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Jul 27, 2009 0:08:33 GMT -5
Post by alfie on Jul 27, 2009 0:08:33 GMT -5
Question, so bush brought over bin laddens family here, right? Were they for or against bin ladden? Did they disagree with his ways? They are against bin Laden. I think one of his sons is married to a British woman. |
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Jul 27, 2009 12:27:59 GMT -5
Post by teresahrc on Jul 27, 2009 12:27:59 GMT -5
Yeah, right. Bush was never against Bin Laden. If he was, why did he befriend the Saudis and have no problem with Billions of US dollars going to them (in exchange for oil) so that they could spread Wahabi Islam around the world? You can't tell me they didn't know what was going on. It was all about money, oil, and control of wealth and goods. He had to have known it would come back to haunt us, but when money talks, people tend to not hear any other voices.
I hate to say this, but just wait. All the gasoline and oil that we have purchased from the Saudis has funded hundreds, if not thousands of Islamic (Wahabi) schools around the world. There are some in America, Turkey, Indonesia, practically everywhere. They are all being trained in "Death to America, Death to Israel" and they want to be martyrs in Jihad.
It doesn't matter who is against who when millions of people are plotting against us as we speak.
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Obama
Jul 27, 2009 14:06:43 GMT -5
Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jul 27, 2009 14:06:43 GMT -5
T you prolly think the 911 attacks were purposely done by bush too huh?
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Obama
Jul 27, 2009 17:15:43 GMT -5
Post by teresahrc on Jul 27, 2009 17:15:43 GMT -5
No, why would you say that Marcie?
Do you honestly think that the US Gov. (and esp. Bush) had no idea what the Saudis were doing with their oil profits? I never said Bush purposely did anything except that he did know full well what kind of "investments" the Saudis were making, and they certainly didn't let the uninformed American know of what was going on either.
The average american has no idea where their money goes when they put gas in their SUV's . Why do we focus on our own lives and obsess over stupid political "scandals" and pay no attention to what is going on in the rest of the world until it hits home? Then it's too late. It's like the saying that "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure".
Looking at what has happened in the Iraq war, which was supposedly the cure for Bin Laden (LOL) you can see just how damaging a "cure" can be. It's like treating an AIDS patient with chemotherapy and wondering why they aren't getting better.
No, after we began our occupation in Iraq, the people who hated us began to hate us infinitely more, and to be honest, I think they are justified.
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Obama
Jul 27, 2009 17:49:07 GMT -5
Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jul 27, 2009 17:49:07 GMT -5
You think that taking out saddam hussien was a mistake? His people were terrified of him.
We did the right thing, and im sure most of the iraqies are happy and glad we did what we did and are continuing to do.
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Obama
Jul 28, 2009 8:15:55 GMT -5
Post by Cepha on Jul 28, 2009 8:15:55 GMT -5
Question, so bush brought over bin laddens family here, right? No, as usual, you have it completely backwards. Bin Laden's family was HERE in the United States during the attack their son orchastrated against us. During this "time of war", they were ALLOWED OUT OF the U.S. to safety (while Americans were grounded and NOT allowed to fly). The Bin Laden flightsAt least 13 relatives of Osama bin Laden, accompanied by bodyguards and associates, left the United States on a chartered flight eight days after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, according to a passenger manifest released on July 21, 2004.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Laden_family#The_Bin_Laden_flightsWhat do you think? Of course they were for their son. Remember, they were the ones who gave him BILLIONS of dollars which he used to attack Americans with. His family (not surprising to me at all) is another Big Oil Family (like The Bushes). They (like their son) believe that the U.S. should not be in Saudi Arabia (which is why their son attacked the U.S.). They have a lot in common with The Bush Family: 1. Big Oil Family 2. Have sons that destroyed America 3. Have religious zealotry backrounds with extremist views |
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Obama
Jul 28, 2009 9:42:43 GMT -5
Post by Cepha on Jul 28, 2009 9:42:43 GMT -5
