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Obama
Jul 29, 2009 14:18:05 GMT -5
Post by alfie on Jul 29, 2009 14:18:05 GMT -5
They dont hate us because of Iraq.... they are raised to kill americans, remember it gets them straight to allah or whoever their god is. These people(terrorist) or deranged people. You're so backwards on this. Don't you know that Iranians love Americans? Iraqis love Americans. They just hate what our government (namely George Bush I & II have done to their country). Why the War Against Iraq is a War Against America.
by David Duke
Broadcast Date 11/01/2002The War Against America America is now at war against Iraq. No, we are not yet invading Iraq, but we are regularly bombing the country and preparing to invade Iraq in the weeks or months ahead. Over the last ten years American blockades and bombing have killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians.
Most of the victims of the embargo have been children and the elderly and even official reports by the United Nations have estimated that about one million have died. This ongoing war has cost Americans billions of tax dollars, and is one of the primary reasons that America has suffered the horrific terrorism of the attacks on the Pentagon and World Trade Center on September 11, 2001.
Even bin Laden himself said that the deaths of Iraqi children by the American embargo was as one of his motivations for terrorism against America. His primary anger, of course, has always been the slavish American support of the criminal state of Israel.
When she was Secretary of State, that horrific Jewish crone, Madeline Albright, stated on the “Sixty Minutes” television program that the death of 600,000 Iraqi Children was “worth it” to hurt Saddam Hussein. www.davidduke.com/general/the-war-against-america_8.htmlSo you chose a Nazi to make your point. David Duke would like to overthrow our government just like the terrorists. And why are you blaming Bush for all of this? You forgot that the World Trade Center was also bombed by the Moslems when Bill Clinton was president. The terrorists placed bombs in the basement of the WTC but it failed to topple the towers. The terrorists learned from that experience that in order to bring the towers down you had to hit the center of the towers like they did when they flew planes into them. |
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Obama
Jul 29, 2009 16:10:08 GMT -5
Post by teresahrc on Jul 29, 2009 16:10:08 GMT -5
They dont hate us because of Iraq.... they are raised to kill americans, remember it gets them straight to allah or whoever their god is. These people(terrorist) or deranged people. I said they hate us MORE because of Iraq. |
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Obama
Jul 29, 2009 16:15:13 GMT -5
Post by teresahrc on Jul 29, 2009 16:15:13 GMT -5
I don't remember that! I remember seeing many of them rejoicing in the streets.
Of course, our allies only pretended to feel sorry for us.
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Obama
Jul 29, 2009 22:30:13 GMT -5
Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jul 29, 2009 22:30:13 GMT -5
First of all they struck blood first! Us did not intentionally kill children, they just happened to be innocent bystanders. The terrorist intentionally killed..mothers,daughters,fathers,and sons working in the twin towers.
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Obama
Jul 29, 2009 23:01:09 GMT -5
Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jul 29, 2009 23:01:09 GMT -5
President Clinton’s statement in February 2000: ‘one of the best things we could do for the long term peace and health of the Middle East and indeed, much of the rest of the world, is to have a constructive partnership with Iran.’5
All these developments tended only to strengthen the hopes that after almost two decades of adversarial relations, the United States and Iran had both begun to demonstrate an interest in breaking out of this stalemate. However, further progress in improving relations was put on hold while America elected a new president. In January 2001, George W. Bush entered the White House. President Bush’s perceptions of Iran conformed much more to those of his father when he was president than to Clinton’s. President Bush still saw Iran as it was described in the early years of the Revolution: a ‘sponsor of terrorism’, a threatening force in the region, and an avowed enemy of the US. As such, he reversed the Clinton era proactive shift in Iran policy firmly back to one of containment.6 This was the state of affairs in the Iran-US relations when the suicide attackers hit America on September 11, 2001.
Iranian Response to September 11 Attacks
The calamity that hit America on September 11, 2001, made the entire world condemn its culprits in the most unequivocal terms. Even a country like Iran that had till then been locked in an extremely adversarial relationship with the US did not fail to convey its sympathies for the aggrieved Americans.
