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Post by Cepha on Jun 13, 2009 8:46:01 GMT -5
....? that's three 6's, not two.... I know, but doesn't it spook you out that the original number of books in The Holy Bible had the number of God in it and the number of The Holy Trinity and your bible is eerily close to the number of The Beast?  |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 13, 2009 8:54:56 GMT -5
That might be true...but what does that mean? Does that prove anything... i dont think so. I feel like protestants push their views publicly more than Catholics do, thats why the numbers might be high. BUT have you ever researched the divorce stats of protestants vs. Catholics? HMM..... Actually, right now it's the Protestants who are saying that numbers don't matter because they are in the minority of Christians worldwide. But I think that this will change when they become the majority. Here's the thing though...they will still be smaller than us. We will still be the biggest Christian Church in the world (in fact, the biggest Church in the world period regardless of a any religion). Why? Because they are a house divided amonst themselves. I think the biggest denomination is the Pentecostal movement (we have to call them a movement, they don't like being called a "church"). I think that they are about 150 million strong, but even within them, they have disagreements on doctrinal issues). 150 million is a far cry from over 1 Billion. Even The Muslims (who are a billion themselves) are divided into two sects...Shiite & Sunni. We're bigger than even The Chinese Population (which is the largest population in the world secularly speaking). We are the biggest group of anybody, anywhere in any time of history! Wow! God is great! Jesus' Church has truimphed over the world! And The Gates of Hell shall not prevail over it! People can gnash their teeth all they want, but they had their chance. You can call me a Mary loving, religion having, Priest confessing Pa pist anyday! |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 13, 2009 9:06:07 GMT -5
The CC has replaced the true Gospel with "smells and bells". The Jews also had "smells and bells" and God told them their hearts were far away from Him. No where in the Bible does Jesus call Mary His mother it is always woman. I noticed that you have a quote from Martin Luther in your signature. May I ask what you think of these quote by Martin Luther? " She is rightly called not only the mother of the man, but also the Mother of God ... It is certain that Mary is the Mother of the real and true God." " It is an article of faith that Mary is Mother of the Lord and still a Virgin" " But the other conception, namely the infusion of the soul, it is piously and suitably believed, was without any sin, so that while the soul was being infused, she would at the same time be cleansed from original sin and adorned with the gifts of God to receive the holy soul thus infused. And thus, in the very moment in which she began to live, she was without all sin..." The reformers had much more love for our Mother than we often see in today's protestant milieu. Oh. Didn't John Wesley pray the rosary as well? The overwhelming majority of Protestants reject their founder's teachings. As for Wesley, the founder of Methodism, is it true that he prayed the rosary? How do you feel about that Alfie? Are you now going to reject John Wesley and abandon his teachings because they might be corrupt by his veneration of Mary (something you disagree with)? wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_Anglicans_and_Episcopalians_regard_the_Virgin_MaryNot only that, John Wesley believed in The Perpetual Virginity of Mary, Jesus' mother: John Wesley wrote: "I believe that He was made man, joining the human nature with the divine in one person; being conceived by the singular operation of the Holy Ghost, and born of the blessed Virgin Mary, who, as well after as before she brought Him forth, continued a pure and unspotted virgin."Is that taught in your church Alfie? Do ya'll pray The Rosary like your founder did? Wow...I think I actually like this Wesley guy...Alfie, is this true about him? The Wesleys were viewed by many as being Jesuit agents in disguise. Their belief in the Real Presence, apostolic succession, the importance of good works, fasting, and their rejection of Calvinistic predestination were seen as a return to Catholic positions. John resented the accusation that he was being used by the Catholic Church. He said of Catholics, "I wish them well but I dare not trust them."
During his lifetime John Wesley gave more than 40,000 sermons by traveling more than 250,000 miles on horseback. A prolific writer and an avid reader, his favorite devotional book was the Imitation of Christ by Thomas a Kempis. One Catholic scholar said of John Wesley, who died in London in 1791, "Under other circumstances he would have been the founder of a religious order or a reforming pope." www.catholic.com/thisrock/1991/9112prof.asp |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 13, 2009 10:17:31 GMT -5
beautiful.
Did you think of that on your own?
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Post by Cepha on Jun 13, 2009 10:24:05 GMT -5
beautiful. Did you think of that on your own? It came out of me, but I can't take credit for it. I just started writing and it came out. Probably The Holy Spirit. Granted, I didn't fall out of my chair and flop around on the floor like a fish out of water, but I did feel inspired when I wrote it. Plus the fact that I wasn't as aggressive as I usually am would seem to suggest that it didn't come from all me! ;D |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 13, 2009 14:03:53 GMT -5
Hehe
It actually reminds me of how Jesus always called Himself "the Son of Man". There was a deeper meaning behind it. I'm sure Jesus also realized the deeper meaning behind calling Mary "Woman".
