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Post by watchman on Jun 1, 2009 10:36:42 GMT -5
Yes it was a little creepy, however I have nothing to hide, nor to be ashamed of. I am soooo over the discussion! Yuck! Go ahead, be proud of masterbating in your wife's image.  If you had really read this thread you would see neither I nor my wife masterbate at all. Some people see what they want to see and block out the rest.  |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 1, 2009 10:36:52 GMT -5
Yes judging me for ''judging'' her is very hypocritical, and bringing ti up when the two of us are way past it only proves your motives were not pure to protect your sister in Christ, but to attack me at any chance you get, for anything you can. You have exposed yourself for who you really are. I am going to ride you like a horsey! And! I am responding to the posts as they are since the time I left! She forgave you? Fine. Not my business. I'm just responding to what I read and it NEVER changed what you wrote. And I have every right to speak on it as this is a "public forum". And you know what I exposed? How insensitive you are and judgemental you are and how insulting you are. I'm sure you'd like for all this to blow over, but that'll happen when you stop responding to me on the matter. Period. You blew up her sin and then you get your shorts in a bunch when you're called out on it? Then, don't do it. Period. And now you're even attempting to judge what my intent is? Same M.O. Watchman...thou assumeth too much. That's what ended up getting you humiliated by Em resulting in your having to apologize to her...you insinuations. LOL! There you go again! Who in the Hades gave you the authority (justification) to say what you said about her? Are you serious? You really believe that? You probably really do feel as if what you said is "justified". And, the only thing I'm bringing up is you and what you said. You're the one who keeps bringing Em into this. Giddy Up!  You to Em..."Yeah, I can, I guess those dots lead back to your OSAS live as I want God will turn a blind eye to my sin belief."
"This is your reaction to CC cursing, but you think premarital sex is O.K. that kind of a double standard don't ya think?" |
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Post by watchman on Jun 1, 2009 10:40:48 GMT -5
Yes judging me for ''judging'' her is very hypocritical, and bringing ti up when the two of us are way past it only proves your motives were not pure to protect your sister in Christ, but to attack me at any chance you get, for anything you can. You have exposed yourself for who you really are. Further more anything I said was justified in that she said she was doing these things after she had ''gotten saved''. However she says she is now married and has repented. that is when the conversation should have ended. I doubt she appreciates you for keep bring it up. You to Em... "Yeah, I can, I guess those dots lead back to your OSAS live as I want God will turn a blind eye to my sin belief." That is right for anyone to believe they can live in Chronic sin (which fornication is) and still be saved, comes from being brought up or at some point taught the false doctrine of OSAS. However this conversation should have been over when she said she is now married and repentant. Why do you feel the need to continue it? |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 1, 2009 10:47:01 GMT -5
I am soooo over the discussion! Yuck! Go ahead, be proud of masterbating in your wife's image. If you had really read this thread you would see neither I nor my wife masterbate at all. Some people see what they want to see and block out the rest. I know you said that, but you also said that it was ok to masterbate while fantasizing about your own wife and vice versa, right? So, don't assume I didn't read what you wrote just because you misunderstood me. I knew exactly what I meant when I wrote what "I" wrote. You said it's ok to do yourself as long as you think about your wife, right?  |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 1, 2009 10:49:00 GMT -5
You to Em... "Yeah, I can, I guess those dots lead back to your OSAS live as I want God will turn a blind eye to my sin belief." That is right for anyone to believe they can live in Chronic sin (which fornication is) and still be saved, comes from being brought up or at some point taught the false doctrine of OSAS. However this conversation should have been over when she said she is now married and repentant. Why do you feel the need to continue it? Again, you continue to talk about her. Our exchange (mine and yours) is about your judgement "of" her! Stop diverting the focus from yourself to her. I have no problem with what she said, but with what you said. Now, let's not lose focus on how you feel you have the right to judge people... |
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Post by watchman on Jun 1, 2009 10:49:20 GMT -5
If you had really read this thread you would see neither I nor my wife masterbate at all. Some people see what they want to see and block out the rest. I know you said that, but you also said that it was ok to masterbate while fantasizing about your own wife and vice versa, right? So, don't assume I read what you wrote. I knew exactly what I meant when I wrote what "I" wrote. You said it's ok to do yourself as long as you think about your wife, right? Yes I do not believe it is a sin if someone masterbate if thinking about their wife. However I do not masterbate. I haven't since I got married in 05 |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 1, 2009 10:50:53 GMT -5
I know you said that, but you also said that it was ok to masterbate while fantasizing about your own wife and vice versa, right? So, don't assume I read what you wrote. I knew exactly what I meant when I wrote what "I" wrote. You said it's ok to do yourself as long as you think about your wife, right? Yes I do not believe it is a sin if someone masterbate if thinking about their wife. However I do not masterbate. I haven't since I got married in 05 Is that a "biblically" based belief? That it's ok to masterbate if you change the focus of the masterbation? |
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Post by watchman on Jun 1, 2009 10:51:47 GMT -5
"This is your reaction to CC cursing, but you think premarital sex is O.K. that kind of a double standard don't ya think?" [/color][/quote]This is also true, someone cannot jump on someone for cursing yet believe fornication is perfectly fine. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 1, 2009 10:56:09 GMT -5
"This is your reaction to CC cursing, but you think premarital sex is O.K. that kind of a double standard don't ya think?" [/color][/quote]This is also true, someone cannot jump on someone for cursing yet believe fornication is perfectly fine.[/quote] Oh, but they can jump on someone for having sex before marriage even though they weren't a virgin themselves?
