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Post by reinabella on Apr 23, 2008 22:12:56 GMT -5
I think he was trying to say "homosexual pedifile" Meaning he was both. true. You're prob right.. But I guess I'm looking at it from the point of someone who has many gay friends.. ANd it's really insulting to them to say "pedophile homosexual" because it's really TWO completely diff things them and when they're united, it really is like saying that pedophiles are all homsexuals or vice versa.. I guess it's my sensitive side.. But you're right I"m sure he meant the two seperately and not mutually. :-) |
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Post by reinabella on Apr 23, 2008 22:17:12 GMT -5
Is it true that penticostals cant cut their hair or what is that all about? Why cant they wear pants? Is that biblical? Good questions. It's a very old belief and yes, we "thought" it was biblical.. I can give you a few examples if you want. HOwever, that's very old school and most pentecostals churches have realized that those rules were man made and have dettered and corrected themselves in those beliefs. I didn't cut my hair for quite some time and I didn't wear pants until I was about 20. However I can say that most pentecostals churches have realized the mistake they made and have replaced those beliefs with more biblically based beliefs. Many Pentecostal churches have what we called man made beliefs that were interpretations of verses that were interpreted differently by many people. I think now the pentecostal church has realized that alot of those beliefs were really just wrong interpretated and have changed their ways.. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 23, 2008 22:28:11 GMT -5
so you are penticostal? What are yalls beliefs on that kind of stuff, like rules or man made laws?
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Post by reinabella on Apr 23, 2008 22:40:13 GMT -5
so you are penticostal? What are yalls beliefs on that kind of stuff, like rules or man made laws?[/quote No, I'm not anything at this point. I left church when I was about 21. There are a million beliefs.. so you'd have to ask me so I can pin point what you want. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 23, 2008 22:43:47 GMT -5
I dont know any other than what my eyes have seen. Ive never stepped foot into a penticostals church. I will say this...my mawmaw's good friend was a penticostal and my maw told me that she was VERY anti-catholic and it almost ruined their friendship, but my maw maw is a very forgiving person and would just ignore her anti-catholic comments. She actually told her to leave her religon at the door when she came over. lol They were good people though!
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Post by reinabella on Apr 23, 2008 22:50:29 GMT -5
I dont know any other than what my eyes have seen. Ive never stepped foot into a penticostals church. I will say this...my mawmaw's good friend was a penticostal and my maw told me that she was VERY anti-catholic and it almost ruined their friendship, but my maw maw is a very forgiving person and would just ignore her anti-catholic comments. She actually told her to leave her religon at the door when she came over. lol They were good people though! LOL that' awful! I guess it really does depend because i went to youth camps for years, teen camps, young adult camps..then my Christian university and I never had that. In fact, i think I"m more ignorant to Catholic beliefs then anything. We just never spoke about it. I get the whole "leave religion at the door" comment though..LOL I've said that many of times to everyone becasue I HATE talking about religion. It just divides more then it unites. But really, we aren't (or I wasn't) that bad. We just never spoke about it. THe only time I had alot of conversations with AND about the Catholic Church was with the girl across my hall at my school because she was literally one of maybe like 20 Catholics at my school (which was interesting becuase we were such a Charistmatic school).. but it was always cool. |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 23, 2008 23:07:24 GMT -5
I love the old school Pentecostals.
No make up, jewelry, provocative clothing, smoking, drinking, drugs, partying, kept long hair, etc...
They had it right.
Once they became more liberal and left their roots, Pentecostalism collapsed into sub-divisions where the enemy was no longer Satan, but themselves.
That's sad for me...reminds me of The Great Schism of The Universal Church and The Orthodox Church.
The best Christians are those that adhere to what The Bible teaches (whether they be Catholics or Protestants).
