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Post by teresahrc on Feb 26, 2009 18:37:07 GMT -5
Cepha is not perfect, but he is my brother that's for sure. I'm not ashamed to believe in one, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
You do know, don't you, that it is God alone who judges the thoughts and intents of the heart?
Basically, what it comes down to is that if you are in Christ, then Cepha is your brother whether you like it or not--
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Post by teresahrc on Feb 26, 2009 18:38:58 GMT -5
"Do not judge and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven."
-Jesus
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Post by watchman on Feb 26, 2009 18:41:46 GMT -5
He is not my brother, his fruit bares that out.
Matthew 7
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
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Post by Cepha on Feb 26, 2009 18:45:44 GMT -5
When he said catholic church he meant the universal church, The ''Roman Catholic Church'' did not exist when these statements were made. A) Yes, he meant the "universal" Church (Catholic literally means "universal) B) Yes, The Roman Catholic Church didn't exist back then...it still doesn't. There is no entitity as The Roman Catholic Church. The name of The Catholic Church is "The Catholic Church" (not The Roman Catholic Church). The term "Roman" is attached to it as a description of "where" she originated from (Rome, where The Apostle Peter established it with the help of Paul...as taught to us by The Church Fathers). The word "Roman" identifies The Catholic Church as the Rite that was established by The Apostles (again, in Rome as clearly stated by The Church Fathers). There are other "rites" in The Catholic Church, but all are one Church (not different denominations) because all meet the criteria (belief in one religious system, acknowledgement of the Roman Pontiff, Apostolic Succession, The Sacraments, etc...). Boy Watchman! You are really getting an education here today! ;D |
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Post by teresahrc on Feb 26, 2009 18:47:21 GMT -5
What about judging someone else? Is that good fruit?
The Bible says that we are not to allow anything that we consider good to be spoken of as evil.
Cepha is obeying the Bible by not letting you or anyone else speak evil of our Faith.
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Post by Cepha on Feb 26, 2009 18:52:11 GMT -5
Now I could have a civil discussion with teresa or CC, but any religion that ceppha is a part of isd not of God and i would want to be as far away from it as possible. So if the two of you claim to believe as cepha does then?  ? Yeah, sure...you're the "real" Christian here, huh? With your insults and mockery? I never claim to have the authority to say who is and who isn't a Christian (only Jesus can do that). But you? You actually think you are Jesus to judge. Me? I'm a lowly nobody ignoramus...and I like being that way. I am happy to be The Publican. You can remain The Pharisee... Luke 18:9-14 The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector 9 Also He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector.
12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.’
13 And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.” |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 26, 2009 18:54:49 GMT -5
Cepha is not perfect, but he is my brother that's for sure. I'm not ashamed to believe in one, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. You do know, don't you, that it is God alone who judges the thoughts and intents of the heart? Basically, what it comes down to is that if you are in Christ, then Cepha is your brother whether you like it or not--
Obrigado. |
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Post by watchman on Feb 26, 2009 18:56:19 GMT -5
What about judging someone else? Is that good fruit? The Bible says that we are not to allow anything that we consider good to be spoken of as evil. Cepha is obeying the Bible by not letting you or anyone else speak evil of our Faith.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.1st Cor 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?That being said if a openly gay person claims to be a christian would you believe them? No of course not. A liar, a thief, someone engage in any other type of sin is just as much a non christian as the gay. So you judge the same as i do by the fruits people produce |
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Post by teresahrc on Feb 26, 2009 18:58:31 GMT -5
People have long been leaving the Church, or fighting the Church or slandering the Church. Sometimes I wonder who is more stubborn-- those who leave or those who constantly try to bring them back? I wonder what St. Dominic is thinking right now?
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Post by Cepha on Feb 26, 2009 18:59:02 GMT -5
He is not my brother, his fruit bares that out. Matthew 7
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Funny how you missed how Matthew 7 "actually" begins... Matthew 7 1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. By the way, think about what you just quoted and let's look at the fruits of The Catholic Church that I listed (Charity, Hospitals, Colleges, The Evangelization of The World, The Holy Bible, Christian Doctrine, etc...). Now, what about the fruits of Protestantism? Division, a "new" bible (based on the one that existed before it that "we" created), "new" doctrines (The Five Solas, etc...), "new" churches (denominationally based congregations instead of one "universally" based congregation), etc... Do the math and apply it to your own self (like what Jesus said about taking the log out of your eye). |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 26, 2009 19:00:12 GMT -5
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. [/b] [/quote] Sad to say, but true...  |
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Post by teresahrc on Feb 26, 2009 19:00:14 GMT -5
Yes, but according to your theory, the Church is invisible. How do you even know who is "within, or without"?
And how do you "put away" someone from an invisible, transcendent idea?
