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Post by mrstain on Jun 11, 2009 19:29:47 GMT -5
Unity of One Church“ I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one.” (Jn 17:20-22) Jesus prayed for us to be of one mind and spirit so we could fulfill the great commission and bring the Good News to all nations. A unified voice is a louder voice. There is no division between the Father & the Son and likewise, the Church should not be divided. Let’s see what important followers of Jesus had to say in support of Christina unity. Paul in his first epistle to the Corinthians – written just a few decades after our Lord’s ascension -- pleads that they be united when he said “Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.” (1 Cor 1:10) He asks them, “ Is Christ divided?” He then goes on to say how these divisions were not spiritual at all, “ for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men?” (1 Cor 3:3) In a latter part of his letter he again points out “ that there should be no schism in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another.” (1 Cor 12:25) That is just one of Paul’s letters. As many of you know, he reinforced the importance of like mindedness of doctrine in other of his epistles. Here is one, “ Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them.” (Rom 16:17). And another, “ fulfill my joy by being like-minded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind” (Phil 2:2) Now let’s continue this ride back in time and see what those who remained steadfast in the apostles doctrines (Acts 2:42) taught. First, consider Clement of Rome, who some of the early Christian writers indicate was Paul's fellow-laborer (Phil 4:3), ordained by Peter, and taught by the Apostles. This man also penned a letter to the Corinthians – which by the way, was read in many of the early churches before Scripture was canonized – pointing out how disgraceful it was that they would reject the teachings passed on to them and how this disunity would cause great trouble with unbelievers. Here is the specific chapter and notice how he refers to Paul’s prior admonishment: “ Take up the epistle of the blessed Apostle Paul. What did he write to you at the time when the gospel first began to be preached? Truly, under the inspiration of the Spirit, he wrote to you concerning himself, and Cephas, and Apollos, because even then parties had been formed among you. But that inclination for one above another entailed less guilt upon you, inasmuch as your partialities were then shown towards apostles, already of high reputation, and towards a man whom they had approved. But now reflect who those are that have perverted you, and lessened the renown of your far-famed brotherly love. It is disgraceful, beloved, yea, highly disgraceful, and unworthy of your Christian profession, that such a thing should be heard of as that the most steadfast and ancient church of the Corinthians should, on account of one or two persons, engage in sedition against its presbyters. And this rumour has reached not only us, but those also who are unconnected with us; so that, through your infatuation, the name of the Lord is blasphemed, while danger is also brought upon yourselves.” – Clement of Rome, Epistle to the Corinthians (Ch. 47) (Source = www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.ii.i.html)Let’s now take a side trip from Rome to Antioch where the disciples were first called Christians (Acts 11:26). There we have the Bishop of Antioch, Ignatius, who was a hearer of the Apostle John and received the laying on of hands from the Apostles. This saint who guided the faithful during the persecutions from Domition and was martyred under Trajan wrote the following in a letter to the Ephesians: “ Therefore in your concord and harmonious love, Jesus Christ is sung. And do ye, man by man, become a choir, that being harmonious in love, and taking up the song of God in unison, ye may with one voice sing to the Father through Jesus Christ, so that He may both hear you, and perceive by your works that ye are indeed the members of His Son. It is profitable, therefore, that you should live in an unblameable unity, that thus ye may always enjoy communion with God.” – Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Ephesians (Ch. 4) (Source = www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.v.ii.iv.html)Scripture, as well as the earliest Christian writings, point to a Church united in doctrine to bring glory to God’s name. The Protestant reformer John Calvin, 1500 years later, also stresses the centrality of such Christian unity in his commentary on 1 Corinthians. He writes, “ Let us then observe, that nothing is more inconsistent on the part of Christians than to be at variance among themselves, for it is the main article of our religion that we be in harmony among ourselves; and farther, on such agreement the safety of the Church rests and is dependent.” (Source = www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/calcom39.viii.iii.html) I recall reading somewhere that Martin Luther even bemoaned the rapid growth of dissention he was seeing among the Christians of his time. So, I agree with the words of our Lord Jesus, the Apostle Paul, the immediate successors of the Apostles (Clement, Ignatius, etc.) and even the reformer John Calvin that we are called to be one. Not in name only, but in our beliefs so that the world may hear the Gospel message and come to share in the glory of His death & resurrection. Faith comes by hearing after all, and I suppose it would be hard for the unbeliever to hear when they stumble into a sanctuary of competing choirs.
