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Post by watchman on Mar 6, 2009 15:59:38 GMT -5
You insult me and every other true Christian every time you claim to be one of us.
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Post by Cepha on Mar 7, 2009 4:26:00 GMT -5
You insult me and every other true Christian every time you claim to be one of us. "Your" type of true Christian. |
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Post by teresahrc on Mar 7, 2009 12:45:12 GMT -5
Ok, "Priest forgiving sins" is totally Biblical, (at least in my Bible)
21Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." 22And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. 23If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."
(John 20)
That one is hard to rationalize away.
Confession: (+ the above verse)
17 When this became known to the Jews and Greeks living in Ephesus, they were all seized with fear, and the name of the Lord Jesus was held in high honor. 18 Many of those who believed now came and openly confessed what they had done.
(Acts 19)
16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective. (James 5)
We don't necessarily confess our sins TO the Priest (although the above verses allow that) really, the Priest is the witness as we confess our sins to God. Anyway, it's Biblical unless you throw out the book of James, Acts and John.
Penance:
21Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. (Matthew 11)
8"Therefore bear fruit in keeping with repentance;
9and do not suppose that you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham for our father'; for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham.
10"The axe is already laid at the root of the trees; therefore every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire
(Matthew 3)
19"So, King Agrippa, I did not prove disobedient to the heavenly vision,
20but kept declaring both to those of Damascus first, and also at Jerusalem and then throughout all the region of Judea, and even to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds appropriate to repentance.
21"For this reason some Jews seized me in the temple and tried to put me to death.
(Acts 26)
4'But I have this against you, that you have left your first love.
5'Therefore remember from where you have fallen, and repent and do the deeds you did at first; or else I am coming to you and will remove your lampstand out of its place--unless you repent.
(Revelation 2)
Do you need more verses?
teresa
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Post by watchman on Mar 7, 2009 16:51:43 GMT -5
#1 Of course we are to forgive people if not God will not forgive us.
#2 We are to confess to one another we do not need a priest to mediate bnetween us and God.
#3 Penance is not the same a repentance.
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Post by Cepha on Mar 7, 2009 20:48:54 GMT -5
Ok, "Priest forgiving sins" is totally Biblical, (at least in my Bible) teresa Or, simply Luke 5:14... And he charged him to tell no man: but go, and shew thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing, according as Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.Now, what was it that Moses commanded? Penance. The Priest "cleanses" the sinner through the ritual of confession: Lev 13:49; 14 (chapter) |
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Post by Cepha on Mar 7, 2009 20:55:29 GMT -5
Vader The Crusader!
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Post by Cepha on Mar 7, 2009 21:00:11 GMT -5
#1 Of course we are to forgive people if not God will not forgive us. #2 We are to confess to one another we do not need a priest to mediate bnetween us and God. #3 Penance is not the same a repentance. 2. No, we are to confess to Priests...that is what The Bible says. And Jesus said the same. And, no one ever said that a Priest is a mediator. Only Jesus is a mediator. A Priest is an intercessor. 3. Correct. Paying your dues and being sorry is not the same. |
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Post by watchman on Mar 8, 2009 13:45:29 GMT -5
#1 Of course we are to forgive people if not God will not forgive us. #2 We are to confess to one another we do not need a priest to mediate bnetween us and God. #3 Penance is not the same a repentance. 2. No, we are to confess to Priests...that is what The Bible says. And Jesus said the same. And, no one ever said that a Priest is a mediator. Only Jesus is a mediator. A Priest is and intercessor. Just like the rest of you catholics you make false claims of what scriptures teaches. James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.This does say confess to some priest but one to another. 3. Correct. Paying your dues and being sorry is not the same. Jesus paid the price all we have to do is accept salvation there is no need for penance outside of repentance |
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Post by Cepha on Mar 8, 2009 17:33:16 GMT -5
Just like the rest of you catholics you make false claims of what scriptures teaches. Talk about walking right into "it"! Why did you "conveniently" choose to leave out what came "before" James 5:16? I'll tell you why! Because it would prove that it is The Church that James was talking about! James 14-16" Is any one of you sick?
He should call the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord.
And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up.
If he has sinned, he will be forgiven.
Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed.
The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective." That " prayer of a righteous man" he's referring to is The Priest who prays for you after you've made your confession! What is an " elder"? elder7. a presbyter. presbyter 1. ( in the early Christian church) an office bearer who exercised teaching, priestly, and administrative functions. 2. (in hierarchical churches) a priest. See? It's just like I answered you before and you went and dug up the scripture that proves what I said to you when I said: " And, no one ever said that a Priest is a mediator. Only Jesus is a mediator. A Priest is an intercessor." Well done!  Penance has nothing to do with initial salvation...only with confession. Read what Moses prescribes after they have made their confession to a Priest (see scriptures given to Teresa) that Jesus ordered the healed lepor to do. Also, Jesus himself practiced the religious ritual of confession and penance (they call it "atonement" in the Jewish religion).  |
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Post by watchman on Mar 8, 2009 21:57:50 GMT -5
The whole man made system of Catholicism is satanic. You think you serve God cepha? Not the God of the Bible, your belly is your god. Why do you think no one comes here because of you. You are poison.