(But at the cross, when He gave Mary as Mother to St. John and the Church, her called her "your Mother".)
peace
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 13, 2009 18:09:17 GMT -5
Steven, no.
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Post by mrstain on Jun 13, 2009 21:13:14 GMT -5
The overwhelming majority of Protestants reject their founder's teachings. As for Wesley, the founder of Methodism, is it true that he prayed the rosary? How do you feel about that Alfie? Are you now going to reject John Wesley and abandon his teachings because they might be corrupt by his veneration of Mary (something you disagree with)? wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_Anglicans_and_Episcopalians_regard_the_Virgin_MaryNot only that, John Wesley believed in The Perpetual Virginity of Mary, Jesus' mother: John Wesley wrote: "I believe that He was made man, joining the human nature with the divine in one person; being conceived by the singular operation of the Holy Ghost, and born of the blessed Virgin Mary, who, as well after as before she brought Him forth, continued a pure and unspotted virgin."Is that taught in your church Alfie? Do ya'll pray The Rosary like your founder did? Wow...I think I actually like this Wesley guy...Alfie, is this true about him? The Wesleys were viewed by many as being Jesuit agents in disguise. Their belief in the Real Presence, apostolic succession, the importance of good works, fasting, and their rejection of Calvinistic predestination were seen as a return to Catholic positions. John resented the accusation that he was being used by the Catholic Church. He said of Catholics, "I wish them well but I dare not trust them."
During his lifetime John Wesley gave more than 40,000 sermons by traveling more than 250,000 miles on horseback. A prolific writer and an avid reader, his favorite devotional book was the Imitation of Christ by Thomas a Kempis. One Catholic scholar said of John Wesley, who died in London in 1791, "Under other circumstances he would have been the founder of a religious order or a reforming pope." www.catholic.com/thisrock/1991/9112prof.aspYeah, I kind of like Wesley as well, and you are right that many Protestants nowadays unwittingly reject the beliefs of their own founding fathers. It is not completely their fault though. From what I can tell, it seems there has been a watering down of the faith for some centuries now and it is not surprising that there are protestants now that ignore the ancient Creeds, Trinity is optional, baptism is optional, etc. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jun 14, 2009 0:25:15 GMT -5
No what? Did i miss something? |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 14, 2009 13:11:31 GMT -5
No it doesn't freak me out that the Bible has 66 books which is one number off of 666.
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Post by Cepha on Jun 14, 2009 13:49:26 GMT -5
No what? |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 14, 2009 13:50:00 GMT -5
No it doesn't freak me out that the Bible has 66 books which is one number off of 666. LOL! Ohhhhh!  |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 14, 2009 13:50:07 GMT -5
No it doesn't freak me out that the Bible has 66 books which is one number off of 666. |
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Post by mrstain on Jun 14, 2009 19:51:15 GMT -5
I noticed that you have a quote from Martin Luther in your signature. May I ask what you think of these quote by Martin Luther? " She is rightly called not only the mother of the man, but also the Mother of God ... It is certain that Mary is the Mother of the real and true God." " It is an article of faith that Mary is Mother of the Lord and still a Virgin" " But the other conception, namely the infusion of the soul, it is piously and suitably believed, was without any sin, so that while the soul was being infused, she would at the same time be cleansed from original sin and adorned with the gifts of God to receive the holy soul thus infused. And thus, in the very moment in which she began to live, she was without all sin..." The reformers had much more love for our Mother than we often see in today's protestant milieu. Oh. Didn't John Wesley pray the rosary as well? The overwhelming majority of Protestants reject their founder's teachings. As for Wesley, the founder of Methodism, is it true that he prayed the rosary? How do you feel about that Alfie? Are you now going to reject John Wesley and abandon his teachings because they might be corrupt by his veneration of Mary (something you disagree with)? wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_Anglicans_and_Episcopalians_regard_the_Virgin_MaryNot only that, John Wesley believed in The Perpetual Virginity of Mary, Jesus' mother: John Wesley wrote: "I believe that He was made man, joining the human nature with the divine in one person; being conceived by the singular operation of the Holy Ghost, and born of the blessed Virgin Mary, who, as well after as before she brought Him forth, continued a pure and unspotted virgin."Is that taught in your church Alfie? Do ya'll pray The Rosary like your founder did? Wow...I think I actually like this Wesley guy...Alfie, is this true about him? The Wesleys were viewed by many as being Jesuit agents in disguise. Their belief in the Real Presence, apostolic succession, the importance of good works, fasting, and their rejection of Calvinistic predestination were seen as a return to Catholic positions. John resented the accusation that he was being used by the Catholic Church. He said of Catholics, "I wish them well but I dare not trust them."
