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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 12:07:57 GMT -5
:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.Enough said  You didn't answer my question... Now, do you still see bodily discharges as "clean" or as The Bible refers to them...as "unclean"?The quote you are trying to use out of context is talking about food, not of bodily discharges.  |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 12:09:10 GMT -5
The longer I keep you talking, the less arguing I have to do with you. You prove you wrong enough for me! Actually I continually prove YOU wrong, your just too duuhhh, to see it.  You missed this question...did you not "see" that? Still waiting for that answer.  |
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 12:20:53 GMT -5
:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.Enough said You didn't answer my question... Now, do you still see bodily discharges as "clean" or as The Bible refers to them...as "unclean"?The quote you are trying to use out of context is talking about food, not of bodily discharges. The Bible answer the question for me. It is not unclean unless you believe it to be. And I no longer have to keep my hair and beard unrounded. |
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 12:22:21 GMT -5
Actually I continually prove YOU wrong, your just too duuhhh, to see it. You missed this question...did you not "see" that? Still waiting for that answer. If you consider speaking truth against fallacy judging then i will, because yes I will speak the truth. However I reserve Judgment for the Judge, as I am not Him. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 12:24:50 GMT -5
2ndly, I guess you'll never judge The Catholic Church anymore since you don't consider us members of your church now?You missed this question...did you not "see" that? Still waiting for that answer. If you consider speaking truth against fallacy judging then i will, because yes I will speak the truth. However I reserve Judgment for the Judge, as I am not Him. But the quote you yourself used stated that you are not supposed to judge those "outside" of what you believe to be the true church, right? So, since you believe Catholicism to be outside of the true church, you cannot judge them, right? |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 12:30:30 GMT -5
You didn't answer my question... Now, do you still see bodily discharges as "clean" or as The Bible refers to them...as "unclean"?The quote you are trying to use out of context is talking about food, not of bodily discharges. The Bible answer the question for me. It is not unclean unless you believe it to be. And I no longer have to keep my hair and beard unrounded. Ahhh! There it is, isn't it? You wrote "unless you believe it to be". So, you place the perogative on the reader. And, you attach a scripture that was talking about food to bodily discharges. That's apples and oranges. The Bible states in Leviticus that bodily discharges are unclean. I asked for your belief. You didn't either post a scripture that refers to bodily discharges (only to food) nor did you give me your own answer. You used a scripture as (supposedly) your answer, but it is irrelevant to the question asked. Let me make this really simple...do you personally believe that bodily discharges are clean or unclean? Yes _____ No _____ [The scripture you used only proves that you believe that the foods mentioned are either clean or unclean] |
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 12:31:31 GMT -5
If you consider speaking truth against fallacy judging then i will, because yes I will speak the truth. However I reserve Judgment for the Judge, as I am not Him. But the quote you yourself used stated that you are not supposed to judge those "outside" of what you believe to be the true church, right? So, since you believe Catholicism to be outside of the true church, you cannot judge them, right? I will not judge them. Lat me ask you this if you say homosexuality is sin, does that mean you are judging homosexuality? In the same since I can see the wrong in Catholicism without judging catholics, or the catholic church. |
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 12:32:58 GMT -5
The Bible answer the question for me. It is not unclean unless you believe it to be. And I no longer have to keep my hair and beard unrounded. Ahhh! There it is, isn't it? You wrote "unless you believe it to be". So, you place the perogative on the reader. And, you attach a scripture that was talking about food to bodily discharges. That's apples and oranges. Actually the scripture itself say unless you believe it to be unclean not me, the scripture it self said NOTHING was unclean not just this food or that food. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 12:34:12 GMT -5
But the quote you yourself used stated that you are not supposed to judge those "outside" of what you believe to be the true church, right? So, since you believe Catholicism to be outside of the true church, you cannot judge them, right? I will not judge them. That's good. ;D I don't say that homosexuality is a sin. Only God can make that call. You mean what "you" personally consider to be wrongs. No where in The Bible does it state that universal Christianity is wrong (although it does say that your brand of Christianity is wrong). But hey, that's just The Bible talking. I just happen to agree with it. ;D |
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 12:35:33 GMT -5
The Bible states in Leviticus that bodily discharges are unclean. The Bible in Leviticus also says it is wrong to cut your hair, to shave, to eat certain foods. You cannot pick and choose what to believe if you are going to live by the Levicitical Jewish Civil Law you must keep all 613 of them not just pull one out and try to use it to prove your false opinion. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 12:36:48 GMT -5
