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Post by Cepha on Jun 6, 2009 10:03:38 GMT -5
WOW, you have a wild imagination, but I must confess I believe when the Bible says anything it means anything, what else would it mean. "anything" that does not violate any other of God's laws. God does not contradict Himself.  |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 6, 2009 10:05:00 GMT -5
I do not care if you keep rambling repeating the same old already proven wrong nonsense. that is completely your call....lol... you are only making yourself look foolish. I guess that means that you are not going to directly respond to the requests for scripture stating that The Law was done away with, huh? Or that bodily discharges outside of a woman are now deemed "clean" in scripture, huh? |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 6, 2009 10:08:02 GMT -5
Birth control is not sa sexual act. further more the Bible say the bed is undefiled not that it needed to be kept undefiled.
Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.Yeah, but it's ok to for a woman to sodomize a man as long as their married? If a homosexual couple get married, "then" can they have sex? Is it "honourable" then?  |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 6, 2009 10:09:48 GMT -5
So then, if babies don't come from sex, where do they come from?! See, that is the great tragedy of living in this "culture of death", half the time we don't realize that it is rubbing off on us. Completely separating the natural fruit of sex (children) from the act itself is a defilement. It perverts and distorts God's creation and treats children as a burden and a disease. It literally exalts one's own flesh above God's plan. Amen to that T. The Bible literally states that it is unclean for a man to withdraw his semen from a woman. Period. No addendums, not alterations, no changes were ever made to that teaching. No where in The Bible does it state that that act is now allowable. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 6, 2009 10:18:05 GMT -5
I have absolutely NO shame whatsoever. I guess that means that you are not going to directly respond to the requests for scripture stating that The Law was done away with, huh? I am certainly not bound to it, or by it, but free from it. Romans 7
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. Funny how you left out the rest of that passage... Here, Paul is talking about the "law of nature" (or his "members" which means his body, the physical) as compared to "The Law of God" (which he states he STILL adheres to!): Romans 7 "in" context! 7What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.Just like Jesus said... Matthew 5:18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Surprise Watchman...everything has "not" been accomplished. I am HAPPILY bound to The Law of God! |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 6, 2009 10:20:58 GMT -5
WOW, you have a wild imagination, but I must confess I believe when the Bible says anything it means anything, what else would it mean. I'm sorry?! Excuse my french, but what the HECK!?? Premarital sex not ok but sodomy is ok? Emily should totally call you on that one. I'm so yucked out right now. I know, right? Excuse me while I hurl at what Watchman believes is considered "honourable" to God!  |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 6, 2009 10:36:48 GMT -5
I do not know what your point to me is supposed to be, but I neither use nor condone birth control Yet, you literally "practice" it. |
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Post by watchman on Jun 6, 2009 11:30:11 GMT -5
I am certainly not bound to it, or by it, but free from it. Romans 7
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. Funny how you left out the rest of that passage... Here, Paul is talking about the "law of nature" (or his "members" which means his body, the physical) as compared to "The Law of God" (which he states he STILL adheres to!): Romans 7 "in" context! 7What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.Just like Jesus said... Matthew 5:18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Surprise Watchman...everything has "not" been accomplished. I am HAPPILY bound to The Law of God! Like you said God does not contradict Himself and He tells me i am freed from the law through the blood of Christ, so go ahead bound yourself to the Law. I will rest in my freedom through Christ. Whom the Son sets free is free indeed. I guess you have never been set free that means you do not know Christ. Dont be surprised when you here these words. ''Depart from me I never knew you'' |
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Post by watchman on Jun 6, 2009 11:32:53 GMT -5
I do not know what your point to me is supposed to be, but I neither use nor condone birth control Yet, you literally "practice" it. Um no I do not, My wife has never used birth control nor have we ever used any type of contraceptive. |
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Post by watchman on Jun 6, 2009 11:34:28 GMT -5
But you were defending it. So you are comparing taking the pill ect... to pulling out? |
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Post by watchman on Jun 6, 2009 11:37:30 GMT -5
WOW, you have a wild imagination, but I must confess I believe when the Bible says anything it means anything, what else would it mean. I'm sorry?! Excuse my french, but what the HECK!?? Premarital sex not ok but sodomy is ok? Emily should totally call you on that one. I'm so yucked out right now. Emily can call me out until she is blue in the face I do not participate in any of the things cepha named. In my opinion he is showing his perversion by even imagining some of those things. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 6, 2009 11:39:37 GMT -5
