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Post by watchman on May 31, 2009 22:44:06 GMT -5
Joey, Why does it go "visa versa"? I don't even know what that means in this context, lol. Oh, you asked what would I do if I found my wife masterbating, she does not need to masterbate, I will do that for her. |
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Post by emily445455 on May 31, 2009 22:46:49 GMT -5
Oh ok, that statement makes sense now.
But, would you be okay if you found out she did masterbate? What if it resulted in her not being interested in making love to you?
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Post by watchman on May 31, 2009 22:52:48 GMT -5
Oh ok, that statement makes sense now. But, would you be okay if you found out she did masterbate? What if it resulted in her not being interested in making love to you? Yes, I would be disappointed. No one ever wants to feel unwanted. Me and my wife have a very good relationship. No just or necessarily sexually speaking, but all the way around. We are best friends, we are each others accountability partners, prayer partners ect... |
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Post by teresahrc on May 31, 2009 22:55:43 GMT -5
I know you all are engaged in an "important" conversation, but can someone please pray for me? My prayer request is on the prayer section
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Post by emily445455 on May 31, 2009 22:56:07 GMT -5
That's how masterbation makes me feel. I mean when my husband used to do it. Unwanted, like I wasn't providing for him the way I should, etc. He knows this and feels the same about me.
How do you view masterbation? Like I view it as having sex with yourself....thus, the same as cheating on your spouse. How do you and your wife view masterbating?
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Post by watchman on May 31, 2009 22:59:12 GMT -5
That's how masterbation makes me feel. I mean when my husband used to do it. Unwanted, like I wasn't providing for him the way I should, etc. He knows this and feels the same about me. How do you view masterbation? Like I view it as having sex with yourself....thus, the same as cheating on your spouse. How do you and your wife view masterbating? No I do not think that we feel as strongly against it as you do, however niether one of us practice it, not since we have been married at least, which is going on 4 years. |
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Post by watchman on May 31, 2009 23:05:10 GMT -5
I know you all are engaged in an "important" conversation, but can someone please pray for me? My prayer request is on the prayer section Yes I saw it we will be praying |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 1, 2009 8:47:03 GMT -5
Joey, that may change if one of you starts  Heather, I didn't see it yet, but I will hop over there and read it. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 1, 2009 9:51:10 GMT -5
Nope, but I was not saved until I was 29, and after my Salvation I waited until marriage. Ahhh! So you're guilty of the exact same "act" you judge others for! Salvation or not, it was still "wrong" of you to not be a virgin when you were married for you to judge another who wasn't a virgin when they were married...sounds a lot like this (and notice how Christ makes no excuses about salvation when he says this): Matthew 7 1Judge not, that ye be not judged. Jesus never said that salvation removes culpability of sin. An unsaved sinner is equally as guilty as a saved sinner. God would not approve of either entering heaven if they were unrepentant. The repentant sinner is forgiven (both saved and unsaved). So, if God forgave her (as He forgave you), who are you to point out her sin? Again, back to the example of the woman caught in adultery forgiven by Jesus Christ (who by the way is not said to be a Christian in scripture). You were not a virgin when you were married. Therefore, the same judgement you meet out is used to judge you. Good luck when you meet Jesus and He treats you how you treat others. You sound just like the Pharisee in this passage right there: Luke 18:9-14 9 And he spake also this parable unto certain who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and set all others at nought:
10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as the rest of men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week; I give tithes of all that I get.
13 But the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote his breast, saying, God, be thou merciful to me a sinner.
