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Post by Cepha on May 5, 2009 8:16:28 GMT -5
I had so much to say on this subject, but I'm going to be brief. My heart is heavy and I need my fellow Catholics (and non-Catholics who wish to) to gather around me and give me a big cyber-hug. Last night, as I watched EWTN, again they were attacking The President and slandering him. One could hear the animosity and hatred in their words and expressions. The Holy Spirit did not dwell in their hearts when they were saying these things. I was going to list the names that they called him, but I've decided not to. One of the guests literally stated that they were filled with hatred towards Catholics who stood by The President. Hatred?  It's ok to disagree with the Prez on policy, but to literally lie about him and misrepresent him to the Catholic Community is wrong. And to do it in The Church's name is even more wrong. Again, I'd be the first one to stand up and attack his policies on Pro-Life issues, but I'd never purposely lie about former President Bush to make him look bad or attach beliefs to him that he never had. I think that this is where they crossed the line and did it in a way that not only works against their cause (Pro-Life issues), but serves Satan in dividing Catholics against each other. There is never any excuse to sin to do good. Slander is a sin, literally "murder" in Jesus' own words. People need to watch what they say because they are going to be held accountable for their words in heaven when they are judged and because they have a talk show or just because they wear a Priest's collar or because they have friends in high places in The Church, do they automatically assume that their automatically doing the "right" thing? God is going to have a big surprise for them if they die without repenting. And I believe that these people will die without repenting. That's it...I'm going to leave it there. I just needed to get it off my chest. Let's all reflect on "what" we say as much as "how" we say it. We might think we're serving God, but that does not give any Christian a license to lie, to slander, to gossip or to "hate" anybody on His behalf. In a way, I'm grateful that I saw this. It makes me reflect on my own words. I am no saint without a doubt, but I have to thank God for allowing me to see this type of behavior by one of Catholicism's most powerful media outlets. I can honestly and wholeheartedly say this without an ounce of judgement, the American Catholic Church has put their politics over The Church's teachings. Case in point? The very Priest that I so love on the show literally stated that something "wasn't" Catholic teaching when it is. That made my jaw hit the floor. Catholics (both layity and religious) are becomming Churches unto themselves and this is only happening in The American Catholic Church where we believe that we have to be the freeest of all peoples. In the chase to be "Pro-Life", they are becomming murderers of truth and in that, they are "not" serving God or The Church. I ask you all to pray for me and to pray for these people who lie about The President of The United States in the name of The Catholic Church. To those that have received much (the grace to be God's servants), much is expected. Heaven help those more liable to God as His servants. Me? Heaven help me if I ever get so fanatical about my personal beliefs to the point that forego Catholic teachings. Amen. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on May 5, 2009 14:40:58 GMT -5
what show on ewtn was it? I would like to hear what they are saying
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Post by alfie on May 5, 2009 16:31:03 GMT -5
I also would like to know what show it was although it sounds like it was either Mitch Pacwa or Raymond Arroya's program. Occasionaly I like to watch EWTN especially when there is so much Protestant fluff on the T.V.
After the election 50 American Catholic bishops came out and said they were dissapointed in the results of the election. They didn't feel they make it plain enough that the first priority for a Catholic is to vote pro-life.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on May 5, 2009 19:33:14 GMT -5
Kinda off subject here, but i know of a crooked Priest in somerville tx that should be taken out of the priesthood. My sister has called cps on his facility and after recieving ugly emails from the priest, she wrote the Bishop of the Diecese so that something will be done.