But you were defending it. So you are comparing taking the pill ect... to pulling out? Both result in the same exact thing...controlling birth. Both are literally "birth control". So for you, using pills to stop unwanted pregnancies is wrong (which by the way is "not" mentioned in The Holy Bible), but spilling your seed is not wrong (which by the way "is" mentioned in The Holy Bible)? Do I have that right? |
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Post by watchman on Jun 6, 2009 11:39:56 GMT -5
Honey, there is a naturally occuring event that can solve that problem, and I'm sure the men know what that is. And so, please trust me, men CAN be celibate and not have their privates explode.  Yeah, but according to cephas even uncontroled night emissions are a sin. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 6, 2009 11:42:14 GMT -5
Like you said God does not contradict Himself and He tells me i am freed from the law through the blood of Christ, so go ahead bound yourself to the Law. I will rest in my freedom through Christ. Where did He tell you this? Scripture please? (Because the scripture you posted doesn't say what you said...it talks about the laws of nature like lust, anger, etc...VS The Law of God) And, Saint Paul and I will happily bound ourselves to God's Law. ;D Set free from what? What's that supposed to mean and how does it relate to being freed from God's Law? Ok. |
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Post by watchman on Jun 6, 2009 11:42:28 GMT -5
Birth control is not sa sexual act. further more the Bible say the bed is undefiled not that it needed to be kept undefiled.
Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.Yeah, but it's ok to for a woman to sodomize a man as long as their married? If a homosexual couple get married, "then" can they have sex? Is it "honourable" then? First of all you must be same type of freak, I do not think any Christian couple is going to be sodomizing the male. Further more homosexual marriage is never valid in guys eyes regardless of man's law. There for any form of homosexuality is sin whether they have a marriage certificate or not. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 6, 2009 11:43:47 GMT -5
Yet, you literally "practice" it. Um no I do not, My wife has never used birth control nor have we ever used any type of contraceptive. Pulling out "is" birth control. Don't tell me you do it for your own pleasure. You do it to not get her pregnant, right? To have "control" over the natural result of sexual relations, right? (Which results in "birth") |
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Post by watchman on Jun 6, 2009 11:44:14 GMT -5
So you are comparing taking the pill ect... to pulling out? Both result in the same exact thing...controlling birth. Both are literally "birth control". So for you, using pills to stop unwanted pregnancies is wrong (which by the way is "not" mentioned in The Holy Bible), but spilling your seed is not wrong (which by the way "is" mentioned in The Holy Bible)? Do I have that right? wrong, birth control alters the woman's hormones and sometimes causes abortions, pulling out is 100% natural. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 6, 2009 11:46:52 GMT -5
I'm sorry?! Excuse my french, but what the HECK!?? Premarital sex not ok but sodomy is ok? Emily should totally call you on that one. I'm so yucked out right now. Emily can call me out until she is blue in the face I do not participate in any of the things cepha named. In my opinion he is showing his perversion by even imagining some of those things. Negative. I completely disagree with all those "perversions" you claim that God Himself sees as "honourable" when done between to married people. I neither believe what you believe, much less practice it. To me, it's perverse that a person would say that when The Bible says anything, it overrules the scriptures of men being sodomized. How could you say that something "you" consider "perverse" is udnefiled between a married couple? ![]() www.clipartof.com/images/thumbnail/2202.gif[/img] |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 6, 2009 11:48:08 GMT -5
Honey, there is a naturally occuring event that can solve that problem, and I'm sure the men know what that is. And so, please trust me, men CAN be celibate and not have their privates explode. Yeah, but according to cephas even uncontroled night emissions are a sin. Never said that was a sin...said it was "unclean". Stop lieing. You always do that...you put words in my mouth. Don't slander me. And if I said it, quote it. (I forgot, you're not big on actually proving things...just "alledging" them) |
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Post by watchman on Jun 6, 2009 11:48:37 GMT -5
Like you said God does not contradict Himself and He tells me i am freed from the law through the blood of Christ, so go ahead bound yourself to the Law. I will rest in my freedom through Christ. Where did He tell you this? Scripture please? (Because the scripture you posted doesn't say what you said...it talks about the laws of nature like lust, anger, etc...VS The Law of God) And, Saint Paul and I will happily bound ourselves to God's Law. The scripture I gave in Romans 7 clearly states we are freed from the law. The law. |
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