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Post by Cepha on Apr 8, 2009 21:50:09 GMT -5
I don't believe in predestination, not sure if that's what you were refering to, but it sounded like it. I believe GOd "accepts" and calls everyone. Ok I don't gist...I know Jesus it the only way. No, not predestination. Was referring to personal interpration based on the belief that we are being guided by The Holy Spirit when discerning scripture. As for "gisting", since you said it can't be located in scripture, then it has to come from "you" (not The Bible). Agreed? I mean, it's not in The Bible right? (That Jesus is the only way to God) |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 8, 2009 21:53:15 GMT -5
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
That's what this verse says. No man can get to God if not thru Jesus....
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Post by ezekiel33 on Apr 8, 2009 21:57:36 GMT -5
So, according to you, verses about Jesus is the ONLY way, to be Saved you MUST be born-again....are false? No where in the Bible does it say that "Jesus is the only way to be saved". The statement doesn't exist. That is a lie, you you do not believe Jesus is the only way then you have denied the very Christ you claim to serve. |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 8, 2009 22:08:04 GMT -5
No where in the Bible does it say that "Jesus is the only way to be saved". The statement doesn't exist. That is a lie, you you do not believe Jesus is the only way then you have denied the very Christ you claim to serve. Prove it...post the scripture that states what you personally believe; that "Jesus is the only way". And please define what you mean by "the only way". "The only way" to what? |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 8, 2009 22:14:20 GMT -5
John 14:6 doesn't say that? What do you think " no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" means?
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Post by ezekiel33 on Apr 8, 2009 22:14:24 GMT -5
To life eternal with the Father.
I will not prove Jesus is the Savior in a so called christian forum. If you do not know that why do you serve Him?
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Post by ezekiel33 on Apr 8, 2009 22:16:53 GMT -5
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 8, 2009 22:26:25 GMT -5
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. I'm sorry, but I don't see what you said. You said that Jesus is the only way. The only way to what? To God? And, even still, it doesn't say "only" in that entire verse. I'll repeat my question: Where in the Bible does it say that Jesus is the only way to be saved? (The literal words that you said "Jesus is the only way".) Romans 2 states that men who please God but who are not believers in God can be justified to God (justification meaning salvation). Not only that, by the time anybody comes to Jesus, God has already approved of them. Again, John 6 (which comes before John 14) Jesus clearly states that is is God the Father who brings Christians to Christ. John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him to life on the last day. See that? It is God The Father Who draws men to Christ Who in turn brings them to The Father. But The Father does brings man in first (again, God first, Jesus 2nd). |
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Post by ezekiel33 on Apr 8, 2009 22:30:16 GMT -5
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. I'm sorry, but I don't see what you said. You said that Jesus is the only way. The only way to what? To God? And, even still, it doesn't say "only" in that entire verse. If the Father is God and There is NO OTHER WAY to the Father/God but through Jesus, the Jesus is the ONLY WAY TO GOD period. Claiming that God draws people does not nullify that it is through Christ that we must Go. Jesus is the door. John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.No Christian would deny this. |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 8, 2009 22:31:04 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I don't see what you said. You said that Jesus is the only way. The only way to what? To God? No other way to God the Father, yup, correctomundo. |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 8, 2009 22:31:39 GMT -5
No Christian would deny this. Only if they are confused....which a lot of Christians are, including my mom. |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 8, 2009 22:43:24 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I don't see what you said. You said that Jesus is the only way. The only way to what? To God? And, even still, it doesn't say "only" in that entire verse. If the Father is God and There is NO OTHER WAY to the Father/God but through Jesus, the Jesus is the ONLY WAY TO GOD period. Claiming that God draws people does not nullify that it is through Christ that we must Go. Jesus is the door. John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.No Christian would deny this. Let's save this for tomorrow and focus on Purgatory tonight. This could be another topic for debate. But we can only debate one thing at a time.  |
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Post by ezekiel33 on Apr 9, 2009 8:51:09 GMT -5
If the Father is God and There is NO OTHER WAY to the Father/God but through Jesus, the Jesus is the ONLY WAY TO GOD period. Claiming that God draws people does not nullify that it is through Christ that we must Go. Jesus is the door. John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.No Christian would deny this. Let's save this for tomorrow and focus on Purgatory tonight. This could be another topic for debate. But we can only debate one thing at a time. This is not up for debate. I will not debate whether or not Jesus is savior with a so called christian. |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 9, 2009 13:32:27 GMT -5
This is not up for debate. I will not debate whether or not Jesus is savior with a so called christian. good choice. |
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Post by teresahrc on Apr 9, 2009 14:25:13 GMT -5
Ezekiel,
When using only the Bible, how do you define "saved"?
That is not a ridiculous question,
Please read this verse:
11A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
(1 Timothy 2 )
I'm sure you have some interpretation, but using "sola scriptura" this verse would be quite confusing.
I'd like to hear your comment.
teresa
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Post by Cepha on Apr 9, 2009 20:59:54 GMT -5
This is not up for debate. I will not debate whether or not Jesus is savior with a so called christian. Nobody was questioning that. The discussion was whether or not Jesus is "the only way" to God. With that statement, are you inferring that I am "not" a Christian? |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 9, 2009 21:13:45 GMT -5
Ezekiel, When using only the Bible, how do you define "saved"? That is not a ridiculous question, Please read this verse: 11A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.(1 Timothy 2 ) I'm sure you have some interpretation, but using "sola scriptura" this verse would be quite confusing. I'd like to hear your comment. teresa I'm sorry Teresa, but I have to correct you on one thing...he does "not" believe in Sola Scriptura because Sola Scriptura does "not" exist in The Holy Bible.  |
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Post by ezekiel33 on Apr 9, 2009 21:20:58 GMT -5
Ezekiel, When using only the Bible, how do you define "saved"? Saved can have multiple meanings=, depending what we are being saved from. What question is not ridiculous? |
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Post by ezekiel33 on Apr 9, 2009 21:22:24 GMT -5
This is not up for debate. I will not debate whether or not Jesus is savior with a so called christian. Nobody was questioning that. The discussion was whether or not Jesus is "the only way" to God. With that statement, are you inferring that I am "not" a Christian? Jesus is the only way to God and no Christian would deny that. |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 9, 2009 21:25:24 GMT -5
Nobody was questioning that. The discussion was whether or not Jesus is "the only way" to God. With that statement, are you inferring that I am "not" a Christian? Jesus is the only way to God and no Christian would deny that. That's your personal interpretation of scripture. But The Holy Bible says other. Romans 2. |
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