So it's an unjust and illegal war but it stops short of being an immoral war. What does that mean? That's an excellent question. I guess that's one way you can take it. I could take it that the war was conducted in a human fashion (where military objectives were targeted and not civilians). Well, once The Church declares a war unjust, it is against Church teaching for a Catholic to support such a war. The Church might not outrightly tell us to rebel against The Government, but would tell us to not support the unjust war. As for mortal VS venial VS no sin with regards to supporting the war, I guess that would fall along the lines of abortion. One would have to be actively involved in the activity to be morally culpable (for example: a person who supports abortion, but never contributed to one is less culpable than one who's actually contributed to an abortion). I think that's the best way to explain it (but good questions Alfie...this should make all Catholics reflect on "what" we support before jumping on any bandwagon).  |
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Obama
Jul 28, 2009 9:49:43 GMT -5
Post by Cepha on Jul 28, 2009 9:49:43 GMT -5
Question, so bush brought over bin laddens family here, right? Were they for or against bin ladden? Did they disagree with his ways? They are against bin Laden. I think one of his sons is married to a British woman. They supposedly cut ties with their son in '94. They in fact are very "Western" in how they live. |
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Jul 28, 2009 9:53:02 GMT -5
Post by Cepha on Jul 28, 2009 9:53:02 GMT -5
No, why would you say that Marcie? Do you honestly think that the US Gov. (and esp. Bush) had no idea what the Saudis were doing with their oil profits? I never said Bush purposely did anything except that he did know full well what kind of "investments" the Saudis were making, and they certainly didn't let the uninformed American know of what was going on either. The average american has no idea where their money goes when they put gas in their SUV's . Why do we focus on our own lives and obsess over stupid political "scandals" and pay no attention to what is going on in the rest of the world until it hits home? Then it's too late. It's like the saying that "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure". Looking at what has happened in the Iraq war, which was supposedly the cure for Bin Laden (LOL) you can see just how damaging a "cure" can be. It's like treating an AIDS patient with chemotherapy and wondering why they aren't getting better. No, after we began our occupation in Iraq, the people who hated us began to hate us infinitely more, and to be honest, I think they are justified. The Bush Administration were the ones who gave $43 MILLION dollars to the Taliban right before they attacked us. There is a long history of the U.S. cooperating with terrorists when the terrorism was going on in other countries (for example, we helped put Sadam Hussein in power, we worked WITH Osama Bin Laden, we worked WITH Nicaraguan terrorists during the Iran-Contra Affair, etc...). Our hands are not clean. |
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Jul 28, 2009 9:59:17 GMT -5
Post by Cepha on Jul 28, 2009 9:59:17 GMT -5
You think that taking out saddam hussien was a mistake? His people were terrified of him. We did the right thing, and im sure most of the iraqies are happy and glad we did what we did and are continuing to do. We should've never have put Saddam in power in the first place Marcie. It's our fault that he killed 150,000 Kurds when Bush Senior told them to rise up against him and that we'd help them rebel. When they did, just like his "Read my lips" lie, he didn't help them leaving those poor people to be slaughtered. And, according to The Catholic Church, we didn't do the right thing. You are against The Church on this one. And, it was Iraqis who were killing our soldiers...so they didn't seem too happy with our being there. In fact, they wanted us out years ago. Thank gosh President Obama is getting us out of there. Once the truth came out about The Bush Administrations lies to take us to war so that he could go get revenge on the man who laughed at his daddy's failed attempt to get him, America turned against the war in Iraq. It was that war (and not terrorism) that put our country in the Recession that President Obama is now getting us out of. |
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Obama
Jul 28, 2009 10:06:51 GMT -5
Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jul 28, 2009 10:06:51 GMT -5
So tell me this one thing...do you think Saddam needed to be killed?
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Obama
Jul 28, 2009 10:07:17 GMT -5
Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jul 28, 2009 10:07:17 GMT -5
Oh and his own people hung him...so i think they were quite happy with what we did!
