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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 13:32:08 GMT -5
The sooner you do, the sooner the rest of Scripture will make sense to you. Scripture is alive to me you are the one that is having trouble decifering the truth. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 13:35:12 GMT -5
Now, back to proving that bodily discharges are now deemed "clean". That is part of the Livitical Law, which we are not burdened with. Acts 15
19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. ;D Yeah, I noticed how you skipped verses and parsed only what you wanted to use...let's look at allllll of Acts 15, shall we? Let's see what their actually talking about (circumcision): Acts 15Conflict over Circumcision
1 And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 Therefore, when Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and dispute with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas and certain others of them should go up to Jerusalem, to the apostles and elders, about this question.
3 So, being sent on their way by the church, they passed through Phoenicia and Samaria, describing the conversion of the Gentiles; and they caused great joy to all the brethren. 4 And when they had come to Jerusalem, they were received by the church and the apostles and the elders; and they reported all things that God had done with them. 5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.”
The Jerusalem Council
6 Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter. 7 And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they.”
12 Then all the multitude kept silent and listened to Barnabas and Paul declaring how many miracles and wonders God had worked through them among the Gentiles. 13 And after they had become silent, James answered, saying, “Men and brethren, listen to me: 14 Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name. 15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written:
16 ‘ After this I will return
And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down;
I will rebuild its ruins,
And I will set it up;
17 So that the rest of mankind may seek the LORD,
Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name,
Says the LORD who does all these things.’
18 “Known to God from eternity are all His works.[c] 19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, 20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality,[d]from things strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”
The Jerusalem Decree
22 Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas who was also named Barsabas,[e] and Silas, leading men among the brethren.
23 They wrote this, letter by them:
The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”[f]—to whom we gave no such commandment— 25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.[g] If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.
Farewell.
Continuing Ministry in Syria
30 So when they were sent off, they came to Antioch; and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the letter. 31 When they had read it, they rejoiced over its encouragement. 32 Now Judas and Silas, themselves being prophets also, exhorted and strengthened the brethren with many words. 33 And after they had stayed there for a time, they were sent back with greetings from the brethren to the apostles.[h]
34 However, it seemed good to Silas to remain there. 35 Paul and Barnabas also remained in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord, with many others also.
Division over John Mark
36 Then after some days Paul said to Barnabas, “Let us now go back and visit our brethren in every city where we have preached the word of the Lord, and see how they are doing.” 37 Now Barnabas was determined to take with them John called Mark. 38 But Paul insisted that they should not take with them the one who had departed from them in Pamphylia, and had not gone with them to the work. 39 Then the contention became so sharp that they parted from one another. And so Barnabas took Mark and sailed to Cyprus; 40 but Paul chose Silas and departed, being commended by the brethren to the grace of God. 41 And he went through Syria and Cilicia, strengthening the churches.I already did, but you missed it I guess... Leviticus 15 16 ‘If any man has an emission of semen, then he shall wash all his body in water, and be unclean until evening. 17 And any garment and any leather on which there is semen, it shall be washed with water, and be unclean until evening. Now, if you read verse 18 (too keep things in context), it goes on to say "also..." with regards to a man being with a woman meaning that what came before it takes place without a lieing with a woman (masterbation): 18 Also, when a woman lies with a man, and there is an emission of semen, they shall bathe in water, and be unclean until evening. So, it is clear that discharging semem outside of the woman makes a man unclean. But The Bible goes further in depth including nocturnal emissions: Deuteronomy 23:1010"(If there is among you any man who is unclean because of a nocturnal emission, then he must go outside the camp; he may not reenter the camp. The spilling of seed outside of a woman makes the man unclean. |
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 13:36:08 GMT -5
Give it up you lost, WOW some people.  |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 13:37:48 GMT -5
Give it up you lost, WOW some people. That's it? You're not going to respond to the scriptures I posted stating that for a man to have an emission outside of a woman is unclean?  |
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 13:38:51 GMT -5
Give it up you lost, WOW some people. That's it? You're not going to respond to the scriptures I posted stating that for a man to have an emission outside of a woman is unclean? No I have already proving you wrong, I see no need to continue this conversation. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 13:43:10 GMT -5
That's it? You're not going to respond to the scriptures I posted stating that for a man to have an emission outside of a woman is unclean? No I have already proving you wrong, I see no need to continue this conversation. Of course you don't...you asked for scriptures, I provided them, I could see how you'd want to quit. ;D |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 13:50:10 GMT -5
The sooner you do, the sooner the rest of Scripture will make sense to you. Scripture is alive to me you are the one that is having trouble decifering the truth. Really? You're the one who denies this: Matthew 5: 17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. |
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 13:54:01 GMT -5
I do not deny that Jesus fulfilled the law, but I do deny it is my duty to.
