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Post by watchman on Apr 19, 2009 16:00:35 GMT -5
The reason Philip need to teach the Eunich is because he was not already regenerated. A carnal mind cannot understand God's word.. Only a reborn spirit under the guidance of the Holy Spirit that now lives within him can understand the scriptures.
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 19, 2009 19:03:52 GMT -5
Cepha- Believers have many things non-Believers don't. Humility was the first thing that popped into my mind. Also, the Bible tells me to rightly divide it and to not privately interpret it  Teresa- I believe in Acts...but I'm not sure. Also, I believe that's what sermons should be, reading from the Bible...not what a preacher thinks on a specific subject. |
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Post by teresahrc on Apr 19, 2009 19:08:27 GMT -5
So the words of the Apostle (under the guidance of the Holy Spirit) were able to teach the Eunich the path to regeneration, but the Scriptures were not?
But a few posts ago you said that the Bible was all we needed to show us the way to salvation.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say.
teresa
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Post by teresahrc on Apr 19, 2009 19:18:25 GMT -5
You are very honest and humble.
You are a very sweet girl, I'm not sure how you put up with us!
The most important thing that Christians do is love God and love others. We all have different gifts that the Holy Spirit gives. Some gifts are more "dramatic" and some are not. Maybe your Spiritual gifts are not "dramatic" but that doesn't mean you don't have a gift.
I have seen some really amazing and beautiful "signs" that I will always treasure in my heart. Actually, one of those is what led me to Jesus--a vision of Him on the cross.
But the Kingdom of God is about justice, peace and love. If those things are accomplished without "signs" then that is perfectly fine. Indeed, I wouldn't have needed a vision if I had already loved Jesus.
Emily, in the Catholic Church we have at least 3 readings from the Bible at every Mass. First we have a reading from the Old Testament, then a Psalm is usually sung, then we have a reading from one of the Epistles, then from the Gospels. This all takes about 20 minutes. Then there is a short "sermon" which is usually 10 minutes and is more of a word of encouragement and just a simple talk about the scriptures that were read.
I get more out of 20 minutes of Bible readings than 1000 hours of Sermons.
peace
teresa
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 19, 2009 19:24:01 GMT -5
I forgot the Bible wasn't complete when the Eunich was Saved and baptized.
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Post by teresahrc on Apr 19, 2009 20:35:50 GMT -5
I like the part where Philip is like physically transported to another place by the Holy Spirit. That's pretty amazing. When the Ethiopian guy when home and told everyone his story, they probably thought he was insane. But there has been a stong community of believers in Ethiopia ever since that time, so they must have believed him.
teresa
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Post by watchman on Apr 19, 2009 22:04:59 GMT -5
So the words of the Apostle (under the guidance of the Holy Spirit) were able to teach the Eunich the path to regeneration, but the Scriptures were not? But a few posts ago you said that the Bible was all we needed to show us the way to salvation. I'm not sure what you are trying to say. teresa The eunich could not understand because he weas carnally minded. To the reborn person who has the Holy Spirit living inside them guiding them into all truth scripture is all they need. The unsaved non regenerated person the scripture cannot be understood. because they are spiritual. 1st Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 19, 2009 22:08:30 GMT -5
watchman- so you believe people who read the Gospel cannot be Saved.....?
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Post by Cepha on Apr 20, 2009 8:29:49 GMT -5
The reason Philip need to teach the Eunich is because he was not already regenerated. A carnal mind cannot understand God's word.. Only a reborn spirit under the guidance of the Holy Spirit that now lives within him can understand the scriptures. So then, "regeneration" is needed in addition to The Bible? And guidance of The Holy Spirit (which I agree with totally)? Another point that The Bible alone is not sufficient. |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 20, 2009 8:55:58 GMT -5
watchman- so you believe people who read the Gospel cannot be Saved.....? I don't think he said that Em. I believe that it of course is possible for a person to "just" read The Holy Bible and be saved by that if that is God's will, but I don't believe that it is the only way as The Bible itself has many experiences of people being saved "without" The Bible. Think about it...all those who were saved in The Bible were saved without The Bible. One would have to believe that if only The Bible saves or that it alone is sufficient, then no one was saved for the first 400 years of Christianity because The Bible didn't exist until the 4th Century. Do you believe that? That only The Bible saves (or is solely sufficient for salvation)? |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 20, 2009 9:01:46 GMT -5
Cepha- Believers have many things non-Believers don't. Humility was the first thing that popped into my mind. Also, the Bible tells me to rightly divide it and to not privately interpret it Ok, check this out...Martin Luther added the term "alone" in his version of the bible when stating that a person is saved through "faith alone". Anybody who reads that version today then ends up believing in this false belief because they found it in a version of the bible that didn't exist until the 16th century. Who's fault is it for these people being misled? Martin Luther's for altering the bible? Or those person who placed their faith in a book? How do you "rightly divide" that phrase when you trust everything in that particular version of the bible (not you specifically, but anybody in general)? See what I'm saying? There are many translational errors in the versions of the bibles today. How do we get the "right" interpretation? Only The Holy Spirit can guide you to all truth (a book cannot if it's altered or tampered with according to man's standards). So what do you think about that Martin Luther example? |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 20, 2009 9:05:16 GMT -5