President Khatami was among the first to lend his voice to the chorus of world leaders condemning the September eleven attacks : ‘on behalf of the Iranian government and the nation, I condemn the highjacking attempts and terrorist attacks on public centers in American cities which have killed a large number of innocent people.’ 7
Even the conservative media and authorities followed the people by condemning the terrorist acts. A hardliner magazine Siyasat-e-Ruz observed, ‘any act that victimises innocent people, whatever their race or nationality, for achieving the goal of greedy international politics, is severely condemned and is a terrorist and anti-human act.’8 More important, sixty thousand spectators observed a minute of silence during a soccer match in Iran’s Azadi stadium, and hundreds of young Iranians held a candlelit vigil in Tehran for the victims of September 11 attacks.9 Even the routine chants of ‘death to America’ that have become a staple part of Friday prayers in Iran ceased. To exhibit such a degree of unanimity over a foreign policy issue was simply unprecedented in the recent history of the Islamic Republic.
Tehran did not stop there and went a step ahead by offering logistical support to America. Following the US decision to wage war on the Taliban and al-Qaeda, Iran offered the use of its territory to carry out search and rescue missions for American soldiers.10 Iran expressed its willingness even to join the UN-led anti-terror campaign. Former President Akbar Hashami Rafsanjani said, ‘if the United States decides not to impose its own will, we are ready to join the anti-terrorism coalition under the umbrella of the United Nations despite our differences with the United States.’11 Notwithstanding the ‘with us or against us’ atmosphere created by the White House after September 11, that was a remarkable concession on the part of the Islamic Republic.
Iranians, however, were no philanthropists. They must have viewed the situation as a golden opportunity to settle their scores with the Taliban with whom they had long been at daggers drawn. Anyhow, whatever their intentions, their assistance must have come as a pleasant surprise to the Americans.
President Bush’s ‘Axis of Evil’ Speech
It was amidst this situation that President George W. Bush delivered his first State of the Union address in January 2002, in which he outlined the US foreign policy objectives in the days ahead. Among the goals, he said, was the goal ‘to prevent regimes that sponsor terror from threatening America, or our friends and allies, with weapons of mass destruction. Iran aggressively pursues these weapons and exports terror, while an unelected few repress Iranian people’s hope for freedom. States like these and their terrorist allies constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world’.13
The speech shattered all hopes to smithereens of any speedy rapprochement, leave alone a warming of relations, between the US and Iran. Worst of all, it undermined the confidence of pro-détente Iranians in America’s intentions, and would have made them have second thoughts about embarking upon a reconciliatory path towards the US. It led Iranian moderates to abandon the quest for better relations with the US. President Khatami criticized US arrogance, stating: ‘when a big power uses a militant, humiliating, and threatening tone to speak to us, our nation will refuse to negotiate or show any flexibility.’14 The speech came as a bolt from the blue for most of the observers of Iran-US relations. President Bush surprised many throughout the world when he used the word ‘evil’ to describe a country that had most recently given strategic support to the US in its Afghan war.15 The speech, however, brought to the fore the fact that the differences between the United States and Iran were too deep-rooted to be overcome by some temporary convergence of their interests. In the following discussion, we will try to explore the real dimensions of Iran-US relations by analysing the factors that seem to have led President Bush to adopt such a bellicose rhetoric towards Iran.
So, for decades iran did not like us,but then they did under bill clinton, then did under bush until he called them a terrorist country. So, we have not always gotten along with the Iranians.
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Obama
Jul 30, 2009 8:22:20 GMT -5
Post by Cepha on Jul 30, 2009 8:22:20 GMT -5
So you chose a Nazi to make your point. David Duke would like to overthrow our government just like the terrorists. Yes. And don't forget, he's a racist too. Because of his failures as President to confirm the information he received and his lies to the American people. Those within his own administration says that all he wanted to do right after 9/11 was to tie Iraq into the attacks by any means neccessary. Exactly, under President Bill Clinton, no terrorist attack was ever successful on American soil. What they tried to do under President Clinton and failed at, they succeeded under George Bush. And by the way, I use that same example to prove to people how the terrorist were using Iraq as a training ground to attack us here. Have you ever noticed (and I payed close attention to their tactics because I was in the military) that they would mostly attack The Green Zone? Do you know what The Green Zone was? It was central command for the U.S. It was the most heavily fortified area in Iraq. And why did they attack there so much? Because they were practicing to see what worked and what didn't work against U.S. security. Now, thanks to Bush, they had a much bigger training camp than they did in Afghanistan and instead of "play fighting" with each other, they actually got some hands on experience with real life American soldiers (which by they way, they killed). Now, the 2nd phase of their attack on our way of life is getting ready to come. But they won't do it during President Obama's administration. They want him to succeed. Their going to wait. And who can we thank for successfully giving them this great training and recruiting opportunity? Former President George Bush. Under George Bush, terrorism grew to unprecedented levels. If he had never gone into Iraq with his lies about WMD's and had focused on those who actually attacked us, maybe today, Osama Bin Laden wouldn't be laughing at us. George Bush failed to capture and bring to justice the man who attacked America. And because of him, over 4,000 Americans died for a lie (WMD's).  |
