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Post by emily445455 on Jun 1, 2009 11:59:03 GMT -5
If I was living in sin now...I would expect my fellow Christians to call me on it. Not sins I commited in the past.
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Post by watchman on Jun 1, 2009 12:02:10 GMT -5
If I was living in sin now...I would expect my fellow Christians to call me on it. Not sins I commited in the past. I agree, and I was under the impression that you thought premarital sex was O.K. I have apologized for that why cepha continues to bring it up, beating a dead horse is beyond me. Maybe you should ask him yourself? |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 1, 2009 12:04:08 GMT -5
I have a feeling it's just because he wasn't on the last couple of days. That's why asking questions is always better than making statements  |
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Post by watchman on Jun 1, 2009 12:07:30 GMT -5
I have a feeling it's just because he wasn't on the last couple of days. That's why asking questions is always better than making statements  |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 8:10:20 GMT -5
For a man to "discharge" outside of a woman is unclean.
How can it be "ok" to be unclean in God's eyes? Chapter verse?
1 And the LORD spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘When any man has a discharge from his body, his discharge is unclean. 3 And this shall be his uncleanness in regard to his discharge—whether his body runs with his discharge, or his body is stopped up by his discharge, it is his uncleanness. 4 Every bed is unclean on which he who has the discharge lies, and everything on which he sits shall be unclean. 5 And whoever touches his bed shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, and be unclean until evening. 6 He who sits on anything on which he who has the discharge sat shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, and be unclean until evening. 7 And he who touches the body of him who has the discharge shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, and be unclean until evening. 8 If he who has the discharge spits on him who is clean, then he shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, and be unclean until evening. 9 Any saddle on which he who has the discharge rides shall be unclean. 10 Whoever touches anything that was under him shall be unclean until evening. He who carries any of those things shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, and be unclean until evening. 11 And whomever the one who has the discharge touches, and has not rinsed his hands in water, he shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, and be unclean until evening. 12 The vessel of earth that he who has the discharge touches shall be broken, and every vessel of wood shall be rinsed in water.
13 ‘And when he who has a discharge is cleansed of his discharge, then he shall count for himself seven days for his cleansing, wash his clothes, and bathe his body in running water; then he shall be clean. 14 On the eighth day he shall take for himself two turtledoves or two young pigeons, and come before the LORD, to the door of the tabernacle of meeting, and give them to the priest. 15 Then the priest shall offer them, the one as a sin offering and the other as a burnt offering. So the priest shall make atonement for him before the LORD because of his discharge.
16 ‘If any man has an emission of semen, then he shall wash all his body in water, and be unclean until evening. 17 And any garment and any leather on which there is semen, it shall be washed with water, and be unclean until evening. 18 Also, when a woman lies with a man, and there is an emission of semen, they shall bathe in water, and be unclean until evening.
19 ‘If a woman has a discharge, and the discharge from her body is blood, she shall be set apart seven days; and whoever touches her shall be unclean until evening. 20 Everything that she lies on during her impurity shall be unclean; also everything that she sits on shall be unclean. 21 Whoever touches her bed shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, and be unclean until evening. 22 And whoever touches anything that she sat on shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, and be unclean until evening. 23 If anything is on her bed or on anything on which she sits, when he touches it, he shall be unclean until evening. 24 And if any man lies with her at all, so that her impurity is on him, he shall be unclean seven days; and every bed on which he lies shall be unclean.
25 ‘If a woman has a discharge of blood for many days, other than at the time of her customary impurity, or if it runs beyond her usual time of impurity, all the days of her unclean discharge shall be as the days of her customary impurity. She shall be unclean. 26 Every bed on which she lies all the days of her discharge shall be to her as the bed of her impurity; and whatever she sits on shall be unclean, as the uncleanness of her impurity. 27 Whoever touches those things shall be unclean; he shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, and be unclean until evening.
28 ‘But if she is cleansed of her discharge, then she shall count for herself seven days, and after that she shall be clean. 29 And on the eighth day she shall take for herself two turtledoves or two young pigeons, and bring them to the priest, to the door of the tabernacle of meeting. 30 Then the priest shall offer the one as a sin offering and the other as a burnt offering, and the priest shall make atonement for her before the LORD for the discharge of her uncleanness.