You are very honest and humble. You are a very sweet girl, I'm not sure how you put up with us! The most important thing that Christians do is love God and love others. We all have different gifts that the Holy Spirit gives. Some gifts are more "dramatic" and some are not. Maybe your Spiritual gifts are not "dramatic" but that doesn't mean you don't have a gift. I have seen some really amazing and beautiful "signs" that I will always treasure in my heart. Actually, one of those is what led me to Jesus--a vision of Him on the cross. But the Kingdom of God is about justice, peace and love. If those things are accomplished without "signs" then that is perfectly fine. Indeed, I wouldn't have needed a vision if I had already loved Jesus. Emily, in the Catholic Church we have at least 3 readings from the Bible at every Mass. First we have a reading from the Old Testament, then a Psalm is usually sung, then we have a reading from one of the Epistles, then from the Gospels. This all takes about 20 minutes. Then there is a short "sermon" which is usually 10 minutes and is more of a word of encouragement and just a simple talk about the scriptures that were read. I get more out of 20 minutes of Bible readings than 1000 hours of Sermons. peace teresa At Mass, if you go every Sunday for 3 years straight, you get the entire Bible in just the readings. Also, it is based upon the Last Supper (Jesus quoted OT scripture which is the first reading, then He spoke on it which is NT 2nd reading and then He put the two together which is the Homily). [Of course, that is then followed by the Thanksgiving Meal which in Greek is "eucharist" that Jesus had @ The Last Supper] |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 20, 2009 9:07:24 GMT -5
You are very honest and humble. You are a very sweet girl, I'm not sure how you put up with us! peace teresa I'll tell you how...because she has true courage and is absolutely strong in her faith. She doesn't need to be able to answer all the questions in order to engage in an exchange. She's been honest enough to simply say "I don't know" sometimes and that is refreshing and she teaches ME how to act with how humble she is. You know something, if we combined all of our good points that strengthened the other's weak points, we'd make " one" good Christian! LOL! |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 20, 2009 9:10:28 GMT -5
I forgot the Bible wasn't complete when the Eunich was Saved and baptized. Think about it...no one that was saved "in" The Biblical Stories had a complete Bible to be saved with. Therefore, it was The Church that was saving people. The Church came before and existed before and saved before The Bible was used as a tool of The Church. God gave The Bible "to" The Church as an evangelical tool, but not as the only tool. Think of all those who were saved by just "hearing" The Gospel without having read a Bible? Or all those that were saved (like me) without by Jesus directly? I guess what I'm trying to say is that there is no limit on what/who God uses to save people. |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 20, 2009 9:52:46 GMT -5
Cepha- before the Bible was written men had to preach for people to be Saved. Now, however, it is better to read exactly what the Bible says on the subject. 400 yrs is a long time for their stories to get messed up.
I also believe the KJV is without error.
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Post by watchman on Apr 20, 2009 10:10:20 GMT -5
watchman- so you believe people who read the Gospel cannot be Saved.....? No, I believe they cannot really understand what they are reading until they are saved. I believe that God could move on someone as they are reading the gospels. |
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Post by watchman on Apr 20, 2009 10:15:48 GMT -5
Cepha- Believers have many things non-Believers don't. Humility was the first thing that popped into my mind. Also, the Bible tells me to rightly divide it and to not privately interpret it Ok, check this out...Martin Luther added the term "alone" in his version of the bible when stating that a person is saved through "faith alone". Anybody who reads that version today then ends up believing in this false belief because they found it in a version of the bible that didn't exist until the 16th century. Who's fault is it for these people being misled? Martin Luther's for altering the bible? Or those person who placed their faith in a book? How do you "rightly divide" that phrase when you trust everything in that particular version of the bible (not you specifically, but anybody in general)? See what I'm saying? There are many translational errors in the versions of the bibles today. How do we get the "right" interpretation? Only The Holy Spirit can guide you to all truth (a book cannot if it's altered or tampered with according to man's standards). So what do you think about that Martin Luther example? I agree Bible alone is not true. The Bible + the guidance of the Holy Spirit. That is how we come to all truths. |
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Post by watchman on Apr 20, 2009 10:19:36 GMT -5
I also believe the KJV is without error. I believe the KJV, and the NKJV are without error. Now after that I think many of the other''translations'' are suspect. |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 20, 2009 10:32:32 GMT -5
Cepha- before the Bible was written men had to preach for people to be Saved. Now, however, it is better to read exactly what the Bible says on the subject. 400 yrs is a long time for their stories to get messed up. I also believe the KJV is without error. Even The Bible teaches that we must hold fast to the traditions that are taught, right? That we are to hold fast to what we "hear". Then, was there a time limit on these oral traditions? If so, are those time limits listed in The Bible? If not, does that make believing in said time limits "extra-biblical"? And..."which" KJV do you believe is without error (since there are over 40 versions of the KJV)? |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 20, 2009 10:33:43 GMT -5
I agree Bible alone is not true. The Bible + the guidance of the Holy Spirit. That is how we come to all truths. Even The Bible teaches that. |
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