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Post by Cepha on Jun 12, 2009 9:34:46 GMT -5
Unity of One Church“ I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one.” (Jn 17:20-22) Jesus prayed for us to be of one mind and spirit so we could fulfill the great commission and bring the Good News to all nations. A unified voice is a louder voice. There is no division between the Father & the Son and likewise, the Church should not be divided. Let’s see what important followers of Jesus had to say in support of Christina unity. Paul in his first epistle to the Corinthians – written just a few decades after our Lord’s ascension -- pleads that they be united when he said “Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.” (1 Cor 1:10) He asks them, “ Is Christ divided?” He then goes on to say how these divisions were not spiritual at all, “ for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men?” (1 Cor 3:3) In a latter part of his letter he again points out “ that there should be no schism in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another.” (1 Cor 12:25) That is just one of Paul’s letters. As many of you know, he reinforced the importance of like mindedness of doctrine in other of his epistles. Here is one, “ Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them.” (Rom 16:17). And another, “ fulfill my joy by being like-minded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind” (Phil 2:2) Now let’s continue this ride back in time and see what those who remained steadfast in the apostles doctrines (Acts 2:42) taught. First, consider Clement of Rome, who some of the early Christian writers indicate was Paul's fellow-laborer (Phil 4:3), ordained by Peter, and taught by the Apostles. This man also penned a letter to the Corinthians – which by the way, was read in many of the early churches before Scripture was canonized – pointing out how disgraceful it was that they would reject the teachings passed on to them and how this disunity would cause great trouble with unbelievers. Here is the specific chapter and notice how he refers to Paul’s prior admonishment: “ Take up the epistle of the blessed Apostle Paul. What did he write to you at the time when the gospel first began to be preached? Truly, under the inspiration of the Spirit, he wrote to you concerning himself, and Cephas, and Apollos, because even then parties had been formed among you. But that inclination for one above another entailed less guilt upon you, inasmuch as your partialities were then shown towards apostles, already of high reputation, and towards a man whom they had approved. But now reflect who those are that have perverted you, and lessened the renown of your far-famed brotherly love. It is disgraceful, beloved, yea, highly disgraceful, and unworthy of your Christian profession, that such a thing should be heard of as that the most steadfast and ancient church of the Corinthians should, on account of one or two persons, engage in sedition against its presbyters. And this rumour has reached not only us, but those also who are unconnected with us; so that, through your infatuation, the name of the Lord is blasphemed, while danger is also brought upon yourselves.” – Clement of Rome, Epistle to the Corinthians (Ch. 47) (Source = www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.ii.i.html)Let’s now take a side trip from Rome to Antioch where the disciples were first called Christians (Acts 11:26). There we have the Bishop of Antioch, Ignatius, who was a hearer of the Apostle John and received the laying on of hands from the Apostles. This saint who guided the faithful during the persecutions from Domition and was martyred under Trajan wrote the following in a letter to the Ephesians: “ Therefore in your concord and harmonious love, Jesus Christ is sung. And do ye, man by man, become a choir, that being harmonious in love, and taking up the song of God in unison, ye may with one voice sing to the Father through Jesus Christ, so that He may both hear you, and perceive by your works that ye are indeed the members of His Son. It is profitable, therefore, that you should live in an unblameable unity, that thus ye may always enjoy communion with God.” – Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Ephesians (Ch. 4) (Source = www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.v.ii.iv.html)Scripture, as well as the earliest Christian writings, point to a Church united in doctrine to bring glory to God’s name. The Protestant reformer John Calvin, 1500 years later, also stresses the centrality of such Christian unity in his commentary on 1 Corinthians. He writes, “ Let us then observe, that nothing is more inconsistent on the part of Christians than to be at variance among themselves, for it is the main article of our religion that we be in harmony among ourselves; and farther, on such agreement the safety of the Church rests and is dependent.” (Source = www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/calcom39.viii.iii.html) I recall reading somewhere that Martin Luther even bemoaned the rapid growth of dissention he was seeing among the Christians of his time. So, I agree with the words of our Lord Jesus, the Apostle Paul, the immediate successors of the Apostles (Clement, Ignatius, etc.) and even the reformer John Calvin that we are called to be one. Not in name only, but in our beliefs so that the world may hear the Gospel message and come to share in the glory of His death & resurrection. Faith comes by hearing after all, and I suppose it would be hard for the unbeliever to hear when they stumble into a sanctuary of competing choirs. One of my favorite questions: How do 33,000+ denominations = 1? I could understand different persons being able to be one provided that they are of one mind, but contradictory beliefs cannot be in the same mind. A man cannot have two masters.  |
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Post by alfie on Jun 12, 2009 10:54:00 GMT -5
Why would any spirit filled man of God want to belong to an organization like the Catholic Church who lies about there being 33,000 protestant denominations? If the CC can lie about that you know they will lie about other things too.
The 33,000 is the "BIG LIE". Reminds me of Hitler. Hitler said if you tell a lie make sure it is a "BIG" one because people are more apt to believe a "BIG" one rather than a small one. A "BIG" lie works better than a small lie because most people can't believe anyone would have the gall and be so out and out evil as to make such a shocking statement. Satan did the same thing in the Garden of Eden.
Also how about providing an exact list of all 33,000 denominations on this forum.
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Post by Cepha on Jun 12, 2009 11:04:53 GMT -5
Why would any spirit filled man of God want to belong to an organization like the Catholic Church That part of the question answers itself, but I'll say this: Once The Holy Spirit enters you, it leads you to where it wants you whether that be the universal Christian Church or a denominational church. Post evidence that it is The Catholic Church that came up with the number of denominations. I've never heard this to be a teaching of The Catholic Church (only of secular sources). But let's see your proof that it is The Universal Christian Church that teaches this. [ Insert Evidence Here] ;D David Barrett, et al, does indeed refer to "over 33,000 distinct denominations in 238 countries..." (Table 1-5, vol 1, page 16). World Christian Encyclopedia:" Within Christianity, he counts 33,820 denominations." Title: World Christian Encyclopedia : a comparative survey of churches and religions in the modern world Authors: David B. Barrett, George T. Kurian, Todd M. Johnson. Edition: 2nd ed. Published: Oxford ; New York : Oxford University Press, 2001. Description: 2 v. : ill., col. maps ; 32 cm. Notes: Includes bibliographical references and indexes. Contents: v. 1. The world by countries : religionists, churches, ministries v. 2. The world by segments : religions, peoples, languages, cities, topics. www.amazon.com/World-Christian-Encyclopedia-Comparative-Religionists/dp/0195103181 |
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Post by Ramon on Jun 12, 2009 11:07:13 GMT -5
You go Cepha! LOL
Let's see Alfie tell us how many man-made Protestant Churches (including hers) exist today versus what secular sources say.
Protestantism are just diversity, the opposite what Jesus' prayed for in John 17, and what he promise in Matthew 16:18. Protestantism is a man-made tradition that goes back to the 16th century.
