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Post by Cepha on May 22, 2008 9:39:43 GMT -5
Which Old Testament Version did Jesus & The Apostles quote from?
The Pharisees version that didn't exist while Jesus and The Apostles taught "in" The New Testament?
Or The Septuagint which The Pharisees rejected?
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Post by righteousone on Jun 4, 2008 19:34:40 GMT -5
Which do you say cepha and why?
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Post by Cepha on Jun 4, 2008 20:35:07 GMT -5
Which do you say cepha and why? The Septuagint. As for the why, 2/3's of NT quotes are from The LXX (Septuagint). The Apostles as well as the first Christians continued this practice. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint |
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Post by kiwimac on Mar 31, 2009 16:54:31 GMT -5
The Septuagint is correct!
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Post by ezekiel33 on Mar 31, 2009 17:44:20 GMT -5
The Septuagint is correct! Yes they quoted from the Septuagint, but what is the point of this thread. There must be some reason cepha wants people to know this. |
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Post by Cepha on Mar 31, 2009 18:54:50 GMT -5
The Septuagint is correct! Yes they quoted from the Septuagint, but what is the point of this thread. There must be some reason cepha wants people to know this. Just want to know how a Christian can justify preferring the Pharisee's OT over The Christian OT. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Mar 31, 2009 18:58:42 GMT -5
Im guessing how some chose to not include some books into their bibles...
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Post by emily445455 on Mar 31, 2009 19:54:24 GMT -5
I just use the OT, no idea what ya'll are talkin about.
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Post by kiwimac on Apr 2, 2009 3:02:04 GMT -5
There is no such thing as a 'Pharisee's version' separate from the version Jesus used given that he was most certainly a pharisee himself.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 2, 2009 5:19:28 GMT -5
There is no such thing as a 'Pharisee's version' separate from the version Jesus used given that he was most certainly a pharisee himself. The Jewish OT Canon was created by The Pharisees in 90 A.D.. The Christian Canon is The Septuagint which existed for hundreds of years before Jesus was born. Jesus used The Canon that existed while He was alive (not one that wouldnt exist for 60 years after His death).  |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 2, 2009 5:21:26 GMT -5
I just use the OT, no idea what ya'll are talkin about. There are two OT canons...one is a Christian version, the other is the Pharisee's version. Christians use the Christian's version. Protestants use The Pharisee's version. |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 2, 2009 6:49:34 GMT -5
Christians use the Christian's version. Protestants use The Pharisee's version. That is a rather confusiong statement. Are you implying Protestants aren't Christians? |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 2, 2009 8:24:55 GMT -5
Christians use the Christian's version. Protestants use The Pharisee's version. That is a rather confusiong statement. Are you implying Protestants aren't Christians? Oh no, not at all. What I meant to say is that Protestant Christians are the only ones who use The Pharisees version of The OT. The rest of Christianity (Catholics and those who are Christians, but who recognize The Catholic Church an that aren't Anti-Catholic and that aren't members of The Catholic Church) use The Septugaint (the version that Jesus and The Apostles used). I'm no one to say who is or who isn't a Christian. But look at the OT used in the Protestant version of The Holy Bible and compare it to the OT used in the oldest known Bible in existance (The Codex) which is 1600 years old. You'll find that the books that Protestants reject as never having been in The Bible can be found literally in the oldest Bible in the world and in every Bible up until the 16th Century before Protestants created their own bible(s). |
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Post by ezekiel33 on Apr 2, 2009 10:16:28 GMT -5
That is a rather confusiong statement. Are you implying Protestants aren't Christians? Oh no, not at all. What I meant to say is that Protestant Christians are the only ones who use The Pharisees version of The OT. The rest of Christianity (Catholics and those who are Christians, but who recognize The Catholic Church an that aren't Anti-Catholic and that aren't members of The Catholic Church) use The Septugaint (the version that Jesus and The Apostles used). I'm no one to say who is or who isn't a Christian. But look at the OT used in the Protestant version of The Holy Bible and compare it to the OT used in the oldest known Bible in existance (The Codex) which is 1600 years old. You'll find that the books that Protestants reject as never having been in The Bible can be found literally in the oldest Bible in the world and in every Bible up until the 16th Century before Protestants created their own bible(s). Which books are these? |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 2, 2009 10:48:04 GMT -5
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Post by kiwimac on Apr 2, 2009 15:31:33 GMT -5
The deuterocanonical books were not accepted by the Jews.
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Post by kiwimac on Apr 2, 2009 15:32:11 GMT -5
There is no such thing as a 'Pharisee's version' separate from the version Jesus used given that he was most certainly a pharisee himself. The Jewish OT Canon was created by The Pharisees in 90 A.D.. The Christian Canon is The Septuagint which existed for hundreds of years before Jesus was born. Jesus used The Canon that existed while He was alive (not one that wouldnt exist for 60 years after His death). Therefore the Pharisees did NOT have an OT separate from the LXX. |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 2, 2009 18:44:46 GMT -5
The deuterocanonical books were not accepted by the Jews. Yep. But they were accepted by Christians before The Pharisees canonized their own OT. They not only rejected The Septuagint, but they also rejected The New Testament and Jesus Christ and The Gospel. |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 2, 2009 18:49:02 GMT -5
The Jewish OT Canon was created by The Pharisees in 90 A.D.. The Christian Canon is The Septuagint which existed for hundreds of years before Jesus was born. Jesus used The Canon that existed while He was alive (not one that wouldnt exist for 60 years after His death). Therefore the Pharisees did NOT have an OT separate from the LXX. Yes they did...in 90 A.D. Up until that point, they rejected the LXX because it was written in Greek and used the Palestinian OT. |
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Post by ezekiel33 on Apr 2, 2009 22:21:50 GMT -5
I went to that link and figured out nothing. What O.T. books are in the Septuagint that are not in the current O.T.? |
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