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Post by Cepha on May 22, 2009 8:14:54 GMT -5
Watchman, Do you believe God would deny a holy person a place in heaven? Yes? No? I nor anyone else accepts your interpretation of 1sr Cor 7:14. Why do you think that could be. Has God revealed some strange truth to you that He has not only kept from everyone else, but contradicts the rest of the Bible? That doesn't answer the question. Forget 1 Cor 7. Do you believe God would deny a holy person a place in heaven?Yes or no? (As far as believing in things that contradict the Bible or even yourself, you believe that babies that haven't accepted Jesus Christ are automatically saved. But The Bible, according to you, says that no one can be saved, absolutely no one, unless they accept Jesus Christ.) |
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Post by Cepha on May 22, 2009 8:16:21 GMT -5
So, babies go to hell to for you? What??? Are you asking me or St. John? I'm asking you silly! LOL! I already know what you're going to say, but your belief (as is mine) outrightly contradicts what you just posted. So, I'm going to ask you to justify thyself! LOL! |
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Post by Cepha on May 22, 2009 8:21:31 GMT -5
I nor anyone else accepts your interpretation of 1sr Cor 7:14. Why do you think that could be. Has God revealed some strange truth to you that He has not only kept from everyone else, but contradicts the rest of the Bible? If Ceph 2:2 were true, (Spouses are automatically saved) then shouldn't all Christians marry unbelievers so we can bring as many to heaven as possible? Who ever said spouses were "automatically" saved? I'm still waiting for that answer. A spouse cannot be "automatically" saved (just like non-believers can't be automatically saved). They get the graces of the believing spouse, but only as long as they don't violate any of the other tenats of the faith (for example, a person who has accepted Jesus Christ but then rejects Him is denied Heaven regardless of whom they marry). Even though it doesn't "say that" in 1 Corinthians 7:14, it says it elsewhere in The Bible and as long as 1 Cor doesn't undo that belief, it still stands (take notes kiddies...I just taught you how you can believe in two seemingly contradictory beliefs without them conflicting). ;D |
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Post by Cepha on May 22, 2009 8:25:15 GMT -5
;D Can't you just admit it Cepha? Come on, just say it..."you are right, teresa, the Koran does make Jesus out to be a liar" .... It's a hard thing to say to someone else isn't it-- you are right--? LOL LOL! In your dreams! You admit it! The Koran never literally says that Jesus Christ is a liar! If it did, you'd post it! Muslims love Jesus AND Mary (she has a whole book dedicated just to her and did you know that they even come to Fatima to venerate the site of the apparition as a "holy site"? So, to say that The Koran called Jesus a liar is false and misleading T. You could say that they don't believe what we believe and that they were taught differently about Him, but not that they called Jesus a liar. Jesus didn't write The Bible. Man did. If you're going to say they called anybody liars, then let it be the authors of the book, but Jesus didn't pen one word of it. So Joan of Wrong! LOL! Digress! And I shall spare thee! LOL! |
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Post by Cepha on May 22, 2009 8:41:06 GMT -5
Show me "that" in The Bible... Genesis 15:18In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: The actual land God gave to the Jews is larger than modern-day Israel. Genesis 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of. God promised the Land to Abraham and his seed. Isaac, Jacob, the 12 tribes, etc. Genesis 35:10And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel. 11And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins; 12And the land which I gave Abraham and Isaac, to thee I will give it, and to thy seed after thee will I give the land. Ezekiel 37:21And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: Yeah, but after all that, God scattered them for rejecting Jesus. Show me in The New Testament "after" they rejected Jesus Christ and condemned Him to be crucified where God let them keep the land? Oh wait! The Roman owned Israel in The New Testament! So obviously, they had the land taken back from them "before" Jesus was even born meaning that sometime between the OT and the NT, they lost the land again. They still don't have Israel. The Palestinians are still there. Listen, the Bible is clear, they are the ones who rejected Jesus in The Bible and thus lost their inheritance (for like, the gazillianth time). The Earthly Jeruselum is of no consequance. The only Jeruselum that matters is The New Jeruselum (The Church, The Bride of Christ...read The Book of Revelations). The Jews had their chance. They blew it. Now, we are all Jews by our faith. Salvation has come to all mankind (not just Jews). Now, they are on equal footing with us. And thank you for showing me the scriptures. I always appreciate when someone takes the time to do that. I'm not downing the Jews, but just stating what is factual. They rejected Jesus Christ as a Nation. That is intolerable for God. God would not put them over His Son. I believe that good Jews (even if they reject Christ), will be saved too, but aren't guaranteed salvation just because they were born into a race.  |
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Post by Cepha on May 22, 2009 8:42:50 GMT -5
"Youve been digressing from your old ways." LOL! Ok...I'm "tryyyyying". LOL! |
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Post by Cepha on May 22, 2009 8:47:55 GMT -5
lol CEPHA! He said that in one of his posts....but i think he is still being very argumentative and a lil on the harsh side to people. Just thought i would make a joke out of it. Yep! I was giving out indiscriminate theological beatdowns wholesale yesterday! LOL! Guess I was a little bit backed up. I had to spread my wrath and distribute it equitably! LOL! Sorry! |
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Post by Cepha on May 22, 2009 8:49:59 GMT -5
Can't you just admit it Cepha? Come on, just say it..."you are right, teresa, the Koran does make Jesus out to be a liar" .... It's a hard thing to say to someone else isn't it-- you are right--? LOL Wait a minute! I just caught that! LOL! Now, your saying that it "makes Jesus out to be a liar"? That's a whole lot different from "calling" Him a liar! LOL! Ok, that I accept. You know me...I'm a Bible literalist (when I have to be)! LOL |
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Post by Cepha on May 22, 2009 9:13:11 GMT -5