In IC.XC,
Ramon
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jun 12, 2009 11:09:03 GMT -5
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Post by alfie on Jun 12, 2009 11:19:28 GMT -5
Unity of One Church“ I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one.” (Jn 17:20-22) Jesus prayed for us to be of one mind and spirit so we could fulfill the great commission and bring the Good News to all nations. A unified voice is a louder voice. There is no division between the Father & the Son and likewise, the Church should not be divided. Let’s see what important followers of Jesus had to say in support of Christina unity. Paul in his first epistle to the Corinthians – written just a few decades after our Lord’s ascension -- pleads that they be united when he said “Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.” (1 Cor 1:10) He asks them, “ Is Christ divided?” He then goes on to say how these divisions were not spiritual at all, “ for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men?” (1 Cor 3:3) In a latter part of his letter he again points out “ that there should be no schism in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another.” (1 Cor 12:25) That is just one of Paul’s letters. As many of you know, he reinforced the importance of like mindedness of doctrine in other of his epistles. Here is one, “ Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them.” (Rom 16:17). And another, “ fulfill my joy by being like-minded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind” (Phil 2:2) Now let’s continue this ride back in time and see what those who remained steadfast in the apostles doctrines (Acts 2:42) taught. First, consider Clement of Rome, who some of the early Christian writers indicate was Paul's fellow-laborer (Phil 4:3), ordained by Peter, and taught by the Apostles. This man also penned a letter to the Corinthians – which by the way, was read in many of the early churches before Scripture was canonized – pointing out how disgraceful it was that they would reject the teachings passed on to them and how this disunity would cause great trouble with unbelievers. Here is the specific chapter and notice how he refers to Paul’s prior admonishment: “ Take up the epistle of the blessed Apostle Paul. What did he write to you at the time when the gospel first began to be preached? Truly, under the inspiration of the Spirit, he wrote to you concerning himself, and Cephas, and Apollos, because even then parties had been formed among you. But that inclination for one above another entailed less guilt upon you, inasmuch as your partialities were then shown towards apostles, already of high reputation, and towards a man whom they had approved. But now reflect who those are that have perverted you, and lessened the renown of your far-famed brotherly love. It is disgraceful, beloved, yea, highly disgraceful, and unworthy of your Christian profession, that such a thing should be heard of as that the most steadfast and ancient church of the Corinthians should, on account of one or two persons, engage in sedition against its presbyters. And this rumour has reached not only us, but those also who are unconnected with us; so that, through your infatuation, the name of the Lord is blasphemed, while danger is also brought upon yourselves.” – Clement of Rome, Epistle to the Corinthians (Ch. 47) (Source = www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.ii.i.html)Let’s now take a side trip from Rome to Antioch where the disciples were first called Christians (Acts 11:26). There we have the Bishop of Antioch, Ignatius, who was a hearer of the Apostle John and received the laying on of hands from the Apostles. This saint who guided the faithful during the persecutions from Domition and was martyred under Trajan wrote the following in a letter to the Ephesians: “ Therefore in your concord and harmonious love, Jesus Christ is sung. And do ye, man by man, become a choir, that being harmonious in love, and taking up the song of God in unison, ye may with one voice sing to the Father through Jesus Christ, so that He may both hear you, and perceive by your works that ye are indeed the members of His Son. It is profitable, therefore, that you should live in an unblameable unity, that thus ye may always enjoy communion with God.” – Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Ephesians (Ch. 4) (Source = www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.v.ii.iv.html)Scripture, as well as the earliest Christian writings, point to a Church united in doctrine to bring glory to God’s name. The Protestant reformer John Calvin, 1500 years later, also stresses the centrality of such Christian unity in his commentary on 1 Corinthians. He