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Post by emily445455 on Jul 1, 2009 15:54:08 GMT -5
Okay, I am confused. It does mean offspring sometimes in the Bible.
Well, anyways, Rev 12 makes the most sense if it is Israel.
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Post by Ramon on Jul 1, 2009 16:00:23 GMT -5
Okay, I am confused. It does mean offspring sometimes in the Bible. Glad you came around Em. Well, anyways, Rev 12 makes the most sense if it is Israel. Only to you. But it makes perfect sense if Revelation 12 was talking about Mary, the Theotokos.  In IC.XC, Ramon |
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Post by emily445455 on Jul 1, 2009 16:06:14 GMT -5
Yeah it does...that's why God asks us to be workmen who study, not just reader-men.
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Post by Ramon on Jul 1, 2009 16:07:43 GMT -5
Yeah it does...that's why God asks us to be workmen who study, not just reader-men. Yup, I am workmen, and I find that Revelation 12 as referring to Mary, the Theotokos, makes perfect sense. Wouldn't you agree? In IC.XC, Ramon |
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Post by emily445455 on Jul 1, 2009 16:37:35 GMT -5
Only if you don't study it Reading it, yup....but upon further investigation...... |
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Post by Ramon on Jul 1, 2009 19:14:22 GMT -5
Only if you don't study it Reading it, yup....but upon further investigation...... What you mean? Yup, I have study Scriptures, and Revelation 12 as a referenced to Mary, the Theotokos, makes perfect sense! In IC.XC, Ramon |
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Post by emily445455 on Jul 1, 2009 20:55:11 GMT -5
You should study it without your Orthodox glasses on  |
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Post by Ramon on Jul 1, 2009 21:48:06 GMT -5
You should study it without your Orthodox glasses on Why would I do that? It is only way I can be sure I am in the Truth. My Orthodox glasses is my life! Do you have Baptist glasses? I think you do! In IC.XC, Ramon |
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Post by emily445455 on Jul 1, 2009 21:51:48 GMT -5
I pray that God puts humility glasses on me while I try to understand His Word.
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Post by Ramon on Jul 1, 2009 22:06:39 GMT -5
I pray that God puts humility glasses on me while I try to understand His Word. Me too! Without humility, we are nothing! I have a whole set of glasses on when I study Scriptures! In IC.XC, Ramon |
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Post by Cepha on Jul 2, 2009 8:39:03 GMT -5
Wait a min. You guys have me all confused. Genesis says "HER SEED" . How can you trying to explain that away? I don't know how this is complicated? Who gives birth to their children? The Mother. I don't know why anyone is still arguinging this. Well, they say that women have no seed. The Bible says that women have seed. Who do we believe? The Bible! It's "that" simple! |
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Post by Cepha on Jul 2, 2009 8:53:13 GMT -5
Okay, I am confused. It does mean offspring sometimes in the Bible. Well, anyways, Rev 12 makes the most sense if it is Israel. Again, how can it be Israel if Israel rejected Jesus and persecuted Him? How can Jesus be born of such a rotten fruit? And, why does a nation make more sense than the actual "woman" that literally/historically and actually gave birth to Jesus? Explain how that all makes sense? Israel did not give birth to Christianity. Israel persecuted Christians. Israel (even today) rejects Christ. How was Jesus born from that? Mary DID give birth to Christ. Mary DID NOT persecute Christians. Mary (even today) accepts Jesus Christ. |
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Post by Cepha on Jul 2, 2009 9:19:31 GMT -5
You should study it without your Orthodox glasses on Why would I do that? It is only way I can be sure I am in the Truth. My Orthodox glasses is my life! Do you have Baptist glasses? I think you do! In IC.XC, Ramon I don't know about you guys, but I'm as blind as a bat!  (Let those who have eyes actually "see" what I just said!) |
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