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Post by reinabella on Apr 26, 2008 12:02:13 GMT -5
I love the old school Pentecostals. No make up, jewelry, provocative clothing, smoking, drinking, drugs, partying, kept long hair, etc... They had it right. Once they became more liberal and left their roots, Pentecostalism collapsed into sub-divisions where the enemy was no longer Satan, but themselves. That's sad for me...reminds me of The Great Schism of The Universal Church and The Orthodox Church. The best Christians are those that adhere to what The Bible teaches (whether they be Catholics or Protestants). oh I don't think they've moved too much though... you still can't drink, party, smoke, drugs, etc. I think the biggest change was actually the pants! LOL I don't think they had it wrong or right back then, i just think that they were too focussed on those man made rules at points. There are still many old school pente-pente churches (That's what my friends call it ..lol) but i would just never belong to one. Just from my experiences that's all. My friends mom still belongs to my old church and she still has the long hair, stil has the skirts... |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 28, 2008 9:10:02 GMT -5
That, and I believe that the women began to shave off their mustaches too! (LOL! Don't get mad, you know for some reason, Pentecostal women [especially Puerto Rican Pentecostal women!] have mustaches!).
Rules are cool (God had over 600 of them), but not at the exclusion of Scripture.
Even still, they aren't as hard core as the hard core Catholics are who's women still wear the head coverings in Mass.
I see the hard core Pentecostals coming closer to The Catholic Church. Now, they use images of Christ and they use crosses and some even use crucifixes.
I saw this Pentecostal woman in the back of a bus crying over how her daughter was giving her problems. I felt like I would cry myself. I listened to her talk about her daughter the whole ride.
Without thinking, as I got up to get off of the bus, I took my rosary and placed it in her hand and told her to pray and that everything would be ok. She looked at the rosary and held it up. Tears came out of her eyes. She clutched it and blessed me.
She didn't for one minute see it as a tool to get to Mary or as anything pagan. She saw my Christian love for her as a Sister in Christ and she saw her pain reflected in my eyes. She thanked me and held my arm and blessed me in God's name.
At that moment, she didn't see a Catholic with a Bible in his hand...she saw a Christian Believer supporting her...as I would think Jesus would want us all to do regardless of our faith or lack thereof.
If we're supposed to feed and care for our enemies, what are we supposed to do for our brethren?
Events like that in my life changed a part of me and made me even more Christian.
It's not my Catholicism that makes me a Christian. It's my allowing Christ to manifest Himself within me that makes me a Christian.
My Catholicism (my "universal" manner in which I practice my faith) is just an my outward expression of my faith.
My faith is in Christ, not in a religion. I am a Catholic because I am a Christian first, not a Christian because I am a Catholic first.
I didn't write this to brag about how great and holy I am.
I am nothing.
I wrote it to show how God works beyond religions.
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Post by reinabella on Apr 28, 2008 18:26:10 GMT -5
That, and I believe that the women began to shave off their mustaches too! (LOL! Don't get mad, you know for some reason, Pentecostal women [ especially Puerto Rican Pentecostal women!] have mustaches!). Rules are cool (God had over 600 of them), but not at the exclusion of Scripture. Even still, they aren't as hard core as the hard core Catholics are who's women still wear the head coverings in Mass. I see the hard core Pentecostals coming closer to The Catholic Church. Now, they use images of Christ and they use crosses and some even use crucifixes. I saw this Pentecostal woman in the back of a bus crying over how her daughter was giving her problems. I felt like I would cry myself. I listened to her talk about her daughter the whole ride. Without thinking, as I got up to get off of the bus, I took my rosary and placed it in her hand and told her to pray and that everything would be ok. She looked at the rosary and held it up. Tears came out of her eyes. She clutched it and blessed me. She didn't for one minute see it as a tool to get to Mary or as anything pagan. She saw my Christian love for her as a Sister in Christ and she saw her pain reflected in my eyes. She thanked me and held my arm and blessed me in God's name. At that moment, she didn't see a Catholic with a Bible in his hand...she saw a Christian Believer supporting her...as I would think Jesus would want us all to do regardless of our faith or lack thereof. If we're supposed to feed and care for our enemies, what are we supposed to do for our brethren? Events like that in my life changed a part of me and made me even more Christian. It's not my Catholicism that makes me a Christian. It's my allowing Christ to manifest Himself within me that makes me a Christian. My Catholicism (my "universal" manner in which I practice my faith) is just an my outward expression of my faith. My faith is in Christ, not in a religion. I am a Catholic because I am a Christian first, not a Christian because I am a Catholic first. I didn't write this to brag about how great and holy I am. I am nothing. I wrote it to show how God works beyond religions. who cares about how "hard core" catholics are vs. Protestants.. you alwaysh ave to make this an us vs them thing. No one's comparing.. I'm simply talking how the pentecostals were to how they are.. Anyway, how did you know that woman was pentecostal? But you're right, spirituality transcends any religion. We all agree on that. |
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Post by redsoxfan on May 25, 2008 21:48:39 GMT -5
Heya Knuckle,
God established the way Catholics view the sacrament of confession. Why do we have to confess to a priest? Because it is that much more difficult! Remember God forgives all sin, when you ask for it. As for the recommendations of the priest that changes with the individual priest. Some will and some won't.
