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Post by emily445455 on Apr 23, 2009 16:15:29 GMT -5
Well actually, that "blood" of Christ was all Mary's blood since He had no biological father. Therefore, you'd be pleading the blood of Mary too!  It was God's blood....the mother's blood never mixes with the fetus. Well it can...but then you have problems. |
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Post by alfie on Apr 23, 2009 17:04:08 GMT -5
Hi Alfie! There are false visions out there. You are right to test everything. What I saw was only in my mind, not like some kind of apparition. It was more like having a dream, but I was praying, not asleep. I wasn't even Catholic then, nor did I think I saw Mary, I thought it was just a representation of Israel. You certainly don't have to believe my story though. I know that people in the Bible had visions of different people. St. Peter had a vision of wild animals, St. Paul had a vision of a Macedonian man (or dream?) Elijah and Moses appeared with Jesus when He was transfigured. I'm definitely no St. Peter or St. Paul, but I am someone who is commited to do missionary work and preach the gospel to the lost. You were praying in a Catholic or an Orthodox Church... weren't you? |
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Post by alfie on Apr 23, 2009 17:06:16 GMT -5
Well actually, that "blood" of Christ was all Mary's blood since He had no biological father. Therefore, you'd be pleading the blood of Mary too! It was God's blood....the mother's blood never mixes with the fetus. Well it can...but then you have problems. Correct Emily! The mother's blood can't cross the placenta of the baby. The baby has different blood from the mother. |
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Post by alfie on Apr 23, 2009 17:21:00 GMT -5
Hi Alfie! There are false visions out there. You are right to test everything. What I saw was only in my mind, not like some kind of apparition. It was more like having a dream, but I was praying, not asleep. I wasn't even Catholic then, nor did I think I saw Mary, I thought it was just a representation of Israel. You certainly don't have to believe my story though. I know that people in the Bible had visions of different people. St. Peter had a vision of wild animals, St. Paul had a vision of a Macedonian man (or dream?) Elijah and Moses appeared with Jesus when He was transfigured. I'm definitely no St. Peter or St. Paul, but I am someone who is commited to do missionary work and preach the gospel to the lost. How do you know your grandmother is in Heaven and praying for you? And why would anyone in Heaven have to pray when they have direct access to the Throne of God? I'm not asking you this to be nasty. I know my father didn't make it when he died so how do you know your grandmother made it ? |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 23, 2009 21:12:17 GMT -5
First of all alfie, you dont know who has made it to heaven or not. Unless you recieved word from God through intercession(spelling?)
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Post by Ramon on Apr 23, 2009 22:05:39 GMT -5
Hi Alfie! There are false visions out there. You are right to test everything. What I saw was only in my mind, not like some kind of apparition. It was more like having a dream, but I was praying, not asleep. I wasn't even Catholic then, nor did I think I saw Mary, I thought it was just a representation of Israel. You certainly don't have to believe my story though. I know that people in the Bible had visions of different people. St. Peter had a vision of wild animals, St. Paul had a vision of a Macedonian man (or dream?) Elijah and Moses appeared with Jesus when He was transfigured. I'm definitely no St. Peter or St. Paul, but I am someone who is commited to do missionary work and preach the gospel to the lost. You were praying in a Catholic or an Orthodox Church... weren't you? Why will that matter? In IC.XC, Ramon |
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Post by Ramon on Apr 23, 2009 22:15:33 GMT -5
Hi Alfie! There are false visions out there. You are right to test everything. What I saw was only in my mind, not like some kind of apparition. It was more like having a dream, but I was praying, not asleep. I wasn't even Catholic then, nor did I think I saw Mary, I thought it was just a representation of Israel. You certainly don't have to believe my story though. I know that people in the Bible had visions of different people. St. Peter had a vision of wild animals, St. Paul had a vision of a Macedonian man (or dream?) Elijah and Moses appeared with Jesus when He was transfigured. I'm definitely no St. Peter or St. Paul, but I am someone who is commited to do missionary work and preach the gospel to the lost. How do you know your grandmother is in Heaven and praying for you? And why would anyone in Heaven have to pray when they have direct access to the Throne of God? I'm not asking you this to be nasty. I know my father didn't make it when he died so how do you know your grandmother made it ? The Holy Saints and Angels in heaven do not pray to God for themselves, but for us Christians (Rev. 5:8; 6:9-11; 8:3-4; Matthew 18:10). The Early Church (1st-10th Century) believed that the Holy Saints and Angels in heaven intercede for those on Earth and they continuously plead for there intercession (just as The Holy Apostles will plead the intercession of there fellow Christians in Scriptures: Rom. 15:30 and other numerous Scriptures). Second, how can you say that you "know" your father didn't make it to Heaven, yet at the same time ask teresahrc how she knows her mother is in heaven? You don't see a problem with this? You seem very sure that your father didn't make it. In IC.XC, Ramon |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 24, 2009 13:50:27 GMT -5
Well actually, that "blood" of Christ was all Mary's blood since He had no biological father. Therefore, you'd be pleading the blood of Mary too! It was God's blood....the mother's blood never mixes with the fetus. Well it can...but then you have problems. But where did that "matter" come from? Where did the egg that The Holy Spirit "quickened" come from? It was already "in" Mary. All the "matter" for Christ to be created as a human being was already there. The blood, the tissue, the bone, etc... So, it was literally all Mary's blood that God brought to life. Unless you're trying to imply that God "put" Jesus Christ already as a formed embryo "in" Mary? Is that what you're trying to say? That Jesus wasn't "born" of The Virgin Mary, but that God placed Him already formed and created in Mary? Since Jesus had no physical biological father on earth and since no man touched Mary in anyway, it would be imposssible for her to have the physical blood of any human being (much less God's since God is a spiritual being and no where in The Bible does it state that Jesus got any physical matter from God, but only that The Holy Spirit was used [again..."Spirit", not Holy Body] overshadowed Mary). Even when God created Adam He didn't use any of his physical blood because God has no physical blood. God is a spiritual being (not a physical being). This is precisely what makes Jesus Christ The Son of "Man". Yes, He is The Son of God too, but that doesn't mean that He got His blood physically from God. His blood He got from the only human being that contributed to His creation...Mary, The Blessed Mother of Jesus Christ.  |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 24, 2009 13:52:11 GMT -5