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Post by watchman on Jun 1, 2009 10:58:16 GMT -5
Yes I do not believe it is a sin if someone masterbate if thinking about their wife. However I do not masterbate. I haven't since I got married in 05 Is that a "biblically" based belief? That it's ok to masterbate if you change the focus of the masterbation? Yes. Matthew 5
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one ofIf you are looking at your wife and not lusting after another woman then you eye has not offended you, and if you use your right hand thinking on your wife and not lusting after another woman then your right hand has not offended you. It is not sin to fantasize about your spouse, no more than it is to have relations with them. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 1, 2009 10:58:46 GMT -5
For a man to "discharge" outside of a woman is unclean.
How can it be "ok" to be unclean in God's eyes?
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Post by watchman on Jun 1, 2009 10:59:36 GMT -5
This is also true, someone cannot jump on someone for cursing yet believe fornication is perfectly fine. Oh, but they can jump on someone for having sex before marriage even though they weren't a virgin themselves?
Yeah...sure... Yes, because I was not claiming Christ when I was living in sin. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 1, 2009 10:59:54 GMT -5
Is that a "biblically" based belief? That it's ok to masterbate if you change the focus of the masterbation? Yes. Matthew 5
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one ofIf you are looking at your wife and not lusting after another woman then you eye has not offended you, and if you use your right hand thinking on your wife and not lusting after another woman then your right hand has not offended you. It is not sin to fantasize about your spouse, no more than it is to have relations with them. We're talking about doing yourself to her image. And lust period is a sin. You're not supposed to lust after your own wife! |
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Post by watchman on Jun 1, 2009 11:00:40 GMT -5
For a man to "discharge" outside of a woman is unclean.
How can it be "ok" to be unclean in God's eyes? Chapter verse? |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 1, 2009 11:00:44 GMT -5
Oh, but they can jump on someone for having sex before marriage even though they weren't a virgin themselves?
Yeah...sure... Yes, because I was not claiming Christ when I was living in sin. Wait a minute, you said that it's ok to judge someone else just because you didn't do what they did? Sounds JUST like The Pharisee and the Publican! |
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Post by watchman on Jun 1, 2009 11:01:50 GMT -5
Yes. Matthew 5
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one ofIf you are looking at your wife and not lusting after another woman then you eye has not offended you, and if you use your right hand thinking on your wife and not lusting after another woman then your right hand has not offended you. It is not sin to fantasize about your spouse, no more than it is to have relations with them. We're talking about doing yourself to here image. And lust period is a sin. You're not supposed to lust after your own wife! Lust is an evil desire, desiring your wife is not evil There is nothing wrong with desiring your own wife. |
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Post by watchman on Jun 1, 2009 11:04:53 GMT -5
Yes, because I was not claiming Christ when I was living in sin. Wait a minute, you said that it's ok to judge someone else just because you didn't do what they did? Sounds JUST like The Pharisee and the Publican! I sound like I am following the instructions of the Apostle Paul. 1st Cor 5
9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.We as the Church are to judge those within the Church God will judge those that are without. |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 1, 2009 11:44:03 GMT -5
Eee-uuuu! This conversation is sooo creepy!  Lol, I've figured out I am a very open person when it comes to things like this...and they don't gross me out at all. Well unless someone shares the intimate gross details. |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 1, 2009 11:45:48 GMT -5
Joey, I rrrreeeeeaaaaalllllyyyy hope you never have to struggle with living in sin and feel the pain I felt. You definitly wouldn't be so quick to say the things you're saying.
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Post by watchman on Jun 1, 2009 11:54:58 GMT -5
Joey, I rrrreeeeeaaaaalllllyyyy hope you never have to struggle with living in sin and feel the pain I felt. You definitly wouldn't be so quick to say the things you're saying. We all have our struggles, and we should be compassionate to others, but we as Christians must stand firm in the truth calling sin what it is. Not overlooking them. Ephesians 5
10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. |
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