lol CEPHA! He said that in one of his posts....but i think he is still being very argumentative and a lil on the harsh side to people. Just thought i would make a joke out of it. Maybe I'm Male PMSing! LOL! |
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Post by emily445455 on May 22, 2009 9:27:18 GMT -5
lol CEPHA! He said that in one of his posts....but i think he is still being very argumentative and a lil on the harsh side to people. Just thought i would make a joke out of it. Old habits die hard...if at all. |
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Post by emily445455 on May 22, 2009 9:29:21 GMT -5
Show me in The New Testament "after" they rejected Jesus Christ and condemned Him to be crucified where God let them keep the land? You show me where in the NT God takes Israel away from the Jew. God promised the Jews something...God never goes back on His promises. |
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Post by Cepha on May 22, 2009 9:51:45 GMT -5
Show me in The New Testament "after" they rejected Jesus Christ and condemned Him to be crucified where God let them keep the land? You show me where in the NT God takes Israel away from the Jew. God promised the Jews something...God never goes back on His promises. God kept his promise, but then, they rejected Jesus and they lost it. They had Jeruselum and lost it to the Romans (this happened before Jesus was born). And, I can't show you something in the Bible that happened in 70 AD. But Jesus prophesized about it: Matthew 24:2 But he said to them, "You see all these things, don't you? I tell you with certainty, there isn't a single stone here that will be left standing on top of another. They will all be torn down." When did that happen? In 70 A.D. when Herod's Temple was destroyed by Rome. If Jews were in charge then, they couldn't have has the Temple destroyed as predicted by Jesus Christ. They lost The Temple and thus, Israel. goodnewspirit.com/herodstemple.htmDid God promise them that they'd have it "forever"? If so, is there a scripture for it? Admit it, their Jesus Rejectors. God doesn't reward Jesus Rejectors. He punishes them. |
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Post by emily445455 on May 22, 2009 10:47:44 GMT -5
They are Jesus rejectors. But they are still God's chosen people. God made a promise, He will not break it. He did not say to Abraham "this is your land, as long as you obey what I say". If He had said that, the Jew would have lost that land a looonnngggg time ago. This is not a conditional promise.
I try to stick up for the Jew. God also promised to bless those that bless them and curse them that curse them. And I reallllly don't want God's curses.....
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Post by alfie on May 22, 2009 13:30:41 GMT -5
They are Jesus rejectors. But they are still God's chosen people. God made a promise, He will not break it. He did not say to Abraham "this is your land, as long as you obey what I say". If He had said that, the Jew would have lost that land a looonnngggg time ago. This is not a conditional promise. I try to stick up for the Jew. God also promised to bless those that bless them and curse them that curse them. And I reallllly don't want God's curses..... There is no use talking to him. Up until the last couple of years the Catholic Church officially believed the Holy Land belonged to the RCC. This is why we had the Catholic Crusades. The RCC resents the Jews coming back to the Holy Land because they believe in a replacement theology. That's another reason the pope wants a two state solution in the Middle East. |
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Post by emily445455 on May 22, 2009 13:57:39 GMT -5
I'm surprised the RCC doesn't have more problems.
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Post by teresahrc on May 22, 2009 18:37:29 GMT -5
I never claimed that it had a quote that says "Jesus is a liar".
But the Koran CLEARLY states that Jesus said a prophet would come after Him named "Ahmad" (which is the same as "Mohammad")
That was a "quote", meaning the Koran is telling everyone that Jesus literally said this.
Cepha, you don't believe that Jesus said there would be a prophet after Him named Mohammad do you?
So, you can either believe the Bible, or the Koran. If you believe the Bible, then you MUST admit that the Koran not only lies about what Jesus said, but ALSO claims that Jesus lied when He told the Apostles that He would be crucified and die.
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Post by teresahrc on May 22, 2009 18:43:05 GMT -5
Maybe we should do unto Cepha as he has done unto us. LOL
Let's take a verse in the Bible and take it so literally that we refuse to listen to any other interpretation. (remember the 1 cor. 7:14 fiasco) ;D
How about this one;
26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
"The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins."[g]
(Romans 11)
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Post by teresahrc on May 22, 2009 18:49:55 GMT -5
Yeah. 14 The LORD said to Abram after Lot had parted from him, "Look around from where you are, to the north and south, to the east and west. 15 All the land that you see I will give to you and your offspring forever. (Genesis 13) 13 Remember your servants Abraham, Isaac and Israel, to whom you swore by your own self: 'I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and I will give your descendants all this land I promised them, and it will be their inheritance forever.' (Exodus 32) They will no longer defile themselves with their idols and vile images or with any of their offenses, for I will save them from all their sinful backsliding, and I will cleanse them. They will be my people, and I will be their God.
24 " 'My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd. They will follow my laws and be careful to keep my decrees. 25 They will live in the land I gave to my servant Jacob, the land where your ancestors lived. They and their children and their children's children will live there forever, and David my servant will be their prince forever. 26 I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish them and increase their numbers, and I will put my sanctuary among them forever. 27 My dwelling place will be with them; I will be their God, and they will be my people. 28 Then the nations will know that I the LORD make Israel holy, when my sanctuary is among them forever.' " (Ezekiel 37) |
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Post by emily445455 on May 22, 2009 18:53:15 GMT -5
Thanks Teresa |
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Post by teresahrc on May 22, 2009 18:55:26 GMT -5
uh...you're welcome.
What did I do?
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