During his lifetime John Wesley gave more than 40,000 sermons by traveling more than 250,000 miles on horseback. A prolific writer and an avid reader, his favorite devotional book was the Imitation of Christ by Thomas a Kempis. One Catholic scholar said of John Wesley, who died in London in 1791, "Under other circumstances he would have been the founder of a religious order or a reforming pope." www.catholic.com/thisrock/1991/9112prof.aspMan, I sure would be interested in alfie's opinion on the quotes we provided from Luther & Wesley. |
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Post by Ramon on Jun 16, 2009 22:01:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I kind of like Wesley as well, and you are right that many Protestants nowadays unwittingly reject the beliefs of their own founding fathers. It is not completely their fault though. From what I can tell, it seems there has been a watering down of the faith for some centuries now and it is not surprising that there are protestants now that ignore the ancient Creeds, Trinity is optional, baptism is optional, etc. I agree. Ever since the 16th Century, Protestants sects have been subtracted more and more of the Ancient Faith. It is no wonder now, we have groups rejecting most of the doctrines taught by the Ancient Church (1st-11th Century). The bottom line is that alfie and others do not really believe Martin Luther was indwelt with a special gift from the Holy Spirit to teach the True Apostolic Faith versus what the Roman Church taught at that time, as they ignore many of his teachings that were, in all honesty, Orthodox/Catholic. The Ancient Reformer Churches was way different than today's Evangelical Protestant Churches, including the Methodist Church. Also, Martin Luther worship was liturgical. He did not reject many of the practices of the Roman and Eastern Churches, such as candles, etc, though he left them as optional. As far as John Wesley, he like Martin Luther kept many of Ancient doctrines accepted by the Roman and Eastern Churches, which has now been rejected by many Protestants, including the Methodist Church, which He supposedly founded. Protestants, like alfie, may boast about the Reformers, but they do not follow in there footsteps. They were not like most Protestants today. Go figure! Also, I am not surprise that many Protestants today has water down the faith to fit there agenda. The Ancient Church, the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church of 33AD-11th century, dealt with many who subtracted from the Faith. In IC.XC, Ramon |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 17, 2009 10:18:01 GMT -5
The overwhelming majority of Protestants reject their founder's teachings. As for Wesley, the founder of Methodism, is it true that he prayed the rosary? How do you feel about that Alfie? Are you now going to reject John Wesley and abandon his teachings because they might be corrupt by his veneration of Mary (something you disagree with)? wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_Anglicans_and_Episcopalians_regard_the_Virgin_MaryNot only that, John Wesley believed in The Perpetual Virginity of Mary, Jesus' mother: John Wesley wrote: "I believe that He was made man, joining the human nature with the divine in one person; being conceived by the singular operation of the Holy Ghost, and born of the blessed Virgin Mary, who, as well after as before she brought Him forth, continued a pure and unspotted virgin."Is that taught in your church Alfie? Do ya'll pray The Rosary like your founder did? Wow...I think I actually like this Wesley guy...Alfie, is this true about him? The Wesleys were viewed by many as being Jesuit agents in disguise. Their belief in the Real Presence, apostolic succession, the importance of good works, fasting, and their rejection of Calvinistic predestination were seen as a return to Catholic positions. John resented the accusation that he was being used by the Catholic Church. He said of Catholics, "I wish them well but I dare not trust them."