Ahhh! There it is, isn't it? You wrote "unless you believe it to be". So, you place the perogative on the reader. And, you attach a scripture that was talking about food to bodily discharges. That's apples and oranges. Actually the scripture itself say unless you believe it to be unclean not me, the scripture it self said NOTHING was unclean not just this food or that food. Yes...about food (it doesn't mention bodily discharges). And, again, that scripture taken in context literally refers to the food it was talking about: Here's the whole scripture: Romans 14 1 But him that is weak in faith receive ye, yet not for decision of scruples. 2 One man hath faith to eat all things: but he that is weak eateth herbs. 3 Let not him that eateth set at nought him that eateth not; and let not him that eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. 4 Who art thou that judgest the servant of another? to his own lord he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be made to stand; for the Lord hath power to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let each man be fully assured in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord: and he that eateth, eateth unto the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, unto the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7 For none of us liveth to himself, and none dieth to himself. 8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; or whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. 9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 But thou, why dost thou judge thy brother? or thou again, why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment-seat of God. 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, to me every knee shall bow, And every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then each one of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge ye this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock in his brother's way, or an occasion of falling. 14 I know, and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean of itself: save that to him who accounteth anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15 For if because of meat thy brother is grieved, thou walkest no longer in love. Destroy not with thy meat him for whom Christ died. 16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of: 17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. 18 For he that herein serveth Christ is well-pleasing to God, and approved of men. 19 So then let us follow after things which make for peace, and things whereby we may edify one another. 20 Overthrow not for meat's sake the work of God. All things indeed are clean; howbeit it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. 21 It is good not to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor to do anything whereby thy brother stumbleth. 22 The faith which thou hast, have thou to thyself before God. Happy is he that judgeth not himself in that which he approveth. 23 But he that doubteth is condemned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith; and whatsoever is not of faith is sin. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 12:38:30 GMT -5
The Bible states in Leviticus that bodily discharges are unclean. The Bible in Leviticus also says it is wrong to cut your hair, to shave, to eat certain foods. You cannot pick and choose what to believe if you are going to live by the Levicitical Jewish Civil Law you must keep all 613 of them not just pull one out and try to use it to prove your false opinion. Ok, but before we divert to other topics, let's stick with bodily discharges first. One step at a time. ;D Now, again, do you believe that bodily discharges (not food, not Jewish stuff) are clean or unclean? If they are clean, can you post scripture that states that bodily discharges are now to be considered clean by Christians? |
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 12:38:54 GMT -5
I don't say that homosexuality is a sin. Only God can make that call. And He has said, do you not believe Him. You claim materbation is sin, yet will not say homosexuality is. That seems awfully strange to me.  |
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 12:40:59 GMT -5
The Bible in Leviticus also says it is wrong to cut your hair, to shave, to eat certain foods. You cannot pick and choose what to believe if you are going to live by the Levicitical Jewish Civil Law you must keep all 613 of them not just pull one out and try to use it to prove your false opinion. Ok, but before we divert to other topics, let's stick with bodily discharges first. One step at a time. ;D Now, again, do you believe that bodily discharges (not food, not Jewish stuff) are clean or unclean? If they are clean, can you post scripture that states that bodily discharges are now to be considered clean by Christians? I believe that it is clean. I do not masterbate but I do ''pull out'' and I will continue to until God Himself tells me to stop. ;D If you think ''discharging'' is unclean then good luck keep the entire Jewish law. |
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 12:42:32 GMT -5
But hey, that's just The Bible talking. I just happen to agree with it. ;D You do not agree with the Bible or you could openly state that homosexuality is sin along with any other sex act outside of marriage. |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 2, 2009 12:44:10 GMT -5
Joey, I love it when people say things like that. "Not sure if homosexuality is wrong.....that's up to God to decide". Durrrrrrr
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 12:44:21 GMT -5
I don't say that homosexuality is a sin. Only God can make that call. And He has said, do you not believe Him. You claim materbation is sin, yet will not say homosexuality is. That seems awfully strange to me. No, I stated that God decides what is sin or not. As for Masterbartion, where did I ever say that it was a sin? Quote me. I never said it was a sin! Ever! |
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 12:46:23 GMT -5
And He has said, do you not believe Him. You claim materbation is sin, yet will not say homosexuality is. That seems awfully strange to me. No, I stated that God decides what is sin or not. As for Homosexuality, where did I ever say that it was a sin? Quote me. I never said it was a sin! Ever! That is the problem, you somehow believe masterbation is sin, but homosexuality is not. You are really confused dude. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 12:46:37 GMT -5
But hey, that's just The Bible talking. I just happen to agree with it. ;D You do not agree with the Bible or you could openly state that homosexuality is sin along with any other sex act outside of marriage. Maybe not the King James "version" of The Bible, but I believe in The Holy Bible. I can't speak for your book. As for homosexuality being a sin, Who's words do you think are The Bible's words? God's, right? So isn't it God who calls it a sin? If I agree with it, how do I not believe what The Holy Bible teaches? You are very confused. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 12:47:41 GMT -5
Joey, I love it when people say things like that. "Not sure if homosexuality is wrong.....that's up to God to decide". Durrrrrrr Ok, but what does that have to do with this exhcange? Did I ever deny it was a sin? |
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