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Post by watchman on Jun 6, 2009 11:51:01 GMT -5
Yeah, but according to cephas even uncontroled night emissions are a sin. Never said that was a sin...said it was "unclean". Stop lieing. You always do that...you put words in my mouth. Don't slander me. And if I said it, quote it. (I forgot, you're not big on actually proving things...just "alledging" them)  So you agree that it is not sinful to pull out? |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 6, 2009 11:51:27 GMT -5
First of all you must be same type of freak, I do not think any Christian couple is going to be sodomizing the male. OHHHHHHHHHHHH! So now we have Watchman's "Acceptions" to the rules! LMCBO!  First, you say that "anything" is allowable in sexual relations between a married couple and even posted scriptures to try to justify this...NOWWWW you're saying that it's not? Which one is it? Is sodomy "honourable" between a married couple or not? |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 6, 2009 11:52:32 GMT -5
Never said that was a sin...said it was "unclean". Stop lieing. You always do that...you put words in my mouth. Don't slander me. And if I said it, quote it. (I forgot, you're not big on actually proving things...just "alledging" them) So you agree that it is not sinful to pull out? No. I do not agree with artificial birth control whether done by intentional withdrawal of the semen or by other means. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 6, 2009 11:53:49 GMT -5
Where did He tell you this? Scripture please? (Because the scripture you posted doesn't say what you said...it talks about the laws of nature like lust, anger, etc...VS The Law of God) And, Saint Paul and I will happily bound ourselves to God's Law. The scripture I gave in Romans 7 clearly states we are freed from the law. Paul was talking about the law of nature (not The Law of God). Didn't you read the entire passage? In your personal opinion, which "law" is Paul talking about?  |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 6, 2009 11:55:22 GMT -5
Both result in the same exact thing...controlling birth. Both are literally "birth control". So for you, using pills to stop unwanted pregnancies is wrong (which by the way is "not" mentioned in The Holy Bible), but spilling your seed is not wrong (which by the way "is" mentioned in The Holy Bible)? Do I have that right? wrong, birth control alters the woman's hormones and sometimes causes abortions, pulling out is 100% natural. Birth control is sinful. Even intentionally withdrawing your seed from a woman is artificial birth control because it's not allowing the natural process to occur. You are interfering with what God designed and manipulating your act. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 6, 2009 11:56:32 GMT -5
Where did He tell you this? Scripture please? (Because the scripture you posted doesn't say what you said...it talks about the laws of nature like lust, anger, etc...VS The Law of God) And, Saint Paul and I will happily bound ourselves to God's Law. The scripture I gave in Romans 7 clearly states we are freed from the law. The law. You missed this question: What's that supposed to mean and how does it relate to being freed from God's Law? |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 6, 2009 12:00:24 GMT -5
I do not think any Christian couple is going to be sodomizing the male. Why not if it's (according to your personal interpretation of scripture) "honourable" in God's eyes?  |
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Post by watchman on Jun 6, 2009 12:26:47 GMT -5
First of all you must be same type of freak, I do not think any Christian couple is going to be sodomizing the male. OHHHHHHHHHHHH! So now we have Watchman's "Acceptions" to the rules! LMCBO! First, you say that "anything" is allowable in sexual relations between a married couple and even posted scriptures to try to justify this...NOWWWW you're saying that it's not? Which one is it? Is sodomy "honourable" between a married couple or not? What I said is I do not think a christian couple would do such a thing not that it is not allowable. However I am sure if the man is being sodomized by his wife they are into some other stuff that would not be allowable. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 6, 2009 12:31:46 GMT -5
What I said is I do not think a christian couple would do such a thing not that it is not allowable. Ohhhh! So now, if they do "honourable" sodomy, they are also engaged in "dishonourable" acts automatically by default? Hold on! I'm laughing so hard I can't eeven type rirtghnt now! OMGOsh!  |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 6, 2009 12:34:22 GMT -5
Wait wait wait!
Hold on...Watchman, are you now saying that they "can" do things sexually that are "dishonourable" EVEN though their married despite the scripture you posted?