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Post by teresahrc on Feb 26, 2009 19:07:05 GMT -5
By the way, Cepha and CC and everyone who is observing Lent, Happy Lent? or um...what is the proper thing to say? "Merry Lent"? hum...Lent isn't really "Merry"....
Anyway, I'm sad because I had strep throat yesterday and didn't go to Mass on Ash Wed.
Is there a thread for Lent Cepha?
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Post by Cepha on Feb 26, 2009 19:15:19 GMT -5
What about judging someone else? Is that good fruit? The Bible says that we are not to allow anything that we consider good to be spoken of as evil. Cepha is obeying the Bible by not letting you or anyone else speak evil of our Faith. Yes. Yes I am. And, I am definitely imperfect. And I'll take that as a compliment. I would never dare go around talking about how impefect anybody else is. This is why you will never see The Catholic Church attacking anybody else's faith. We don't have to. We don't have to knock anybody else down for us to be who we are. The Catholic Church isn't based on "protesting" anybody. Who would we have to protest? But...the fact that someone who refers to themselves as a Christian yet attacks others who refer to themselves as Christians passing judgement on their Christianity completely contradicts what Christ taught. It's like they never read this, where Jesus taught John that he was no one to try to forbid another from working in His name... Luke 9: 49And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.
50And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us. |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 26, 2009 19:18:55 GMT -5
1st Cor 5
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.1st Cor 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?No of course not. A liar, a thief, someone engage in any other type of sin is just as much a non christian as the gay. So you judge the same as i do by the fruits people produce Yes. Why would I deny them their relationship with Christ when Jesus Himself said He came for sinners? A Homosexual person cannot control "who" they are much less than a Heterosexual person can. A better example would be a person who judges other Christians.  According to you, sinners can't be Christians? You must be sinless then.  By the way, do you know who else use to try to combine different unrelated scriptural verses to prove a point "not" in The Bible? Satan, when he tried to tempt Jesus.  |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 26, 2009 19:20:12 GMT -5
People have long been leaving the Church, or fighting the Church or slandering the Church. Sometimes I wonder who is more stubborn-- those who leave or those who constantly try to bring them back? I wonder what St. Dominic is thinking right now? I'm like this..."Let them go!" To each his/her own! If they want to leave, fine. Let God sort them out. I'm too busy trying to work out my own salvation to be trying to save anybody else. ;D |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 26, 2009 19:21:35 GMT -5
Yes, but according to your theory, the Church is invisible. How do you even know who is "within, or without"? And how do you "put away" someone from an invisible, transcendent idea? LMCBO! Watchman, did you know that Teresa is only like in her mid-20's? Wow! From the mouth of babies! ;D (Theme of Jeopardy plays in background while awaiting answer) |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 26, 2009 19:25:32 GMT -5
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Post by Cepha on Feb 26, 2009 19:35:04 GMT -5
So you judge the same as i do by the fruits people produce OMGosh! Jesus never said that! Jesus said that by the standards that you judge, so too will you be judged! Amazing that you totally missed what Jesus said! He never said "Judge others!" In fact, Jesus said the opposite! He said "Dont' judge"! Luke 6:37 Luke 6:37 (New King James Version) Do Not Judge 37 “Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. International Standard Version (©2008) "Stop judging, and you will never be judged. Stop condemning, and you will never be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. New American Standard Bible (©1995) "Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned. GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) "Stop judging, and you will never be judged. Stop condemning, and you will never be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. King James Bible Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: American King James Version Judge not, and you shall not be judged: condemn not, and you shall not be condemned: forgive, and you shall be forgiven: American Standard Version And judge not, and ye shall not be judged: and condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: release, and ye shall be released: Bible in Basic English Be not judges of others, and you will not be judged: do not give punishment to others, and you will not get punishment yourselves: make others free, and you will be made free: Douay-Rheims Bible Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you shall be forgiven. Darby Bible Translation And judge not, and ye shall not be judged; condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned. Remit, and it shall be remitted to you. English Revised Version And judge not, and ye shall not be judged: and condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: release, and ye shall be released: Webster's Bible Translation Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Weymouth New Testament "Judge not, and you shall not be judged; condemn not, and you shall not be condemned; pardon, and you shall be pardoned; World English Bible Don't judge, and you won't be judged. Don't condemn, and you won't be condemned. Set free, and you will be set free. Young's Literal Translation 'And judge not, and ye may not be judged; condemn not, and ye may not be condemned; release, and ye shall be released. |
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Post by teresahrc on Feb 26, 2009 21:43:51 GMT -5
Cepha! I'm sorry I keep saying you aren't perfect! I repent! Do you forgive me?
But as for me, I'm really really really imperfect, but I'm sure you already knew that.
And that's really kind, but I'm not in my mid 20's anymore! But I just entered a poetry contest in which one of the requirements was that you must be "under 30".
Just one last time I wanted to be recognized officially as being "under 30"
I plan to continue to be immature though so don't worry about that.
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