 2009 21:54:20 GMT -5
Is he the anti-christ. No, I don't believe he is. I think if he was, he'd be Pro-Life in order to fool hard core Christians. Could even his Pro-Choice stance just be a deception to let Christians guard down? Hmm! That's funny! Now you are finally getting it. A while back I started a thread on this forum about how I thought Satan was part of the Catholic Church because it hasn't broken up into denominations like the Protestants churches. According to Jan Markell's Christian web-site the stimulus package includes money for the RFID chip. The government will soon start implanting radio frequency chips in people with Alzheimers in order to keep track of them so you know where that will lead. |
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Post by alfie on Apr 7, 2009 21:59:06 GMT -5
I won't be left behind...I know that for a fact. Who's work yet for what? If he's the AC, then he's supposed to fool the world by bringing some sort of world peace, then he's supposed to begin to rule the world. He just started. Keep an eye on the Middle East. |
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Post by alfie on Apr 7, 2009 22:06:07 GMT -5
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Barack Obama in the Illinois Senate: Barack Obama was known as a liberal who was not afraid to build bridges across party lines during his term in the Illinois State Senate. He gained a 100% rating from Planned Parenthood for his support of family planning and abortion rights legislation. Barack Obama and Gay Rights in Illinois: Barack Obama supported gay rights during his Illinois Senate tenure. He sponsored legislation in Illinois that would ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. Barack Obama and Gay Marriage/ Civil Unions: Although Barack Obama has said that he supports civil unions, he is against gay marriage. In an interview with the Chicago Daily Tribune, Obama said, "I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman." Barack Obama did vote against a Federal Marriage Amendment and opposed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996. He said he would support civil unions between gay and lesbian couples, as well as letting individual states determine if marriage between gay and lesbian couples should be legalized. From the White House Web site: President Obama supports full civil unions that give same-sex couples legal rights and privileges equal to those of married couples. Obama also believes we need to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act and enact legislation that would ensure that the 1,100+ federal legal rights and benefits currently provided on the basis of marital status are extended to same-sex couples in civil unions and other legally-recognized unions. These rights and benefits include the right to assist a loved one in times of emergency, the right to equal health insurance and other employment benefits, and property rights. CIVIL UNIONS IS JUST ANOTHER WORD FOR MARRIAGE! lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbianactivism/p/BarackObama.htmDo you just realize that you proved that you lied? Then, you tried to clean it up by saying that civil unions mean the same thing as gay marriage? You said gay marriage before, you didn't say civil unions. They are not the same thing. Just admit that you either lied on purpose or you just didn't know that President Obama was against gay marriage. So, you say that his ratings were dropping (when they had actually gone up to the highest he's enjoyed since he became President) then, in order to justify your statement, you wanted to wait until they dropped to then prove it? Don't you realize that that's talking about the future? LOL! If you had said "his ratings will drop", no one would disagree with you. But you said that his ratings dropped and then posted a link to a site that said that they were at record levels. I don't understand CC? LOL! Today, more Americans approve of him than when the vote was held. 2/3's of the country approves of our President's performance. So, do you accept that his approval is at an all time high? (and are you now going to say that it ratings don't mean anything after you were the one who tried to use ratings to belittle his approval in the first place?) You need to be more Patriotic CC and get behind President Barack Hussein Obama! LOL! ;D Explain then why all of the gays and abortionists supported Obama and not McCain unless it is more to their advantage? And don't forget that Obama chose gov. Kathleen Sibelus who has been protecting George (the Killer) Tiller the abortionist all these years. You can't tell me McCain would have chosen someone like her. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 7, 2009 22:24:37 GMT -5
Noun S: (n) civil union (a voluntary union for life (or until divorce) of adult parties of the same sex) "parties to a civil union have all the same benefits, protections, and responsibilities under Vermont law as spouses in a marriage" wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=civil%20unionSame thing just called something else so that people dont get upset about it! And no i did not lie, i highlighted every fact...that he says he is against gay marriage, but for civil unions with is the same dang thing! You cannot deny it! |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 8, 2009 9:58:22 GMT -5
cradle, I understood what you meant.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 8, 2009 16:33:15 GMT -5
Hmm! That's funny! Now you are finally getting it. A while back I started a thread on this forum about how I thought Satan was part of the Catholic Church because it hasn't broken up into denominations like the Protestants churches. So let me get this straight...a Church manages to do what Jesus wished (that we may all be one, united, strong, able to withstand all of the world's attacks and persecutions, etc...) and managed to fullfill his prophecy that the gates of hell would not prevail against it and it was the Church that Peter started (whom Jesus empowered to start His Church) and you think that this is satanic?  So, a solution is bought up to helpl people who are sick and this is satanic? You know who else was criticized for healing people in unorthodox manners and who else was called satanic? Jesus Christ. |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 8, 2009 16:34:06 GMT -5
If he's the AC, then he's supposed to fool the world by bringing some sort of world peace, then he's supposed to begin to rule the world. He just started. Keep an eye on the Middle East. It's ok now....We have a MUSLIM President! He'll know just what to do over there!  |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 8, 2009 16:37:02 GMT -5
Explain then why all of the gays and abortionists supported Obama and not McCain unless it is more to their advantage? And don't forget that Obama chose gov. Kathleen Sibelus who has been protecting George (the Killer) Tiller the abortionist all these years. You can't tell me McCain would have chosen someone like her. Why did Homosexuals support President Obama? Because they knew that he would help them and that McCain wouldn't. As for Obama choosing Kathleen Sibelus, so what? Cheney's daugter was gay. Yet, he still kept her as his daughter. LOL! And, everybody knows that Obama is Pro-Choice. Nothing new...no news there.  |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 8, 2009 16:40:57 GMT -5
Noun S: (n) civil union (a voluntary union for life (or until divorce) of adult parties of the same sex) "parties to a civil union have all the same benefits, protections, and responsibilities under Vermont law as spouses in a marriage" wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=civil%20unionSame thing just called something else so that people dont get upset about it! And no i did not lie, i highlighted every fact...that he says he is against gay marriage, but for civil unions with is the same dang thing! You cannot deny it! So now you're proving to me that civil unions are not marriage by posting that they all it does is give these people the same benefits? That definition does not say that it's marriage, but LITERALLY separates marriage from civil union with a different definition from that of a marriage. And it's not the same thing. People who are married have different benefits from those that are married. If it was the same thing, then it wouldn't have to have a different name. It would just be called marriage and that would be that.  |
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Post by alfie on Apr 8, 2009 19:12:53 GMT -5
Noun S: (n) civil union (a voluntary union for life (or until divorce) of adult parties of the same sex) "parties to a civil union have all the same benefits, protections, and responsibilities under Vermont law as spouses in a marriage" wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=civil%20unionSame thing just called something else so that people dont get upset about it! And no i did not lie, i highlighted every fact...that he says he is against gay marriage, but for civil unions with is the same dang thing! You cannot deny it! So now you're proving to me that civil unions are not marriage by posting that they all it does is give these people the same benefits? That definition does not say that it's marriage, but LITERALLY separates marriage from civil union with a different definition from that of a marriage. And it's not the same thing. People who are married have different benefits from those that are married. If it was the same thing, then it wouldn't have to have a different name. It would just be called marriage and that would be that. I don't know what to think about gay marriage anymore. After all it isn't a real marriage. A real marriage is a covenant relationship between a man and a woman before God and God doesn't recognize gay marriage from a spiritual perspective. So gay marriage is just a business contract between two people. However where I would definetly draw the line is over gays being allowed to adopt children. |
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