31 ‘Thus you shall separate the children of Israel from their uncleanness, lest they die in their uncleanness when they defile My tabernacle that is among them. 32 This is the law for one who has a discharge, and for him who emits semen and is unclean thereby, 33 and for her who is indisposed because of her customary impurity, and for one who has a discharge, either man or woman, and for him who lies with her who is unclean.’” |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 8:21:53 GMT -5
Wait a minute, you said that it's ok to judge someone else just because you didn't do what they did? Sounds JUST like The Pharisee and the Publican! I sound like I am following the instructions of the Apostle Paul. 1st Cor 5
9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.We as the Church are to judge those within the Church God will judge those that are without. You just flipped flopped. First you said you dont' judge, now you "justify" judging those within the your own church, but Emily is not in your own church. 2ndly, I guess you'll never judge The Catholic Church anymore since you don't consider us members of your church now? LOL! The longer I keep you talking, the less arguing I have to do with you. You prove you wrong enough for me! LOL!  |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 8:28:29 GMT -5
We're talking about doing yourself to here image. And lust period is a sin. You're not supposed to lust after your own wife! Lust is an evil desire, desiring your wife is not evil There is nothing wrong with desiring your own wife. Lust is desiring something so much that you masterbate to it. Desire is not a sin, lust is. Masterbation is not the result of desire. It is the result of LUST!  |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 8:32:24 GMT -5
Eee-uuuu! This conversation is sooo creepy!  Lol, I've figured out I am a very open person when it comes to things like this...and they don't gross me out at all. Well unless someone shares the intimate gross details. Lol! That's what the Eee-uuu part was for! I can talk about anything as long as I'm spared the intimate details. ;D |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 8:34:18 GMT -5
Joey, I rrrreeeeeaaaaalllllyyyy hope you never have to struggle with living in sin and feel the pain I felt. You definitly wouldn't be so quick to say the things you're saying. Amen to that. I myself was literally pulled out of the depths of sin. I've been with over 250 women sexually. Luckily, my body was spared any afflictions. That's why I'm celibate today. In a way, it's such a blessing to have experienced all that because I'm so grateful now for what I have (my health). |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 8:44:18 GMT -5
If I was living in sin now...I would expect my fellow Christians to call me on it. Not sins I commited in the past. Exactly! Once Jesus forgives a person's since, they are gone period and no mortal man has the right to question a person or judge them on their state of sin ever. It's ok to reach out to someone and to point out their faults in charity, but not to question them or even their personal intent(s). |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 8:46:03 GMT -5
I have a feeling it's just because he wasn't on the last couple of days. That's why asking questions is always better than making statements That's exactly why I'm supposedly "beating a dead horse", because as far as I'm concerned, the horse isn't dead yet. My conversation skips a couple of days at a time. ;D |
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 9:19:48 GMT -5
Leviticus 15The Law Concerning Bodily Discharges
1 And the LORD spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘When any man has a discharge from his body, his discharge is unclean. 3 And this shall be his uncleanness in regard to his discharge—whether his body runs with his discharge, or his body is stopped up by his discharge, it is his uncleanness. 4 Every bed is unclean on which he who has the discharge lies, and everything on which he sits shall be unclean. 5 And whoever touches his bed shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, and be unclean until evening. 6 He who sits on anything on which he who has the discharge sat shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, and be unclean until evening. 7 And he who touches the body of him who has the discharge shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, and be unclean until evening. 8 If he who has the discharge spits on him who is clean, then he shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, and be unclean until evening. 9 Any saddle on which he who has the discharge rides shall be unclean. 10 Whoever touches anything that was under him shall be unclean until evening. He who carries any of those things shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, and be unclean until evening. 11 And whomever the one who has the discharge touches, and has not rinsed his hands in water, he shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, and be unclean until evening. 12 The vessel of earth that he who has the discharge touches shall be broken, and every vessel of wood shall be rinsed in water.
13 ‘And when he who has a discharge is cleansed of his discharge, then he shall count for himself seven days for his cleansing, wash his clothes, and bathe his body in running water; then he shall be clean. 14 On the eighth day he shall take for himself two turtledoves or two young pigeons, and come before the LORD, to the door of the tabernacle of meeting, and give them to the priest. 15 Then the priest shall offer them, the one as a sin offering and the other as a burnt offering. So the priest shall make atonement for him before the LORD because of his discharge.
16 ‘If any man has an emission of semen, then he shall wash all his body in water, and be unclean until evening. 17 And any garment and any leather on which there is semen, it shall be washed with water, and be unclean until evening. 18 Also, when a woman lies with a man, and there is an emission of semen, they shall bathe in water, and be unclean until evening.
19 ‘If a woman has a discharge, and the discharge from her body is blood, she shall be set apart seven days; and whoever touches her shall be unclean until evening. 20 Everything that she lies on during her impurity shall be unclean; also everything that she sits on shall be unclean. 21 Whoever touches her bed shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, and be unclean until evening. 22 And whoever touches anything that she sat on shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, and be unclean until evening. 23 If anything is on her bed or on anything on which she sits, when he touches it, he shall be unclean until evening. 24 And if any man lies with her at all, so that her impurity is on him, he shall be unclean seven days; and every bed on which he lies shall be unclean.
25 ‘If a woman has a discharge of blood for many days, other than at the time of her customary impurity, or if it runs beyond her usual time of impurity, all the days of her unclean discharge shall be as the days of her customary impurity. She shall be unclean. 26 Every bed on which she lies all the days of her discharge shall be to her as the bed of her impurity; and whatever she sits on shall be unclean, as the uncleanness of her impurity. 27 Whoever touches those things shall be unclean; he shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, and be unclean until evening.
