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Post by Cepha on May 7, 2009 11:46:34 GMT -5
The Jews are also God's children. They are God's chosen people. Those who bless them will be blessed, those who curse them will be cursed. I choose to be blessed. But you are not supposed to bless those who do evil (whether they are Jews, Chrisitians, Muslims, whatever). Do you believe you can bless people who do evil and God will approve of that? (Doesn't mean you "have to" curse them just because you don't bless them) |
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Post by Cepha on May 7, 2009 11:51:56 GMT -5
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Post by emily445455 on May 7, 2009 12:03:03 GMT -5
Cepha- What they do as individuals (or as a nation) is between them and God. I am just trying to follow God's Word (promise) and bless the nation of Israel.
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Post by watchman on May 7, 2009 12:03:38 GMT -5
Satan doesn't rule during the 1,000 year Millennium. He is bound in the bottomless pit for 1,000 years that is the millennium. No offence but you really need to study up on your eschatology, it is way off. If you need some help, it is one of my areas of expertise  escha what? LOL! What about the so called 1000 years that Satan is given free rule over the earth? You have some how gotten you teachings mixed up Satan is not free to rule the world for 1,000 years, He rules the world for 42 month and then is bound for 1,000 years and then released for an untold amount of time after the 1,000 years is finished. Satan's 42 month rule
Revelation 13
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. Satan bound for 1,000 years
Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.Satan released for a ''season''
Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,It seems you have confused two teachings into one. |
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Post by Cepha on May 8, 2009 8:06:55 GMT -5
Cepha- What they do as individuals (or as a nation) is between them and God. I am just trying to follow God's Word (promise) and bless the nation of Israel. Ok, but what about when the "nation" allows homosexuality? This isn't "individuals" doing it, but it's the nation of Israel tolerating it. (By the way, that's a great defense for when Anti-Catholics attack the acts of certain Catholics...that was a beautiful sentiment that you just stated which I agree with completely!  ) |
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Post by Cepha on May 8, 2009 8:13:47 GMT -5
escha what? LOL! What about the so called 1000 years that Satan is given free rule over the earth? You have some how gotten you teachings mixed up Satan is not free to rule the world for 1,000 years, He rules the world for 42 month and then is bound for 1,000 years and then released for an untold amount of time after the 1,000 years is finished. Satan's 42 month rule
Revelation 13
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. Satan bound for 1,000 years
Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.Satan released for a ''season''
Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,It seems you have confused two teachings into one. Yeah, that's all well and good, but if you go to the chapter right before Chapter 13, you'll see that Satan was cast to earth right after Jesus' Assumption, right? Meaning that everything you listed there in Ch 13 began happening in the 30's (30 A.D.). So, the 42 month period and the 1000 year period came and went already. You'll also note how around a thousand years "after" Jesus was Assumpted and Satan was imprisoned & freed (that's if you stick to the Biblical account of Rev 12 and 13), that's when the first separations begain in The Church (Christian Schism: Catholic Church/Orthodox Church...1054 a.d.). What a sign if ever that Satan was doing his work. All coincidentally lining up with the time periods mentioned in Rev 12 and 13. |
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Post by emily445455 on May 8, 2009 9:14:57 GMT -5
Cepha- as I have already stated, I will do my best to bless the nation of Israel. God loves them, like he loved Jacob throughout his ups and downs...He loves the nation of Israel.
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Post by watchman on May 8, 2009 19:00:19 GMT -5
You have some how gotten you teachings mixed up Satan is not free to rule the world for 1,000 years, He rules the world for 42 month and then is bound for 1,000 years and then released for an untold amount of time after the 1,000 years is finished. Satan's 42 month rule
Revelation 13
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. Satan bound for 1,000 years
Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.Satan released for a ''season''
Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,It seems you have confused two teachings into one. Yeah, that's all well and good, but if you go to the chapter right before Chapter 13, you'll see that Satan was cast to earth right after Jesus' Assumption, right? Meaning that everything you listed there in Ch 13 began happening in the 30's (30 A.D.). So, the 42 month period and the 1000 year period came and went already. You'll also note how around a thousand years "after" Jesus was Assumpted and Satan was imprisoned & freed (that's if you stick to the Biblical account of Rev 12 and 13), that's when the first separations begain in The Church (Christian Schism: Catholic Church/Orthodox Church...1054 a.d.). What a sign if ever that Satan was doing his work. All coincidentally lining up with the time periods mentioned in Rev 12 and 13. This is incorrect. Jesus defeats the anti christ and the false prophet when He returns to earth, which hasn't happen yet. Then Satan will be bound for 1,000 years. This is still to come not past. |
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Post by Cepha on May 9, 2009 10:28:29 GMT -5