During his lifetime John Wesley gave more than 40,000 sermons by traveling more than 250,000 miles on horseback. A prolific writer and an avid reader, his favorite devotional book was the Imitation of Christ by Thomas a Kempis. One Catholic scholar said of John Wesley, who died in London in 1791, "Under other circumstances he would have been the founder of a religious order or a reforming pope." www.catholic.com/thisrock/1991/9112prof.aspMan, I sure would be interested in alfie's opinion on the quotes we provided from Luther & Wesley. Wait, here's here it is! www.soundboard.com/sb/crickets_sounds_audio.aspx ;D |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 17, 2009 11:05:36 GMT -5
Yeah, I kind of like Wesley as well, and you are right that many Protestants nowadays unwittingly reject the beliefs of their own founding fathers. It is not completely their fault though. From what I can tell, it seems there has been a watering down of the faith for some centuries now and it is not surprising that there are protestants now that ignore the ancient Creeds, Trinity is optional, baptism is optional, etc. I agree. Ever since the 16th Century, Protestants sects have been subtracted more and more of the Ancient Faith. It is no wonder now, we have groups rejecting most of the doctrines taught by the Ancient Church (1st-11th Century). The bottom line is that alfie and others do not really believe Martin Luther was indwelt with a special gift from the Holy Spirit to teach the True Apostolic Faith versus what the Roman Church taught at that time, as they ignore many of his teachings that were, in all honesty, Orthodox/Catholic. The Ancient Reformer Churches was way different than today's Evangelical Protestant Churches, including the Methodist Church. Also, Martin Luther worship was liturgical. He did not reject many of the practices of the Roman and Eastern Churches, such as candles, etc, though he left them as optional. As far as John Wesley, he like Martin Luther kept many of Ancient doctrines accepted by the Roman and Eastern Churches, which has now been rejected by many Protestants, including the Methodist Church, which He supposedly founded. Protestants, like alfie, may boast about the Reformers, but they do not follow in there footsteps. They were not like most Protestants today. Go figure! Also, I am not surprise that many Protestants today has water down the faith to fit there agenda. The Ancient Church, the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church of 33AD-11th century, dealt with many who subtracted from the Faith. In IC.XC, Ramon Know why? Matthew 724Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. The Catholic Church! Built upon Cepha (Peter)! 26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. The Protestant church es! Built upon sand or soil=man (Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, etc...)! When tested by the spirits (wind, water reference), it collapsed into many different denominations with no unity. What suprises me is that some thing that unity is somehow demonic work when Jesus said that His Church would be recognized by it's unity! That is sooooo odd to me that that work of us being "one" would be accredited towards Satan. It's the opposit. Like when God struck down the Tower of Babel and gave those who tried to build it different languages, maybe He gave those who tried to tear down His Church that His Son started different denominations so that they could never overtake His Church, keeping them separated? Satan could never have that power of God and God has a history of having done that already. |
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Post by alfie on Jun 17, 2009 14:56:18 GMT -5
The overwhelming majority of Protestants reject their founder's teachings. As for Wesley, the founder of Methodism, is it true that he prayed the rosary? How do you feel about that Alfie? Are you now going to reject John Wesley and abandon his teachings because they might be corrupt by his veneration of Mary (something you disagree with)? wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_Anglicans_and_Episcopalians_regard_the_Virgin_MaryNot only that, John Wesley believed in The Perpetual Virginity of Mary, Jesus' mother: John Wesley wrote: "I believe that He was made man, joining the human nature with the divine in one person; being conceived by the singular operation of the Holy Ghost, and born of the blessed Virgin Mary, who, as well after as before she brought Him forth, continued a pure and unspotted virgin."Is that taught in your church Alfie? Do ya'll pray The Rosary like your founder did? Wow...I think I actually like this Wesley guy...Alfie, is this true about him? The Wesleys were viewed by many as being Jesuit agents in disguise. Their belief in the Real Presence, apostolic succession, the importance of good works, fasting, and their rejection of Calvinistic predestination were seen as a return to Catholic positions. John resented the accusation that he was being used by the Catholic Church. He said of Catholics, "I wish them well but I dare not trust them."
During his lifetime John Wesley gave more than 40,000 sermons by traveling more than 250,000 miles on horseback. A prolific writer and an avid reader, his favorite devotional book was the Imitation of Christ by Thomas a Kempis. One Catholic scholar said of John Wesley, who died in London in 1791, "Under other circumstances he would have been the founder of a religious order or a reforming pope." www.catholic.com/thisrock/1991/9112prof.aspMan, I sure would be interested in alfie's opinion on the quotes we provided from Luther & Wesley. Why doesn't my Methodist church book have any of this teaching in it? |
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Post by Ramon on Jun 17, 2009 18:53:02 GMT -5
Man, I sure would be interested in alfie's opinion on the quotes we provided from Luther & Wesley. Why doesn't my Methodist church book have any of this teaching in it? One reason: The Methodist Church, just like any other Protestant Sect, has not only subtracted from the Faith of the Holy Apostles and the Ancient Fathers, but has also subtracted from the faith there Founding Fathers of the 16th Century onward. I am not surprise alfie. In IC.XC, Ramon |
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Post by mrstain on Jun 17, 2009 21:21:56 GMT -5
Why doesn't my Methodist church book have any of this teaching in it? May I ask what sort of Methodist teaching books are used nowadays? Is there some sort of catechism? |
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