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
And I could find 20 more scriptures just like this one the fact is you are wrong, give it up. I do not know why you continue to embarrass yourself after you realize you have been defeated.
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 13:56:11 GMT -5
[That means that you cannot only not discharge but you MUST keep all 613 levitical laws which include not eating pork, shrimp or shaving. Where does it state this scripturally (that there we are either to accept all laws or none at all)? Again, off topic. We're talking about bodily discharges. Yes, that was addressed, but that doesn't mean that bodily discharges are automatically clean. With your reasoning, the fact that some issues are addressed in scriptures automatically discount every other issue and reverse every single law in the complete opposite direction. Is that what you are stating here by default? Gentiles never were...When that was said, Jews were being addressed..."Messianic" Jews. Taken in context, you have to refer that to whom it was being said to. Not everything that is stated in scripture is for everyone, although one thing is for sure...The Law is written on everyman's heart and it is in effect until Jesus returns. With that, there is no nullification of it except those issues that are specifically addressed within scripture. There is no "take it or leave" it theology to The Law. I'm sure you would love to quit even without addressing the scriptures that counter what you believe, but ain't gonna happen. ;D |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 13:59:39 GMT -5
I do not deny that Jesus fulfilled the law, but I do deny it is my duty to. Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.And I could find 20 more scriptures just like this one the fact is you are wrong, give it up. I do not know why you continue to embarrass yourself after you realize you have been defeated. This is good! Now, what "law" is Paul referring to here! Are you trying to say "The Law" of God? Why didn't you use Romans 6:15 right after that? 15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 14:02:09 GMT -5
And I could find 20 more scriptures just like this one the fact is you are wrong, give it up. I do not know why you continue to embarrass yourself after you realize you have been defeated. Keep them coming and I'll keep putting them in context and I'll keep showing how you chop up verses and combine non-related verses to create new beliefs! LOL! Please, keep them coming! But I'll guarantee you this...you will not find one verse (and that's all it takes) to state that bodily discharge is now all of a sudden considered "clean". All these unrelated scriptures won't say it. Just find the one that addresses bodily discharge. You're trying really hard, but you're going in the wrong direction (on purpose maybe?). ;D |
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 14:10:43 GMT -5
I do not deny that Jesus fulfilled the law, but I do deny it is my duty to. Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.And I could find 20 more scriptures just like this one the fact is you are wrong, give it up. I do not know why you continue to embarrass yourself after you realize you have been defeated. This is good! Now, what "law" is Paul referring to here! Are you trying to say "The Law" of God? Why didn't you use Romans 6:15 right after that? 15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! O.K. show where is say pulling out is sin, and I do not mean the Levitical law because we know we do not need to keep it because the food laws have been change and also the shaving laws and many many more there is no reason to assume we must keep a single livitical law if we are not to keep them all. |
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 14:12:59 GMT -5
You have been defeated anyone who reads this thread will see for themselves.
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 14:15:12 GMT -5
If Gentiles never were and still are not under the Livitical Law then what is your point supposed to be. You quoting the Livitical Law to a Gentile seems pretty pointless huh? |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 3, 2009 20:42:22 GMT -5
This whole thread is a downward spiral of ridiculousness and may I add--grossness!
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 3, 2009 21:30:37 GMT -5
Why is it ridiculous, heather?
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 3, 2009 21:57:26 GMT -5
Lately I've been watching The Duggars. Wow, what an awesome family...I'd so love to meet them. They have such tremendous faith...and it shows! They have 18 children (well 17 now because one got married and moved out) and seem to have plenty of money and time to care for all of them. It's amazing. I wish I had that kind of faith.
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 3, 2009 22:10:43 GMT -5
I agree, they do have amazing faith. I have seen that show before and after I watched it I thought "why did I think 3 kids was hard?" I would love to have more kids... I don't know about 18. Maybe 18 grand-kids one day. I also really hope to one day either adopt a bunch of kids or run an orphanage.
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 3, 2009 22:13:27 GMT -5
Emily, you asked why it is ridiculous? Haven't you read half of these posts! LOL.
FEMA has an acronym for this thread-- SLUDGEM
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 3, 2009 22:17:41 GMT -5
Nah I haven't read most of them. But I think the topic of masterbation is a pretty serious one...it is to my husband, myself, and our church at least.
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