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Post by ezekiel33 on Apr 1, 2009 20:44:32 GMT -5
I can, I just choose not to at this time on this forum. You cannot prove that a sinner will go to heaven because they at one time said a prayer asking Jesus to live in their heart or because they were baptized ect... No unrighteousness will inherit the Kingdom of God. |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 1, 2009 20:46:45 GMT -5
then none of us are going, none of us are good or righteous.
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Post by ezekiel33 on Apr 1, 2009 20:59:50 GMT -5
then none of us are going, none of us are good or righteous. That is were you are wrong. 1st Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankindHowever those that abide in Christ will become the righteousness of Christ. 2nd Cor 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.OSASers like to use Romans 8:1 to promote their propaganda, but it really shows that we that walk in the Spirit are righteous. Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 1, 2009 21:04:47 GMT -5
Won't what? Provide scriptural proof for you belief?  wont because she cant, I know her from churchusa, she believes her pastor over scripture, kinda like catholics do with the pope....oops did I say that out loud? LOL! It's ok. We have no choice. The Pope existed before The Bible. =D |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 1, 2009 21:06:11 GMT -5
I can, I just choose not to at this time on this forum. Ok, no problem. Nobody's forced to do anything here.  |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 1, 2009 21:08:13 GMT -5
then none of us are going, none of us are good or righteous. If you die in a state of grace you can go to heaven. God wouldn't keep someone out of heaven who deserves it. |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 1, 2009 21:48:43 GMT -5
What does "state of grace" mean?
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Post by Cepha on Apr 1, 2009 22:06:19 GMT -5
What does "state of grace" mean? That's when you die in a state of sinlessness. For example, when Jesus was witnessed talking to two Saints who had died before Jesus had made the sacrifice for man's sins, they had obviously died in a state of grace. They died forgiven of any sins they may have done before Jesus payed the price for that sin, that's why they are Saints in heaven. If you die in a state of grace, you go straight to heaven because you are sinless when you die. |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 1, 2009 22:09:17 GMT -5
uh huh.
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Post by alfie on Apr 8, 2009 15:38:38 GMT -5
What does "state of grace" mean? That's when you die in a state of sinlessness. For example, when Jesus was witnessed talking to two Saints who had died before Jesus had made the sacrifice for man's sins, they had obviously died in a state of grace. They died forgiven of any sins they may have done before Jesus payed the price for that sin, that's why they are Saints in heaven. If you die in a state of grace, you go straight to heaven because you are sinless when you die. So if you are sinless in a state of grace why do you have to go to purgatory? |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 8, 2009 17:03:47 GMT -5
That's when you die in a state of sinlessness. For example, when Jesus was witnessed talking to two Saints who had died before Jesus had made the sacrifice for man's sins, they had obviously died in a state of grace. They died forgiven of any sins they may have done before Jesus payed the price for that sin, that's why they are Saints in heaven. If you die in a state of grace, you go straight to heaven because you are sinless when you die. So if you are sinless in a state of grace why do you have to go to purgatory? Sinless people don't go to Purgatory. They go to Heaven. Only those with sin not unto death go to Purgatory (venial sin as taught by Peter). |
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Post by doxology on Jul 8, 2009 21:41:29 GMT -5
Is Salvation "conditional"? Or is it "free"? Well I dont really consider myself a "non-Catholic", but I do reject some of the teachings of the church since the council of Trent, so I would assume for all intensive purposes it is ok for me to reply to this question. Salvation is a free gift ... however just cause it is free does not mean that their are not things that need to happen for us to be saved. Salvation is free because it is entirely brougt about by God working in us via grace to procure our salvation, and not due to our own efforts. ... we need to be baptized, we need to confess if we fall into mortal sin, we need to persevere in holiness ... but we are not the ones doing these things, it is God who does these things to us, they are his gifts in those whom he has decreed to save. For example, when you partake of the holy eucharist, you do not say you "take communion", rather you say you "recieve communion", that is how it is with salvation, we recieve it, but it is still a process, as Augustine said God crowns his own gifts, and that is what salvation is God crowning his initial gift of faith, first in baptism, and then in perseverence and growth in holiness. |
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Post by doxology on Jul 8, 2009 21:42:39 GMT -5
So if you are sinless in a state of grace why do you have to go to purgatory? Sinless people don't go to Purgatory. They go to Heaven. Only those with sin not unto death go to Purgatory (venial sin as taught by Peter). ... and temproal punishment due to already forgiven sin. Just a friendly reminder. Pax :} |
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Post by Cepha on Jul 9, 2009 9:37:51 GMT -5
Sinless people don't go to Purgatory. They go to Heaven. Only those with sin not unto death go to Purgatory (venial sin as taught by Peter). ... and temproal punishment due to already forgiven sin. Just a friendly reminder. Pax :} Welcome aboard Dox!  |
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