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Post by teresahrc on Jun 29, 2009 11:32:17 GMT -5
So, when Jesus told St. John at the cross,
"Here is your Mother" Was he then her son genetically or spiritually?
What about calling other Christians "brother" or "sister"? Is that literal or spiritual?
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 29, 2009 11:32:37 GMT -5
Of course Mary was the mother of Christ.
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Post by Cepha on Jun 29, 2009 11:33:30 GMT -5
Jesus came out of the tribe of Judah, so Israel is also the mother of Christ. But Israel did not flee into the wilderness for 3 1/2 years after Jesus was born like Revelation 12 says. Only Mary did that! Ok, so who is The woman who fled to the wilderness for 1260 days in Revelation 12 since it's not Israel and according to you it's not Mary. Now you have 3 women to describe. 1. The one who gave birth to Jesus Christ 2. The one who fled to the wilderness for 3 1/2 years 3. The one through whom's womb came man's salvation Remember the following when you answer: 1. Israel rejected Jesus Christ. Could Jesus be born of a mother who rejects Him? 2. Israel never fled to the wilderness for 3 1/2 years after Jesus was born. 3. Israel does "not" have the Testimony of Jesus Christ (they reject that He is The Messiah). Ok...go! |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 29, 2009 11:33:35 GMT -5
Heather, I'd have to read that scripture. But John was either his literal brother, so Mary's other son....or Jesus could have been "giving" her to him, since she was a widow and had no other man to care for her.
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Post by Cepha on Jun 29, 2009 11:33:52 GMT -5
Of course Mary was the mother of Christ. But not in Revelation 12?  |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 29, 2009 11:34:24 GMT -5
Emily, you do believe that Jesus was a real, physical human being right? Some people believe that He is only "spiritually" God's Son.
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Post by Cepha on Jun 29, 2009 11:34:42 GMT -5
Jesus came out of the tribe of Judah, so Israel is also the mother of Christ. Israel is "also" the mother of Christ? Where is that in The Bible? The Bible only says that Mary is The Mother of Christ! Not Israel! |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 29, 2009 11:36:09 GMT -5
Emily, Why be afraid of Mary? She loves you. She loves you more than your own mother loves you.
Why be afraid of the Mother of your Savior? It breaks my heart.
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 29, 2009 11:36:14 GMT -5
Israel fled into the wilderness as well.
Hosea 2:14-15:
14Therefore, behold, I will allure her, and bring her into the wilderness, and speak comfortably unto her. 15And I will give her her vineyards from thence, and the valley of Achor for a door of hope: and she shall sing there, as in the days of her youth, and as in the day when she came up out of the land of Egypt.
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Post by Cepha on Jun 29, 2009 11:36:40 GMT -5
Heather, I'd have to read that scripture. But John was either his literal brother, so Mary's other son....or Jesus could have been "giving" her to him, since she was a widow and had no other man to care for her. If Jesus had any "brothers", they would automatically been responsible for her care. He would'nt have to announce that. Also, John The Apostle is "not" Jesus' brother. This is who was at The Cross with Mary. And, no where in scripture does it state that Mary ever had any children. And, no one is called Mary's children by any defining name. Not once. So none of what you wrote corresponds with scripture. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 29, 2009 11:38:07 GMT -5
Israel fled into the wilderness as well. Hosea 2:14-15: 14Therefore, behold, I will allure her, and bring her into the wilderness, and speak comfortably unto her. 15And I will give her her vineyards from thence, and the valley of Achor for a door of hope: and she shall sing there, as in the days of her youth, and as in the day when she came up out of the land of Egypt. NOT for 3 1/2 years! And NOT AFTER Jesus was born! You can't mix up the timelines or only take "part" of the verse! LOL! However, Mary went to Egypt for 3 1/2 years and this is undeniable! And, we don't have to break up the verses or change the timelines to suit a belief that doesn't exist! We can take the bible literally 'as written'! |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 29, 2009 11:38:58 GMT -5
Also, where does it say that Mary was a widow? You got that from the Catholic Church! Church Tradition!
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Post by Cepha on Jun 29, 2009 11:39:37 GMT -5
Jesus came out of the tribe of Judah, so Israel is also the mother of Christ. But Israel did not flee into the wilderness for 3 1/2 years after Jesus was born like Revelation 12 says. Only Mary did that! Ok, so who is The woman who fled to the wilderness for 1260 days in Revelation 12 since it's not Israel and according to you it's not Mary.Now you have 3 women to describe. 1. The one who gave birth to Jesus Christ 2. The one who fled to the wilderness for 3 1/2 years 3. The one through whom's womb came man's salvation Remember the following when you answer: 1. Israel rejected Jesus Christ. Could Jesus be born of a mother who rejects Him?2. Israel never fled to the wilderness for 3 1/2 years after Jesus was born. 3. Israel does "not" have the Testimony of Jesus Christ (they reject that He is The Messiah). Ok...go! So, these questions have yet to be answered as your first answer was incorrect... |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 29, 2009 11:40:02 GMT -5
Rev doesn't say after Jesus was born does the woman go into the wilderness.
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Post by Cepha on Jun 29, 2009 11:40:35 GMT -5
Also, where does it say that Mary was a widow? You got that from the Catholic Church! Church Tradition! That's right! The Bible never said that Joseph died. This "assuming" from the text or personal interpretation (unless, there is a scripture that says this?). |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 29, 2009 11:44:15 GMT -5
Huh, then I guess it was his physical mother, phsyical brother of Jesus.
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Post by Cepha on Jun 29, 2009 11:46:18 GMT -5
Rev doesn't say after Jesus was born does the woman go into the wilderness. Wrong! Revelation 12 5And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. 6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. See that? She gave birth to Jesus first, THEN fled into the wilderness after! Only Jesus is The One who would rule all nations with an iron rod! Rev 2:27And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.Rev 19 15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 29, 2009 11:47:31 GMT -5
It doesn't say 'and then'. It's describing who the woman is.
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Post by Cepha on Jun 29, 2009 11:49:42 GMT -5
It doesn't say 'and then'. It's describing who the woman is.
6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. But verse 5 comes " after" verse 6! Are you saying that these events are NOT in chronological order?  |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 29, 2009 11:57:55 GMT -5
Verse 17 doesn't make much sense if it is Mary.
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