Yeah, that's all well and good, but if you go to the chapter right before Chapter 13, you'll see that Satan was cast to earth right after Jesus' Assumption, right? Meaning that everything you listed there in Ch 13 began happening in the 30's (30 A.D.). So, the 42 month period and the 1000 year period came and went already. You'll also note how around a thousand years "after" Jesus was Assumpted and Satan was imprisoned & freed (that's if you stick to the Biblical account of Rev 12 and 13), that's when the first separations begain in The Church (Christian Schism: Catholic Church/Orthodox Church...1054 a.d.). What a sign if ever that Satan was doing his work. All coincidentally lining up with the time periods mentioned in Rev 12 and 13. This is incorrect. Jesus defeats the anti christ and the false prophet when He returns to earth, which hasn't happen yet. Then Satan will be bound for 1,000 years. This is still to come not past. But Revelation 12 says that Satan already persecuted The Church (2000 years ago). The Anti-Christ was Nero (that's what 666 means). Ohhhh...you must believe that the book of Revelations is talking about something that never happened! You dont' accept it as it was written (in the 90's by John). That's why you're confused. John was talking about what was going on at the time. -Nero was the beast. -The Whore of Babylon was Jeruselum because she was "in bed" with Rome (Babylon at the time) when they teamed up to kill Jesus Christ and get drunk on the blood of the holy people aka Saints (when they persecuted them). John was writing in "code" as the book was passed around, he couldn't have stated the names of Nero or Rome. Peter called Rome "Babylon" in one of his letters too because they were being persecuted and Rome was the most evil of all states at that time. This would make a great new thread, don't you think? |
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Post by emily445455 on May 9, 2009 10:41:51 GMT -5
Wow. I'm glad I serve a simple God who doesn't want to confuse us...aren't you watchman?
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Post by Cepha on May 9, 2009 10:53:03 GMT -5
Wow. I'm glad I serve a simple God who doesn't want to confuse us...aren't you watchman? Whoah there nelly! "a" simple God? Wow! That's scary! (I know what you are trying to say, but I'm just bustin' your chops Em! LOL! ) |
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Post by emily445455 on May 9, 2009 10:56:18 GMT -5
simplicity of Christ. Praise God.
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Post by watchman on May 9, 2009 15:46:14 GMT -5
This is incorrect. Jesus defeats the anti christ and the false prophet when He returns to earth, which hasn't happen yet. Then Satan will be bound for 1,000 years. This is still to come not past. But Revelation 12 says that Satan already persecuted The Church (2000 years ago). The Anti-Christ was Nero (that's what 666 means). Ohhhh...you must believe that the book of Revelations is talking about something that never happened! You dont' accept it as it was written (in the 90's by John). That's why you're confused. Sorry but I am not confused. You have been brain washed into accepting doctrines that are obviously false I feel sad for you if this is what you truly believe. You are so far off from the truth. |
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Post by teresahrc on May 9, 2009 16:47:06 GMT -5
Wow. I'm glad I serve a simple God who doesn't want to confuse us...aren't you watchman?
You are right, God is not the author of confusion. But He is anything but simple.
This is one of my favorite Bible verses:
33O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
(Romans 11)
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Post by teresahrc on May 9, 2009 16:49:51 GMT -5
What's wrong with rainbows Cepha?
Remember Noah's ark? Come on.
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Post by emily445455 on May 10, 2009 13:31:42 GMT -5
:-D
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Post by teresahrc on May 10, 2009 15:02:37 GMT -5
By the way, I love Jewish people too. And I am very thankful that I have had the privilege of having many Jewish friends and teachers throughout my life.
Judging individual Jewish people (whether they are gay or whatever) serves no good purpose whatsoever.
If you judge, you are guilty of the same thing!
teresa
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Post by watchman on May 11, 2009 10:19:23 GMT -5
By the way, I love Jewish people too. And I am very thankful that I have had the privilege of having many Jewish friends and teachers throughout my life. Judging individual Jewish people (whether they are gay or whatever) serves no good purpose whatsoever. If you judge, you are guilty of the same thing! teresa I agreed with your post until the end. You are not guilty of being gay if you judge a gay person. That is not what Romans 2 is saying. It is saying if you are guilty of the same thing judging someone else will not saved you from God's wrath. |
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Post by teresahrc on May 11, 2009 16:47:55 GMT -5
By the way, I love Jewish people too. And I am very thankful that I have had the privilege of having many Jewish friends and teachers throughout my life. Judging individual Jewish people (whether they are gay or whatever) serves no good purpose whatsoever. If you judge, you are guilty of the same thing! teresa I agreed with your post until the end. You are not guilty of being gay if you judge a gay person. That is not what Romans 2 is saying. It is saying if you are guilty of the same thing judging someone else will not saved you from God's wrath. I like to just take the verse as it is written. There is also a difference between a person, and a person's actions. Someone could be a "gay person" without sinning. And someone could be "straight" and be guilty of a "gay" sin. |
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Post by emily445455 on May 11, 2009 17:08:22 GMT -5
There is also a difference between a person, and a person's actions. Someone could be a "gay person" without sinning. And someone could be "straight" and be guilty of a "gay" sin. Definitly. |
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