writes, “ Let us then observe, that nothing is more inconsistent on the part of Christians than to be at variance among themselves, for it is the main article of our religion that we be in harmony among ourselves; and farther, on such agreement the safety of the Church rests and is dependent.” (Source = www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/calcom39.viii.iii.html) I recall reading somewhere that Martin Luther even bemoaned the rapid growth of dissention he was seeing among the Christians of his time. So, I agree with the words of our Lord Jesus, the Apostle Paul, the immediate successors of the Apostles (Clement, Ignatius, etc.) and even the reformer John Calvin that we are called to be one. Not in name only, but in our beliefs so that the world may hear the Gospel message and come to share in the glory of His death & resurrection. Faith comes by hearing after all, and I suppose it would be hard for the unbeliever to hear when they stumble into a sanctuary of competing choirs. One of my favorite questions: How do 33,000+ denominations = 1? I could understand different persons being able to be one provided that they are of one mind, but contradictory beliefs cannot be in the same mind. A man cannot have two masters. I am a Methodist. BIG DEAL! Belonging to the Methodist church doesn't save me it's JESUS who saves me. If there are 33,000 denominations like you claim I really doubt it would bother me if one of my family members married someone who belonged to one of those other denominations or if he just wanted to join another denomination besides the Methodist Church. We protestants have the same dogma in common but different doctrine. So what? On the other hand if a relative of mine decided to convert to Catholicism it would grieve and sadden me terribly. By the way Jehovah Witness and Mormons are not protestant they are cults but I am sure you are including them in your 33,000 too. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 12, 2009 11:26:58 GMT -5
You go Cepha! LOL In IC.XC, Ramon ;D |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 12, 2009 11:34:33 GMT -5
 I am a Methodist. BIG DEAL! Belonging to the Methodist church doesn't save me it's JESUS who saves me. Methodist 1739 John & Charles Wesley England And...no one ever said that your church saved you. I don't know of Christian here who'd say that Jesus doesn't save you. I don't claim it...a book does. And, it's a fact. I accept it. You mean you share "some" of the same beliefs. By that standard (not believing in Christ 100%), any Christian should be acceptable to your Church. That's not being "one" like Paul told us to be doctrinally in Corinthians Alfie. The Bible doesn't say "almost" one, but "one". It would also grieve and sadden Satan terribly too. And the angels would rejoice in heaven because there'd be another Christian finally accepting The Eucharist and Jesus would be happy that another Christian would come to love His mother as He loved her (which He commanded us all to do in scripture). ;D I don't include anyone, the source I cited does the inclusion or exclusion, but if you want to disallow them, ok...now there's only 28,998 different denominations of Protestantism! LOL! (still not "one")
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Post by Cepha on Jun 12, 2009 11:35:35 GMT -5
Let's see Alfie tell us how many man-made Protestant Churches (including hers) exist today versus what secular sources say. In IC.XC, Ramon I'm still waiting for her to post the proof that it was The Catholic Church that came up with this number. |
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Post by alfie on Jun 12, 2009 11:58:20 GMT -5
Why would any spirit filled man of God want to belong to an organization like the Catholic Church That part of the question answers itself, but I'll say this: Once The Holy Spirit enters you, it leads you to where it wants you whether that be the universal Christian Church or a denominational church. Post evidence that it is The Catholic Church that came up with the number of denominations. I've never heard this to be a teaching of The Catholic Church (only of secular sources). But let's see your proof that it is The Universal Christian Church that teaches this. [ Insert Evidence Here] ;D David Barrett, et al, does indeed refer to "over 33,000 distinct denominations in 238 countries..." (Table 1-5, vol 1, page 16). World Christian Encyclopedia:" Within Christianity, he counts 33,820 denominations." Title: World Christian Encyclopedia : a comparative survey of churches and religions in the modern world Authors: David B. Barrett, George T. Kurian, Todd M. Johnson. Edition: 2nd ed. Published: Oxford ; New York : Oxford University Press, 2001. Description: 2 v. : ill., col. maps ; 32 cm. Notes: Includes bibliographical references and indexes. Contents: v. 1. The world by countries : religionists, churches, ministries v. 2. The world by segments : religions, peoples, languages, cities, topics. www.amazon.com/World-Christian-Encyclopedia-Comparative-Religionists/dp/0195103181That Encyclopedia also says there are 242 different Catholuic denominations. |