It was God's blood....the mother's blood never mixes with the fetus. Well it can...but then you have problems. Correct Emily! The mother's blood can't cross the placenta of the baby. The baby has different blood from the mother. Nobody ever denied that a baby's blood can't cross the placenta, but where does that baby get that blood from? The sky? Under a rock? No, every baby gets their blood from their parents except one child who got His blood ONLY from His Blessed Mother! |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 24, 2009 13:56:51 GMT -5
And why would anyone in Heaven have to pray when they have direct access to the Throne of God? Easy, in Revelations 5:8 and 8:3, you'll note that The Saints that are in Heaven are "praying" to God. What are they praying for? Not for themselves, they're alread "in" Heaven. They are praying for us. And, prayer means to "request". That means that they requesting on our behalf. A lawyer "prays" to a judge when he represents his clients case. Same thing for us and The Saints. Sweetie, how do you know? Maybe God knew something about your father that you didn't that might have spared him eternal damnation. |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 24, 2009 14:00:31 GMT -5
cepha- if the baby's blood never mixes with the mothers...then it couldn't have been Mary's. God gave Him blood...it was God's own blood. If it was Mary's, He would have died.....
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Post by Cepha on Apr 24, 2009 15:14:19 GMT -5
cepha- if the baby's blood never mixes with the mothers...then it couldn't have been Mary's. God gave Him blood...it was God's own blood. If it was Mary's, He would have died..... Impossible...then Jesus isn't human according to that. Blood is "human". You would have to explain where Jesus' "human" blood came from. You can't say from God, because The Bible doesn't say that. You're saying that God has "human" blood? But He died anyway (even if you believe it was God's blood)? By the way, just because the mother's blood doesn't mix with the baby's blood "after" the baby is conceived, it doesn't mean that the mother didn't give it to him. And...again, every baby gets their blood from their parents, right? So, if Jesus only got blood from God (which The Bible never states) and not from Mary (because their blood never mixes after the baby is conceived), then are you implying that Jesus is "not" human? |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 24, 2009 15:39:39 GMT -5
Hey Alfie, Aren't you the one that said that the majority of White women who voted for Obama only did so because they wanted to sleep with him?  |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 24, 2009 15:46:54 GMT -5
Racist Signs @ Tea Parties against The President of The United States:   |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 24, 2009 18:22:18 GMT -5
The Bible also doesn't say it's Mary's. And since the mom's blood doesn't go into the unborn baby...
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Post by Cepha on Apr 30, 2009 13:07:43 GMT -5
The Bible also doesn't say it's Mary's. And since the mom's blood doesn't go into the unborn baby... But it calls Jesus born of Mary, right? Where else would He get His blood from? She was the only physical contributor to His Being. No one else. |
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Post by alfie on Apr 30, 2009 15:31:57 GMT -5
I suppose God could but that is why I would be very careful and plead the blood in order to be sure it wasn't a demon. Don't forget that if people believe visions of Mary appear than Satan will give them exactly what they want in order to deceive them. You'd have to somehow justify that God stopped sending messengers from Heaven (like He sent Moses and Elijah to Jesus during the transfiguration). There would have to be some biblical support for this to be a Christian belief. Is there any proof that God stopped sending non-Angelic Heavenly messengers? And, Satan has no power to give us what we want. Only God does. Well, what has to be done is that the spirit has to be tested (which is what The Bible states). Remember when Mary appeared in Egypt and overnight, 150,000 Muslims converted to Christianity? I'll never believe it was from God. The Bible warns against signs and wonders. I have read reports of Jesus appearing before an individual Moslem but not 150,000 people. That should be a wake up call right there. It's just crazy. |
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Post by teresahrc on Apr 30, 2009 21:24:39 GMT -5
The Bible doen't "warn against signs and wonders" it warns against false "signs and wonder". It also says to test everything and hold on to the good.
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Post by alfie on Apr 30, 2009 22:44:12 GMT -5
The Bible doen't "warn against signs and wonders" it warns against false "signs and wonder". It also says to test everything and hold on to the good. That church in Egypt was a Coptic Orthodox church not a Catholic church. Mary appeared on and off during a period of three years. However, Egyptians stopped coming to watch her because it became old hat/boring. Looks like she overdid her stay and eventually just faded away. I hardly think that would have happened if it really was Mary especially if there were that many converts to Christianity like Cepha claims. Also, foreigners were being charged money (so much for spirituality) to see her. One thing that Mary promised Egypt was eternal peace which ain't gonna happen until Jesus returns. |
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Post by alfie on Apr 30, 2009 23:00:38 GMT -5
The Bible doen't "warn against signs and wonders" it warns against false "signs and wonder". It also says to test everything and hold on to the good. You removed some of your posts but in one of them you said that Turkey had several old Christian Churches which would have to be either Orthodox or Catholic. Was one of them being used for a Protestant church? That could have caused your vision. And you wrote that some Christians slaughtered each other. Were these Catholics and Orthodox who killed each other? If so there could have been a strong satanic presence where that happened and this could have caused you to have your vision. It's hard to believe they were true Christians if they were killing each other. |
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