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Obama
Jul 28, 2009 10:24:33 GMT -5
Post by Cepha on Jul 28, 2009 10:24:33 GMT -5
So tell me this one thing...do you think Saddam needed to be killed? No. Vengeance is God's, not ours. The Catholic Church is against Capitol Punishment except in the most extreme cases. Besides, we didn't kill Saddam, it was The Iraqis who did. |
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Obama
Jul 28, 2009 10:27:02 GMT -5
Post by Cepha on Jul 28, 2009 10:27:02 GMT -5
Oh and his own people hung him...so i think they were quite happy with what we did! Yep, that's what I said. They killed him. As far as them being happy with us...that's another matter. You do know that they were killing our soldiers, right? It was The Insurgency (made up of Iraqis) that killed more soldiers than Saddam ever did. |
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Obama
Jul 28, 2009 13:41:49 GMT -5
Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jul 28, 2009 13:41:49 GMT -5
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Jul 28, 2009 18:14:43 GMT -5
Post by teresahrc on Jul 28, 2009 18:14:43 GMT -5
Even if the Iraqis did like us, do you think that it is a good thing that the rest of "Muslim world" hates us even more because of Iraq?
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Obama
Jul 28, 2009 22:10:48 GMT -5
Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jul 28, 2009 22:10:48 GMT -5
They dont hate us because of Iraq.... they are raised to kill americans, remember it gets them straight to allah or whoever their god is. These people(terrorist) or deranged people.
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Obama
Jul 29, 2009 9:48:37 GMT -5
Post by Cepha on Jul 29, 2009 9:48:37 GMT -5
Actually, it was a Sunni/Shiite thing. They hate each other. When Saddam was in power, he was part of the minority religion and he abused the other religion through force. He was a Sunni. Once the Shiites got into power, they began ethnic cleansing of Sunnis and it was payback time. That could happen here one day if we don't come together and stop the racist brutalization of minorities. |
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Jul 29, 2009 9:55:09 GMT -5
Post by Cepha on Jul 29, 2009 9:55:09 GMT -5
Even if the Iraqis did like us, do you think that it is a good thing that the rest of "Muslim world" hates us even more because of Iraq? Remember right after 9/11? We had the Muslim world on our side and the rest of the world said "We are all Americans today." But what happened after that? All that good will went to waste when we illegally began an unprovoked war against a sovereign nation that had nothing to do with the attacks upon us. In the interim, we let Osama Bin Laden escape, helped his family escape from the U.S. into the safety of their own country and Al Quaeda got away with the biggest attack in U.S. history on U.S. soil. Sad. Sad. Sad. And, humiliating. But, President Obama is taking care of business! Going back into Afghanistan (which was considered a "JUST" war by The Catholic Church!) and killing Osama's son! Pay back is a female dog! Get ready Osama! You next!  |
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Obama
Jul 29, 2009 10:19:00 GMT -5
Post by Cepha on Jul 29, 2009 10:19:00 GMT -5
They dont hate us because of Iraq.... they are raised to kill americans, remember it gets them straight to allah or whoever their god is. These people(terrorist) or deranged people. You're so backwards on this. Don't you know that Iranians love Americans? Iraqis love Americans. They just hate what our government (namely George Bush I & II have done to their country). Why the War Against Iraq is a War Against America.
by David Duke
Broadcast Date 11/01/2002The War Against America America is now at war against Iraq. No, we are not yet invading Iraq, but we are regularly bombing the country and preparing to invade Iraq in the weeks or months ahead. Over the last ten years American blockades and bombing have killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians.
Most of the victims of the embargo have been children and the elderly and even official reports by the United Nations have estimated that about one million have died. This ongoing war has cost Americans billions of tax dollars, and is one of the primary reasons that America has suffered the horrific terrorism of the attacks on the Pentagon and World Trade Center on September 11, 2001.
Even bin Laden himself said that the deaths of Iraqi children by the American embargo was as one of his motivations for terrorism against America. His primary anger, of course, has always been the slavish American support of the criminal state of Israel.
When she was Secretary of State, that horrific Jewish crone, Madeline Albright, stated on the “Sixty Minutes” television program that the death of 600,000 Iraqi Children was “worth it” to hurt Saddam Hussein. www.davidduke.com/general/the-war-against-america_8.html |
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