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Post by alfie on Jun 12, 2009 12:03:10 GMT -5
You go Cepha! LOL In IC.XC, Ramon ;D Hey Ramon, that encyclopedia lists 60 Orthodox denominations in the United States. |
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Post by Ramon on Jun 12, 2009 12:05:55 GMT -5
We protestants have the same dogma in common but different doctrine. So what? On the other hand if a relative of mine decided to convert to Catholicism it would grieve and sadden me terribly. No you don't. All Protestants may share "some" beliefs in common, but overall, every Protestant Church, have different dogmas and practices. Each Protestant Church interpret Scriptures differently. You all are not "one", but "many" with some sharable beliefs. On the other, The Church is the Apostolic Era was One Faith, One Spirit, and One Baptism as Saint Paul wrote. Christ' promise in Matthew 16:18 teflies that the Church will always be One, not many. Christ's has one flock, not many (John 10:16). He leads one flock. By your standards, Christ is leading many flocks. Every sheep is going to different direction, not following Christ. For Protestants, unity is a ugly word. That is why the Methodists Church, a Church started by a man, is not the Apostolic Church started by Christ and preserve by the Holy Apostles. You and other Protestants do not follow in the footsteps of Christ, the Holy Apostles, there Holy Successors (2 Tim 2:2), the God-bearing Fathers/Mothers, and the Seven Holy Ecumenical Councils, while the Holy Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church has since 33AD. By the way, if you or any of your family members come to there senses and join the Apostolic Church of East, I will be glad. A lost sheep has found it's way to the Apostolic Church! AMEN! PRAISE THE LORD! I see this out of love. I love you Protestants, but I will be filled with joy if of you and others convert to Eastern Christianity. In IC.XC, Ramon |
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Post by alfie on Jun 12, 2009 12:08:18 GMT -5
I am a Methodist. BIG DEAL! Belonging to the Methodist church doesn't save me it's JESUS who saves me. Methodist 1739 John & Charles Wesley England And...no one ever said that your church saved you. I don't know of Christian here who'd say that Jesus doesn't save you. I don't claim it...a book does. And, it's a fact. I accept it. You mean you share "some" of the same beliefs. By that standard (not believing in Christ 100%), any Christian should be acceptable to your Church. That's not being "one" like Paul told us to be doctrinally in Corinthians Alfie. The Bible doesn't say "almost" one, but "one". It would also grieve and sadden Satan terribly too. And the angels would rejoice in heaven because there'd be another Christian finally accepting The Eucharist and Jesus would be happy that another Christian would come to love His mother as He loved her (which He commanded us all to do in scripture). ;D I don't include anyone, the source I cited does the inclusion or exclusion, but if you want to disallow them, ok...now there's only 28,998 different denominations of Protestantism! LOL! (still not "one") The CC has replaced the true Gospel with "smells and bells". The Jews also had "smells and bells" and God told them their hearts were far away from Him. No where in the Bible does Jesus call Mary His mother it is always woman. |
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Post by Ramon on Jun 12, 2009 12:08:20 GMT -5
Hey Ramon, that encyclopedia lists 60 Orthodox denominations in the United States. With all sharing the same faith! LOL! Find one Canonical Orthodox Church that does not teach what another canonical Orthodox Church profess and preach. Go ahead. I challenge you. Here is a list of canonical Orthodox Churches: orthodoxyinamerica.org/Unlike you Protestants, we share in the same faith. By the way, the Methodisst and Protestants in general, has replace the true Gospel with man-made traditions. They have subtracted from the faith once delivered to the Saints (Jude 1). In IC.XC, Ramon |
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Post by Ramon on Jun 12, 2009 12:11:42 GMT -5