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Post by Cepha on May 25, 2008 21:54:59 GMT -5
Heya Knuckle, God established the way Catholics view the sacrament of confession. Why do we have to confess to a priest? Because it is that much more difficult! Remember God forgives all sin, when you ask for it. As for the recommendations of the priest that changes with the individual priest. Some will and some won't. +, when Jesus healed a lepor, He told him to tell no man, but to show himself to a Priest and to do what The Priest told him to do. There are of course the scriptures where Jesus tells The Apostles (only) that whoever's sins they retain or loosen, they are retained or loosened. They were given the authority in Jesus' name. They don't do the forgiving...only God can do that. They just administer the Sacrament of Confession. This is from the Jewish practice of "atonement".  |
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Post by righteousone on May 28, 2008 11:48:07 GMT -5
Everyone here seems to think they have an answer, except Cepha who is 100% right. ;D Only God will judge who will be saved and who won't be.
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Post by Cepha on May 28, 2008 12:23:47 GMT -5
Everyone here seems to think they have an answer, except Cepha who is 100% right. ;D Only God will judge who will be saved and who won't be. Amen to the God sentiment! ;D (and blushing at the Cepha sentiment) |
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Post by knuckle on May 28, 2008 14:25:15 GMT -5
helmet getting a little tight there, Sir Cepha?
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Post by Cepha on May 28, 2008 16:09:30 GMT -5
helmet getting a little tight there, Sir Cepha?   |
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Post by knuckle on May 31, 2008 8:57:58 GMT -5
Hiya Catholics-----------
We confess to the one we sinned against.
Lets say that knuckle became angry with Cepha about a post he had made and knuckle out of anger said some really insulting things to him.
Who would knuckle confess his sin too?
First Knuckle would have to go to Cepha as he is the one who must forgive me in this life and to God because to sin against my brother is to sin against God---where is a priest needed in this?To forgive is to forget so if I make it right with God and Cepha,what good is confession or penance?
When you go to confession does the priest tell you to make it right with your brother?
much love-------------knuckle
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Post by Cepha on May 31, 2008 9:28:29 GMT -5
Hiya Catholics----------- We confess to the one we sinned against. Lets say that knuckle became angry with Cepha about a post he had made and knuckle out of anger said some really insulting things to him. Who would knuckle confess his sin too? First Knuckle would have to go to Cepha as he is the one who must forgive me in this life and to God because to sin against my brother is to sin against God---where is a priest needed in this?To forgive is to forget so if I make it right with God and Cepha,what good is confession or penance? When you go to confession does the priest tell you to make it right with your brother? much love-------------knuckle We call what you do reconcilliation. That has to be done once they've first asked God for mercy. After they have confessed to God, they seek the spiritual guidance of a man of God (a Priest). The Priest listens to the offenders confession and offers him what The Holy Spirit puts in his heart to help the one who is confessing. Then, once this person has been counseled, absolution is granted to him by The Priest. This does not mean that The Priest himself is doing the forgiving, but is acting as an agent of God. God is the one who forgives (not the man). The Priest will tell this person how to help make right his wrongs. The mercy granted by God for the sin committed against Him is conditional upon the penitant's desire to please God. If he is truly sorry, he will do what it takes to try to make things right. For example, if a man steals an apple he is to either go back to the store and pay for the apple or to somehow in some way make up for that act if possible (for example, buy and apple and give it to a homeless person who is hungry). While this may not repay the person he offended, he in someway passes on that man's loss to someone who needs it. This isn't paying for his sin. That was already done when he begged for mercy and that opportunity was granted to him by Christ's sacrifice, but it teaches the offender that sin doesn't pay, that no matter what he does wrong, he will be held accountable for it (as Jesus said so many times in His parables) and that sinning is a waste of time for the man who wants to remain close to God. I know it might