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Post by watchman on Jun 6, 2009 12:37:26 GMT -5
The scripture I gave in Romans 7 clearly states we are freed from the law. Paul was talking about the law of nature (not The Law of God). Didn't you read the entire passage? In your personal opinion, which "law" is Paul talking about? Man you really like to twist scripture any ole way to fit whatever opinion you want it to fit dont ya. If I didn;t know better I would think you were protestant...lol No it is not my personal opinion what law Paul is talking about anyone even the most infantile of babes in Christ could realize this is referring to the law of God we are freed from through Christ matter of fact Paul tells us just that. Romans 7
1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.This clearly say that Paul is referring to the LAW that shows us our sin, and makes sin more sinful the Law of God. Is the law evil? no we are are we still bound to the law to be debtors to the law?no We are free in Christ, or at least I am ;D |
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Post by watchman on Jun 6, 2009 12:41:15 GMT -5
Wait wait wait! Hold on...Watchman, are you now saying that they "can" do things sexually that are "dishonourable" EVEN though their married despite the scripture you posted? What I am saying is anyone who is truly serving God is not going to be taking it in the butt even if they are ''allowed'' to because it is perverse, not that they cannot, but that they will not. |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 6, 2009 12:42:26 GMT -5
wait....anal sex is a sin?
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Post by watchman on Jun 6, 2009 12:54:34 GMT -5
wait....anal sex is a sin? hahahaha ;D No if you are married and your husband has anal sex with you it is not sin. However cepha is talking about a women strapping on and giving anal sex to her husband. That has to be crossing some type of line dont ya think? |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 6, 2009 12:56:25 GMT -5
Paul was talking about the law of nature (not The Law of God). Didn't you read the entire passage? In your personal opinion, which "law" is Paul talking about? Man you really like to twist scripture any ole way to fit whatever opinion you want it to fit dont ya. If I didn;t know better I would think you were protestant...lol Really? All I did was posted Romans 7, I mean "the rest of what you chose to conveniently leave out" that is! ;D Oh! So you're saying that we are "freed" from The Law of God now?I have to ask because I really want to believe that I completely misunderstood you there! When I read Romans 7, I see him speaking of the "acts" that he commits which counter The Law of God and he even refers to it as a separate "law". Paul even "rejoices" in living in The Law of God as opposed to the law of his own members (members means "body"). This is talking about the flesh VS the spirit. Do you "not" see that? That the law Paul is referring to is the law of nature (man's own law within them) VS God's Law? Even what you posted agrees with this: 21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Notice here how he states "a" law (not "The Law" which would mean The Law of God)!
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Now here he states "the law".
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Now here he separates the "laws" he's talking about calling it "another law" in his members!
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
And this shows "which" members he's referring to...his body!
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.And finally, (the part you underlined by the way) Paul states that he serves (not is set apart from or is not bound to) " the law of God"! And again separates the law of man's carnal nature (calling it "the flesh the law of sin"). How does this undo what Christ taught? Matthew 5
17 Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Do you think that "all things" have been accomplished? |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 6, 2009 12:58:54 GMT -5
Wait wait wait! Hold on...Watchman, are you now saying that they "can" do things sexually that are "dishonourable" EVEN though their married despite the scripture you posted? What I am saying is anyone who is truly serving God is not going to be taking it in the butt even if they are ''allowed'' to because it is perverse, not that they cannot, but that they will not.  But, if their married, then it's no longer perverse according to since ANYTHING is "honourable" as long as the two are married! How can something perverse be made honourable simply by the couple being married? If it is honourable in God's eye, why is it perverse in your eye? |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 6, 2009 12:59:59 GMT -5
wait....anal sex is a sin? According to Joey, "not" if you're married. According to scripture, sodomy "is" a sin. (of any kind) Cities were leveled because of it. Yuk! |
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Post by watchman on Jun 6, 2009 13:01:32 GMT -5
Listen if you want you wife to strap on and give it to you when you get married go for it, I am not going to tell you, you are going to hell for it after all scripture does say all is honorable within the marriage bed, however To me it is perverse, and i will not be getting my wife to penetrate me.
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Post by watchman on Jun 6, 2009 13:03:40 GMT -5
wait....anal sex is a sin? According to Joey, "not" if you're married. According to scripture, sodomy "is" a sin. (of any kind) Cities were leveled because of it. Yuk! #1 The sin of Sodom and Gammorah was inhospitality to strangers. #2 The anal sex they practiced was man on man. I agree YUK! |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 6, 2009 13:06:48 GMT -5
wait....anal sex is a sin? hahahaha ;D No if you are married and your husband has anal sex with you it is not sin. However cepha is talking about a women strapping on and giving anal sex to her husband. That has to be crossing some type of line dont ya think? Whoah! I NEVER mentioned the use of impliments in the act of sodomy! (and you talk about "me" being imaginative! illll!) A woman doesn't "need" an impliment to enter a man! I wasn't thinking anywhere NEAR what you just stated! First you put words in my mouth, now you're putting thoughts in my mind that were never there? "Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God." 1 Corinthians 6:9-11Sodomite –noun 1. an inhabitant of Sodom. 2. (lowercase) a person who engages in sodomy. |
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