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Post by Cepha on Mar 31, 2009 18:25:46 GMT -5
But The Bible teaches the opposite. It says that fornicators will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. They certainly are fornicators, right? |
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Post by emily445455 on Mar 31, 2009 18:28:39 GMT -5
Fornicators who do not have Christ. Those who do will be convicted by the HS and stop.
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Post by ezekiel33 on Mar 31, 2009 18:50:13 GMT -5
I know it talks about "enduring", but I don't think "until the end" is included. You claim these verses are not talking about enduring until the end?  ? |
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Post by Cepha on Mar 31, 2009 18:51:08 GMT -5
Fornicators who do not have Christ. Those who do will be convicted by the HS and stop. You just said that born again people that molest children will go to heaven. Their fornicators. Now you're saying that they "won't" go to heaven? Are you saying that people who are born again don't ever sin again? |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Mar 31, 2009 18:53:32 GMT -5
cradle- I cannot judge if your MIL is Saved or not, I don't know her. But, it is a get out of jail free card for those who take it. From the sound of her actions, she has not taken it...or she has at one point in her life and just lost sight of her first Love. Hints that OSAS is not true. If you have it, then lose it...you dont have it anymore... |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Mar 31, 2009 18:57:06 GMT -5
Might i add that this is a good conversation!
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Post by emily445455 on Mar 31, 2009 19:52:02 GMT -5
boy oh boy.
Ezie- I said "I think"...that usually means I'm not sure.
Cepha- Those who fornicate who do not have Christ are, obviously, not Saved. Those who are Saved and fornicate are still Saved....but the HS convicts them/punishes them for their sins.
Cradle- I never said lose their Salvation, I said lose sight of their 1st love.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 1, 2009 12:29:10 GMT -5
boy oh boy. Cepha- Those who fornicate who do not have Christ are, obviously, not Saved. Those who are Saved and fornicate are still Saved....but the HS convicts them/punishes them for their sins. What is punishment for a "saved" person after death? |
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Post by ezekiel33 on Apr 1, 2009 14:32:01 GMT -5
Cepha- Those who fornicate who do not have Christ are, obviously, not Saved. Those who are Saved and fornicate are still Saved....but the HS convicts them/punishes them for their sins. Not according to scripture emily. |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 1, 2009 17:32:08 GMT -5
What is punishment for a "saved" person after death? Not receiving any crowns for their work done on earth to give back to Jesus. |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 1, 2009 17:35:27 GMT -5
Cepha- Those who fornicate who do not have Christ are, obviously, not Saved. Those who are Saved and fornicate are still Saved....but the HS convicts them/punishes them for their sins. Not according to scripture emily. I'm confused then, do I become unSaved everytime I sin? If I tell a lie, and in the next breath die...I am going to hell? |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 1, 2009 17:51:04 GMT -5
What is punishment for a "saved" person after death? Not receiving any crowns for their work done on earth to give back to Jesus. Scripture please? |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 1, 2009 17:53:38 GMT -5
Not according to scripture emily. I'm confused then, do I become unSaved everytime I sin? If I tell a lie, and in the next breath die...I am going to hell? If you sin and die without having the chance to repent then you go to hell. Period. There is no place in heaven for unrepentant sinners. One is saved from original sin, but not eternal sin. Do you believe that once you are saved, it's for all your future sins too? And didn't you say that if you are saved, you don't sin anymore? |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 1, 2009 18:44:17 GMT -5
Crowns are given for work we did on earth, don't do any work...don't get any crowns. The crowns are then given back to Jesus, as He is the only way we could have done the work we did on earth. Not having any crowns to give back to Jesus is the punishment. Don't have the time to look up all the Scripture on it.
We sin after we are Saved, but it doesn't affect our Salvation. Again, don't have the time to post all the verses on assurance. I had to do it for Discipleship awhile back.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 1, 2009 19:45:09 GMT -5
Crowns are given for work we did on earth, don't do any work...don't get any crowns. The crowns are then given back to Jesus, as He is the only way we could have done the work we did on earth. Not having any crowns to give back to Jesus is the punishment. Don't have the time to look up all the Scripture on it. We sin after we are Saved, but it doesn't affect our Salvation. Again, don't have the time to post all the verses on assurance. I had to do it for Discipleship awhile back. Ok. I look forward to the scriptural proof of your belief. I've heard of this before, but never seen it in The Bible.  Oh, and you don't have to post all the verses, but just enough to support what you said (that's if you want to). |
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Post by ezekiel33 on Apr 1, 2009 19:57:56 GMT -5
Not according to scripture emily. I'm confused then, do I become unSaved everytime I sin? If I tell a lie, and in the next breath die...I am going to hell? If you continue to live in unrepentant sin you will not go to heaven.
Hebrews 3
6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;If we get saved and then turn from our faith back into sin then we are no longer the house of God, we are no longer partakers of Christ. The only way to receive eternal life is to hold to our faith (that includes not committing sin) until the very end. |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 1, 2009 20:31:16 GMT -5
cepha- to be honest, i probably won't.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 1, 2009 20:34:57 GMT -5
cepha- to be honest, i probably won't. Won't what? Provide scriptural proof for you belief? |
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Post by ezekiel33 on Apr 1, 2009 20:39:30 GMT -5
cepha- to be honest, i probably won't. Won't what? Provide scriptural proof for you belief? wont because she cant, I know her from churchusa, she believes her pastor over scripture, kinda like catholics do with the pope....oops did I say that out loud? |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 1, 2009 20:41:36 GMT -5
I can, I just choose not to at this time on this forum.
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