14 I say unto you, This man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be humbled; but he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. You keep "boasting" about how "Christian" you are. Emily's humility will garner her favor over you in Heaven. "sounds like"? You keep assuming what her state of mind was. Who you've been with "after" you got married doesn't automatically erase who you've been with "before" you got married. You still weren't a virgin when you married her. And you were saved when you married her (if I'm correct). By the same standards that you judge others, you are wrong. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 1, 2009 9:52:36 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I'm not even sure why I'm posting this (maybe some person unknown to me needs to hear it) but actually masturbation is a homosexual sin.  Where in the world did you get that idea from? Common sense...the person who masterbates is having same-sex "sex". |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 1, 2009 9:55:40 GMT -5
Joey- I really did not want to explain myself to you...but I guess I will. It was not a once in awhile sin, it was a sin my now husband and I did on a regular basis. I could not seem to stop...sexual sin before Christ Saved me was always a biiiggg struggle as well. I was so releaved when we got married. I have since repented many, many times and sometimes still cry over all the sins I commited against God both before and after Salvation. Hope that clears up the issue. Heather- what is "the deeds of the flesh"? And I wasn't talking about the pill, the shot, the patch, etc...I was talking about condoms. Whoahhhh! Look at that! She's more in line with Christian teaching than you were Joey! LOL! That's what you get for judging and for trying to take the speck out of someone else's eye having a log in your own!  |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 1, 2009 9:59:51 GMT -5
#1 Yes it clears it up, and I do apologize for assuming you thought it was O.K. It was never your place to "assume" anything in the first place. She expressed her regret. She stated her position on her act, so there is no excuse. Enjoy your nice big slice of...  |
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Post by watchman on Jun 1, 2009 10:04:09 GMT -5
Nope, but I was not saved until I was 29, and after my Salvation I waited until marriage. Ahhh! So you're guilty of the exact same "act" you judge others for! You are wrong once again. First of all I was not judging i was questioning, and secondly there is a big difference between a sinner doing something and someone who claims the name of Christ doing it. You asks that i let it go, yet you will not even when the conversation has moved on. Now that is judging someone and then doing the same thing. You are the hypocrite in this scenario.  |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 1, 2009 10:04:42 GMT -5
I never said I thought you did. I view it as cheating, as basically sex with yourself. Yeah, I didn't think anyone was accusing me. I just wanted to state it, before I said that I didn't see it as a sin, unless your mind is on someone other than your wife. Wait, so you're saying you could sexually relieve yourself as long as you fantasize about your own wife? That is then objectifying your wife!  And, masterbating to her! |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 1, 2009 10:08:01 GMT -5
Joey, would you be okay if you found out your wife masterbated? I think he would...as long as she told him she was thinking about him!  Eee-uuuu! This conversation is sooo creepy!  |
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Post by watchman on Jun 1, 2009 10:17:29 GMT -5
Yes it was a little creepy, however I have nothing to hide, nor to be ashamed of.
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Post by Cepha on Jun 1, 2009 10:19:09 GMT -5
Joey, Why does it go "visa versa"? I don't even know what that means in this context, lol. Oh, you asked what would I do if I found my wife masterbating, she does not need to masterbate, I will do that for her.  |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 1, 2009 10:29:09 GMT -5
Ahhh! So you're guilty of the exact same "act" you judge others for! You are wrong once again. First of all I was not judging i was questioning, and secondly there is a big difference between a sinner doing something and someone who claims the name of Christ doing it. You asks that i let it go, yet you will not even when the conversation has moved on. Now that is judging someone and then doing the same thing. You are the hypocrite in this scenario. You let it go? Really? And...I'm not judging you for judging her. And if you "think" you weren't judging here by those nasty little comments you made, then your definition of "judgement" is about as off as the rest of the definitions you've invented for yourself to justifiy your beliefs and behavior. Doesn't surprise me one bit. Not judging, questioning? Yeah right, and I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale...interested? LOL! |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 1, 2009 10:33:52 GMT -5
Yes it was a little creepy, however I have nothing to hide, nor to be ashamed of. I am soooo over the discussion! Yuck! Go ahead, be proud of masterbating in your wife's image.  |
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Post by watchman on Jun 1, 2009 10:34:10 GMT -5
Yes judging me for ''judging'' her is very hypocritical, and bringing ti up when the two of us are way past it only proves your motives were not pure to protect your sister in Christ, but to attack me at any chance you get, for anything you can. You have exposed yourself for who you really are.
Further more anything I said was justified in that she said she was doing these things after she had ''gotten saved''. However she says she is now married and has repented. that is when the conversation should have ended. I doubt she appreciates you for keep bring it up.
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