seem like a lot to have to go through for a sin, but sin is a costly act. Otherwise, people could just sin, look up in the sky and say "sorry god" and keep on going about their life without any real judgement or guidance leading them to repeat sins with excuses meaning that without someone to tell them their wrong, they rely on themselves and their judgement solely. If that were the case, that the spiritual growth of a Christian is between just them and God, The Bible wouldn't have stressed fellowship as a tool for growing closer "to" God and greater in faith and by setting examples for each other to follow. In short, this communion (common union) of the bretheren is for the benefit of the brethren. If Cain instead of hating Abel loved Abel, instead of killing him, he would've accepted his fault and worked "with" Abel to learn from him. In short, when Jesus Christ gave The Apostles who were ordained Priests by a High Priest (Jesus Christ Himself) to forgive and retain sins, it wasn't for the Priest to be judges, but for the Priests to apply God's Law. Asking for forgiveness doesn't automatically grant one forgiveness. It's the intent of the penitant that God judges, not just the "words" I'm sorry. In my opinion (and I cannot state this as fact), one does not need to go through The Catholic Church to be forgiven by God. One can go to God directly and that judgement is His and His alone (it was always His and always be His). But, Catholics have the benefit if having the guidance by men who devote their lives to serving God and God only...we have the benefits of having men who have been separated by God and set aside to do His work (as God has always done in the Old Testament and the New Testament). We have the benefit of our brothers, The Priests, who love us and who work for us and who intercede for us...as this pleases God. A lot, yes...but I have to be careful about how I answer your questions. |
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Post by knuckle on May 31, 2008 9:47:32 GMT -5
Cepha------------
But we have an advocate--Christ---so if the Spirit convicts us that what we did was wrong then getting it right shouldn't take all that.
Now if one doesn't know then yes absolutely I see the need of pastors and priests to guide us,correcting if needed or if we do know but refuse then yes again the pastor or priest should rebuke us but penance like the law is for the unrighteous and the blind not as part of our walk.
I think of all our doctrinal differences this is perhaps the most prominent.
much love------------knuckle
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Post by Cepha on May 31, 2008 22:47:09 GMT -5
A Priest is not an advocate. He is a tool of God. An implement.
Like here for example...here, Jesus tells The Apostles (and only The Apostles), that they have the authority to forgive and retain sin after He personally ordained them with The Holy Spirit and with the same commission that His Father sent Him with:
John 20
21Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
22And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
23Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
If a congregant went and told his pastor that he robbed and apple and was unsure of what to do and the pastor told him to give the apple back, would you consider that penance?
We have plenty of opportunity to make up for our sins while we are on earth. For example, every good act you do is weighed against your bad acts and God takes that into consideration when your judgement comes.
In The Bible, this is known as "atonement".
Depends on which sect is being compared to Catholicism.
For some, Mary is the stumbling block.
For others, it's The Papacy.
For others, it's The Eucharist.
For others, it's Tradition.
For others, it's The Priesthood.
For others, it's Sacramentals.
Each denomination has it's personal gripe.
We're the only Christian faith that wasn't founded out of protesting anyone.
In reality, each denomination should be focused on working their own salvation out.
This is something I'm learning to do.
Last night, I removed myself from two forums voluntarily.
They weren't bad...in fact, I loved them.
But I'm going to focus on this forum and give it the attention it needs.
I don't care if I only have one member here (me! ;D )...as long as I keep it open and the ideas open.
I'd rather have two peaceful persons (whether they be Christian, Atheist, Muslim, or whatever) that contribute to each other's growth than to have a dozen that don't .
I think, what we do shouldn't be a barrier to anyone from fellowshipping with us.
It's not for Catholics.
It wasn't for Jesus either.
He never cared where you came from enough to reject you if you came to Him.
He cared about where you were going.
Pax.
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