28 ‘But if she is cleansed of her discharge, then she shall count for herself seven days, and after that she shall be clean. 29 And on the eighth day she shall take for herself two turtledoves or two young pigeons, and bring them to the priest, to the door of the tabernacle of meeting. 30 Then the priest shall offer the one as a sin offering and the other as a burnt offering, and the priest shall make atonement for her before the LORD for the discharge of her uncleanness.
31 ‘Thus you shall separate the children of Israel from their uncleanness, lest they die in their uncleanness when they defile My tabernacle that is among them. 32 This is the law for one who has a discharge, and for him who emits semen and is unclean thereby, 33 and for her who is indisposed because of her customary impurity, and for one who has a discharge, either man or woman, and for him who lies with her who is unclean.’” This was halarious You know as well as I do (or should know) That we are not under the Levitical Jewish Civil Law. I guess I shouldn't round the corners of my beard either? Leviticus 19:27 Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard. LOL or eat pork or shrimp ect... You do go to far sometimes cepha....good try though hmmm I guess ;D |
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 9:21:42 GMT -5
Lust is an evil desire, desiring your wife is not evil There is nothing wrong with desiring your own wife. Lust is desiring something so much that you masterbate to it. Desire is not a sin, lust is. Masterbation is not the result of desire. It is the result of LUST! hahahaha this makes me laugh, give one of those famous definition to defend this absurd statement. There is nothing lustful about desiring ones spouse. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 9:22:20 GMT -5
This was halarious You know as well as I do (or should know) That we are not under the Levitical Jewish Civil Law. I guess I shouldn't round the corners of my beard either? Leviticus 19:27 Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard. LOL or eat pork or shrimp ect... You do go to far sometimes cepha....good try though hmmm I guess ;D Pork and Shrimp was addressed with Saint Peter in the books of Acts...but bodily discharges never were addressed meaning that this part of scripture is still to be held as truthful. Now, do you still see bodily discharges as "clean" or as The Bible refers to them...as "unclean"?  Matthew 5:17"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets;
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 9:27:23 GMT -5
Lust is desiring something so much that you masterbate to it. Desire is not a sin, lust is. Masterbation is not the result of desire. It is the result of LUST! hahahaha this makes me laugh, give one of those famous definition to defend this absurd statement. There is nothing lustful about desiring ones spouse. I wrote "desiring something so much that you masterbate to it", not just desiring one's spouse. Big difference. I never wrote that it was lustful to desire one's spouse, just that releasing unclean bodily discharges while you fantasized about her was. That is lust that drives a man to force himself to release unclean discharges to the image and objectification of the gift that God gave him (the wife). That is literally abusing the gift of a wife. I would never lust after my wife if I had one. |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 2, 2009 9:44:20 GMT -5
Steven, actually I am part of Joey's Church....and, I believe, Christians are supposed to rebuke one other. We are also supposed to judge in the sense that....if they are not leading a Biblical life or their church isn't teaching the Word, we are too rebuke them and set them back on track. Not judge them like "I'm better than you, you are going to hell". But both rebuke and judgement are both good, in the BIblical sense.
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 10:11:49 GMT -5
Steven, actually I am part of Joey's Church.... How could you be a part of Joey's church when even he isn't part of his church? He has no affiliation to that church. ;D Rebuke means to turn away from a person when they are doing wrong. I agree with that. Rebuking comes after all previous warnings have gone unheeded. Therefore, by the time you rebuke them, you are to turn from them forever. Or, until they repent. That is different than what Joey did to you. He pointed out your personal sins while judging your "Christianitiness". And remember, he doesn't include himself as a member of "your" church so by your own standards, he couldn't even rebuke or pass that judgement on you. Now, in my Church, we are taught that we are nobody to judge one another, to question one another's Christianitiness or to even consider it. We are taught that we all have personal relationships with God and that God is the judge and questioner of all that. We use the Biblical standard of rebuking...approach the brother or sister in private first, then if they don't listen, we approach with other members and if they don't listen then, we approach with the whole Church. But we as individuals cannot call out another's sin or judge them or question them on it. We are in line with Biblical teaching on this. |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 2, 2009 10:31:49 GMT -5
Joey and I and you are all born-again Christians are part of the Church. Rebuke means to tell them they are wrong and show them why. I think maybe Joey was trying to Biblically judge me...he just did it kind of wrong. Which is okay, live and learn.
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 12:01:05 GMT -5
This was halarious You know as well as I do (or should know) That we are not under the Levitical Jewish Civil Law. I guess I shouldn't round the corners of my beard either? Leviticus 19:27 Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard. LOL or eat pork or shrimp ect... You do go to far sometimes cepha....good try though hmmm I guess ;D Pork and Shrimp was addressed with Saint Peter in the books of Acts...but bodily discharges never were addressed meaning that this part of scripture is still to be held as truthful. Now, do you still see bodily discharges as "clean" or as The Bible refers to them...as "unclean"? Matthew 5:17"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets;
I did not come to abolish but to fulfill."Enough said  |
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 12:02:52 GMT -5
The longer I keep you talking, the less arguing I have to do with you. You prove you wrong enough for me! Actually I continually prove YOU wrong, your just too duuhhh, to see it.  |
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