No where in the Bible does Jesus call Mary His mother it is always woman. But the authors of the Gospels did! Second, the Gospels is not a footprint of Jesus' Christ life. The Gospel writers only cited portions of his life. So, you can't say for sure that he never called the Virgin Mary his Mother. In IC.XC, Ramon |
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Post by alfie on Jun 12, 2009 12:19:02 GMT -5
Hey Ramon, that encyclopedia lists 60 Orthodox denominations in the United States. With all sharing the same faith! LOL! Find one Canonical Orthodox Church that does not teach what another canonical Orthodox Church profess and preach. Go ahead. I challenge you. Here is a list of canonical Orthodox Churches: orthodoxyinamerica.org/Unlike you Protestants, we share in the same faith. In IC.XC, Ramon The city I live in has one Russian Orthodox Church, one Serbian Orthodox Church and one Greek Orthodox Church. Why not just call them the Orthodox Church? |
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Post by Ramon on Jun 12, 2009 12:26:06 GMT -5
With all sharing the same faith! LOL! Find one Canonical Orthodox Church that does not teach what another canonical Orthodox Church profess and preach. Go ahead. I challenge you. Here is a list of canonical Orthodox Churches: orthodoxyinamerica.org/Unlike you Protestants, we share in the same faith. In IC.XC, Ramon The city I live in has one Russian Orthodox Church, one Serbian Orthodox Church and one Greek Orthodox Church. Why not just call them the Orthodox Church? Those are just "ethnic" Churches. A Russian Orthodox Church is a Orthodox parish that was started by Russians or whatever. However, a Russian Orthodox Church does not necessary mean that it's congregation are 100% Russians. I too go to a Russian Orthodox Church, but we have many converts. The names above are there just there to preserve the ethnic culture of a group of Eastern Orthodox Christians, but we are open to all! We all share in the same faith. A Russian Orthodox Church does teach a doctrine that contradicts what a Serbian Orthodox Church teach. Though we all preserve our various culture, we all share in the faith. I can go to a Greek Orthodox Church and partake of the Holy Eucharist and so forth. Why? Because we all share in the same faith. Parishes with ethnic designations may employ languages other than English in worship to a greater or lesser degree, or may favor music of one or another national traditions, but the faith is one and the same. Understand now? There exist various names of my Apostolic Church, but we all are one, unlike you guys. In IC.XC, Ramon |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jun 12, 2009 12:26:58 GMT -5
Methodist 1739 John & Charles Wesley England And...no one ever said that your church saved you. I don't know of Christian here who'd say that Jesus doesn't save you. I don't claim it...a book does. And, it's a fact. I accept it. You mean you share "some" of the same beliefs. By that standard (not believing in Christ 100%), any Christian should be acceptable to your Church. That's not being "one" like Paul told us to be doctrinally in Corinthians Alfie. The Bible doesn't say "almost" one, but "one". It would also grieve and sadden Satan terribly too. And the angels would rejoice in heaven because there'd be another Christian finally accepting The Eucharist and Jesus would be happy that another Christian would come to love His mother as He loved her (which He commanded us all to do in scripture). ;D I don't include anyone, the source I cited does the inclusion or exclusion, but if you want to disallow them, ok...now there's only 28,998 different denominations of Protestantism! LOL! (still not "one") The CC has replaced the true Gospel with "smells and bells". The Jews also had "smells and bells" and God told them their hearts were far away from Him. No where in the Bible does Jesus call Mary His mother it is always woman. Im sorry but are you dening that Mary is Jesus's mother? |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 12, 2009 12:31:42 GMT -5
What are the protestant "dogmas"?
Please list or give me a link where they are listed.
What is the difference between "dogma" and "doctrine" and why do you think that it doesn't matter if people have different (contradictory) doctrine?
Let's say one protestant church(Methodist) does not believe that the Eucharist is really the body and blood of our Lord. Then another one(Anglican) believes that it is. Do you say "so what"? Are they both right? Which is right?
That is simply one of the multitudinous controversies in the denominations that you say share the same "dogma".
I don't know how you can say "so what" to matters of such importance. Is it because of indifference or an acquiescence to relativism?
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