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Post by Cepha on Mar 8, 2009 22:09:18 GMT -5
The whole man made system of Catholicism is satanic. You think you serve God cepha? Not the God of the Bible, your belly is your god. Why do you think no one comes here because of you. You are poison. Why don't Anti-Catholics come here? Hmmm...because they get "owned" here maybe? LOL! You'll be gone too soon enough. You'll see. Already you're showing the signs of fatigue; first, the "not" answering questions, the complaining about the questions posted, the short blunt few worded answers, etc... Really typical. Just read one of my Anti-Catholic Forums here and you'll see that you fit the typical profile (verbally abusive, insulting, refusal to engage in a debate, but willing to express your own views and allegations without evidence, etc...). People don't come here because I'm not allowed on Anti-Catholic forums. Once I get on and begin to post, they ban me. I was even banned by two Catholic sites for exposing John McCain's Pro-Choice record (they didn't want anybody to see "The Real McCain"...they even went on to delete all Anti-McCain posts. I was banned from the first Catholic Forum for having posted some nasty comments that a couple of their moderators sent me in private messages and posting them next to the forum's rules. As CC. She'll tell you. I've closed and/or have been responsible for the shutting down of several Anti-Catholic Forums. And they won't come here because they can't ban me or stop me from engaging them directly. They can't edit me here. They "have to" respond to what is posted to them. And...we get our hits...but people just won't post. And yes...this site has almost 7,000 in less than a year because of me and those here who've contributed to this site. And...if you don't like it, just click on the little box at the far top right side of the screen and never come back. Otherwise, stop complaining and get to answering! LOL! I'm not the "oh, let's all be charitable" type of Catholic. I'm Peter the Earcutter. Sure, "if" I make it to heaven, I know I'm adding a lot more time to my Purgatory time, but it's sooooooo worthy it to corner Anti-Catholics like you and to shut you down. ;D So, how do you feel about Saint Ignatius' Pro-Current Day Catholic Church beliefs? (Remember him? Saint John's student?) |
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Post by Cepha on Mar 8, 2009 22:13:58 GMT -5
The whole man made system of Catholicism is satanic. Evidence? No. Not anymore, I've lost 30lbs so far (but those Marshmallow Peeps are calling my name! LOL! ) Is that a question or a statement? I think no one comes here because this forum isn't professionally marketed. How'd you get here? Some angry Anti-Catholic who got owned by me ran and got you? Or you saw me on some site that I got banned from where you managed to get my site info from before they banned me? Yes, I am poison to Anti-Catholics. I cause their deaths. With the more truth that their ears hear, the more it churns their stomachs and sickens them. Right? |
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Post by watchman on Mar 8, 2009 22:42:33 GMT -5
Yes, I am poison to Anti-Catholics. I cause their deaths. With the more truth that their ears hear, the more it churns their stomachs and sickens them. Right? You sicken me alright but not because you have any truth. you do not even believe Jesus is the only way to salvation. John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. |
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Post by Cepha on Mar 8, 2009 23:30:58 GMT -5
Yes, I am poison to Anti-Catholics. I cause their deaths. With the more truth that their ears hear, the more it churns their stomachs and sickens them. Right? You sicken me alright but not because you have any truth. you do not even believe Jesus is the only way to salvation. John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.Ok, but how do you feel about Saint Ignatius' Pro-Current Day Catholic Church beliefs? (Remember him? Saint John's student?) |
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Post by Cepha on Mar 9, 2009 1:06:19 GMT -5
Yes, I am poison to Anti-Catholics. I cause their deaths. With the more truth that their ears hear, the more it churns their stomachs and sickens them. Right? You sicken me alright but not because you have any truth. you do not even believe Jesus is the only way to salvation. John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.Notice that Jesus didn't say "the only way". And, remember, that it is The Father who brings man to Jesus and it is God The Father who "gives" us to Jesus (not the other way around). |
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Post by watchman on Mar 9, 2009 11:31:22 GMT -5
You sicken me alright but not because you have any truth. you do not even believe Jesus is the only way to salvation. John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.Notice that Jesus didn't say "the only way". And, remember, that it is The Father who brings man to Jesus and it is God The Father who "gives" us to Jesus (not the other way around). Anyone who denies that Jesus is the only way to salvation is not a Christian. |
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Post by teresahrc on Mar 9, 2009 14:47:21 GMT -5
It is enough.
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Post by Cepha on Mar 9, 2009 21:07:35 GMT -5
Notice that Jesus didn't say "the only way". And, remember, that it is The Father who brings man to Jesus and it is God The Father who "gives" us to Jesus (not the other way around). Anyone who denies that Jesus is the only way to salvation is not a Christian. Is that a "biblical" belief? Or your made up belief? |
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Post by Cepha on Mar 9, 2009 21:10:08 GMT -5
Alright Teresa...for you, I'll digress, but if "it" keeps happening, you know me. I can only stay "quiet" but so long. Peter rocks! Joan of Arc rocks! By the way, you rock! |
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Post by watchman on Mar 9, 2009 22:19:10 GMT -5
Anyone who denies that Jesus is the only way to salvation is not a Christian. Is that a "biblical" belief? Or your made up belief? It is anti biblical to say that Jesus is the only way for man to be saved huh? Acts 4:12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.Out of all the heresies Satan ever created the teaching that there is salvation outside of faith in Christ is the worse, yes you are a heretic of the worse kind, cepha. |
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