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Obama
Jul 30, 2009 8:56:25 GMT -5
Post by Cepha on Jul 30, 2009 8:56:25 GMT -5
I don't remember that! I remember seeing many of them rejoicing in the streets. Of course, our allies only pretended to feel sorry for us. What do you know! What are you? Anti-Arab!?!? One day, the armies of Mohammed (Reeses Pieces be upon him!) will rise and teach the infidel true humility! Barahh! Akbar! Barahh! Akbar! Barahh! Akbar! ;D |
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Obama
Jul 30, 2009 9:35:02 GMT -5
Post by Cepha on Jul 30, 2009 9:35:02 GMT -5
First of all they struck blood first! No, we did when we "meddled" in Middle Eastern Affairs. Remember the Iran/Contra Affair of The Reagan Administration? Remember how we supported Muslim Guerillas in Middle Eastern Wars? Muslims died because we supported these terrorists and they used American weapons to spill Muslim blood. This is why they hated us. That's not true. We (our government) actively supported Muslim terrorists in other countries before we ourselves were attacked. Did you know that we helped Saddam Hussein come into power? Did you know what we used to work "with" Osama Bin Laden before he attacked us? Sleep with a dog, wake up with fleas. Right...after we "intentionally" supported them. When you dance with the Devil, he leads. We created them and helped them and then, they turned on us. But hey! Don't forget, we have more problems with U.S. Homegrown Terrorists than we've ever had with foreign terrorists. I wonder why I never hear "patriots" complaining about them? Could it be that it's ok for us to get attacked by terrorists as long as their not Arabs?  |
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Obama
Jul 30, 2009 9:36:15 GMT -5
Post by Cepha on Jul 30, 2009 9:36:15 GMT -5
So, for decades iran did not like us,but then they did under bill clinton, then did under bush until he called them a terrorist country. So, we have not always gotten along with the Iranians. Thank you sooooo much for pointing that out Marcie! I couldn't have done a better job myself! ;D |
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Obama
Jul 30, 2009 23:02:06 GMT -5
Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jul 30, 2009 23:02:06 GMT -5
Your welcome, i post all truth if i can find it. But you said we have always had good relations with the iranians before bush, but that was false as you can see.
Anyhow, The american terrorists should go to hell just like the foreign terrorists, you are either with us or against us! There are americans that have gone to iraq to join the terrorists, good let them stay there and get their butts slaughtered!
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Obama
Jul 31, 2009 8:17:22 GMT -5
Post by Cepha on Jul 31, 2009 8:17:22 GMT -5
Your welcome, i post all truth if i can find it. But you said we have always had good relations with the iranians before bush, but that was false as you can see. Wrong. I never said we "always" had good relations with them BEFORE Bush. I said they love us now. And that Bush's actions made them hate us. And that (which is proven in your own posting) is true! ;D The ones we need to get rid of are the ones that are here right now...the Right/Left Wing Radical Extremists. Extremism in any sense is never good. See, I love that we have two parties (at least). One keeps the other in check so than an abuse of power is rare. Unfortunately, because of the Dems crazy agenda in the late 90's (gay marriage being taught in school, homosexuality being incorporated in kindergarten classes, abortion on demand, etc...), they lost a lot of power with the 2000 elections. The country suffered for that by having rampant Republicans who blew the budget out of the box and started an unjust war. So, then we had to pay for overcompensating against the Dems with the Repubs. Now, we have a moderate government which is what we need. One that's reasonable and practical. All we have to do is to look at the numbers and the mood in the country since our current government took office...the economy is stabilizing, we are getting control again and the recession is ending. All good things for ALL Americans. There are always going to be some nutjobs who won't be happy unless our country is in turmoil, but they are a dieing breed. Remember when Janet Napolitano (Homeland Security Director) said that we needed to watch out for the Extremists groups and I posted that thread on how EWTN hosts were lieing about The President? What happened? Sure enough, everything she said came true. We had the Recruiters killed. We had the abortion doctor killed. We've had numerous plots to assasinate The President of The United States foiled. It's just true. The election of President Barack Hussein Obama has angered extremists to the point that they only see red and are willing to die and to risk their lives and to kill Americans in order to stop what happened in the last election...they don't want to and cannot accept that America is evoloving and growing. But, all their going to do is to damage their own cause because when things get tough, true Americans band together. And that's what's happening now. We are coming together. Thank God. |
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