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Post by Cepha on May 6, 2009 10:16:21 GMT -5
what show on ewtn was it? I would like to hear what they are saying Joan Benkovich's show (forgot the name). Just yesterday, a Priest I like almost said that The Obama Administration was a dictatorship, but he caught himself in time. He then went on to say that people aren't allowed to express themselves or risk being persecuted. Why? Because President Obama's work to stop abortion bombings and abortion doctor murders. So, when was stopping violence anti-Catholic? And, how could a Priest attack The President for wanting to stop violence against people? Isn't that what being Pro-Life is about? Is it ok to murder in the name of the Pro-Life movement? I can definitely understand speaking out against the doctors and doing everything within the confines of Church teaching to stop them, but murdering them? Since when did people of Christ justify "murder"? I don't justify abortion, how can he, a Priest of God call it persecution for The President to want to stop these acts of violence? Jesus said that we are to love our enemies. I would say that abortion is an enemy of Jesus and of God and of mankind. Where is the love? You can't be just a "little" bit Christian and you can't put your personal beliefs over Church teaching. We can never advocate murder as Catholics. It's just like I said, The American Catholic Church still doesn't have it's morals on right (that's why Pope John Paul called them in to square us away while he was still with us). Question: While of course being anti-abortion, would Jesus justify the bombing of clinics and the murder of people? |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on May 6, 2009 10:37:52 GMT -5
Jesus does not approve of that and i really dought any priest does either, unless they are crooked.
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Post by Cepha on May 6, 2009 11:09:40 GMT -5
I also would like to know what show it was although it sounds like it was either Mitch Pacwa or Raymond Arroya's program. Occasionaly I like to watch EWTN especially when there is so much Protestant fluff on the T.V. After the election 50 American Catholic bishops came out and said they were dissapointed in the results of the election. They didn't feel they make it plain enough that the first priority for a Catholic is to vote pro-life. Actually, they were the ones who put out the voting guide for American Catholics. And they were the same ones who The Pope chastized for the sexual scandal, so I wouldn't place my faith in The "American" Bishops. I'll roll with Rome!  |
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Post by Cepha on May 6, 2009 11:15:27 GMT -5
Kinda off subject here, but i know of a crooked Priest in somerville tx that should be taken out of the priesthood. My sister has called cps on his facility and after recieving ugly emails from the priest, she wrote the Bishop of the Diecese so that something will be done. Father Alberto just got caught with a woman on a beach somewhere in South America. He's a famous Catholic Priest/TV Personality on Spanish Language TV. See, that's why I can't be a Priest. I'm too easy to be tempted. I wouldn't last a month without getting in trouble. Even though there is a part of me that so admires them (the good ones) for the work they do. |
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Post by alfie on May 6, 2009 11:44:08 GMT -5
I also would like to know what show it was although it sounds like it was either Mitch Pacwa or Raymond Arroya's program. Occasionaly I like to watch EWTN especially when there is so much Protestant fluff on the T.V. After the election 50 American Catholic bishops came out and said they were dissapointed in the results of the election. They didn't feel they make it plain enough that the first priority for a Catholic is to vote pro-life. Actually, they were the ones who put out the voting guide for American Catholics. And they were the same ones who The Pope chastized for the sexual scandal, so I wouldn't place my faith in The "American" Bishops. I'll roll with Rome! Oh come on now! All fifty of them were involved in the cover up of priests accused of sexual abuse? I don't think so. We just had a priest(deceased) in my neck of the country accused of sexual misconduct years after the fact. How can anyone prove sexual abuse after 20 years or whatever... like so many of these victims claim? |
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Post by alfie on May 6, 2009 11:45:04 GMT -5
Kinda off subject here, but i know of a crooked Priest in somerville tx that should be taken out of the priesthood. My sister has called cps on his facility and after recieving ugly emails from the priest, she wrote the Bishop of the Diecese so that something will be done. Father Alberto just got caught with a woman on a beach somewhere in South America. He's a famous Catholic Priest/TV Personality on Spanish Language TV. See, that's why I can't be a Priest. I'm too easy to be tempted. I wouldn't last a month without getting in trouble. Even though there is a part of me that so admires them (the good ones) for the work they do. When are you getting married? |
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Post by Cepha on May 6, 2009 12:20:43 GMT -5
Actually, they were the ones who put out the voting guide for American Catholics. And they were the same ones who The Pope chastized for the sexual scandal, so I wouldn't place my faith in The "American" Bishops. I'll roll with Rome! Oh come on now! All fifty of them were involved in the cover up of priests accused of sexual abuse? I don't think so. We just had a priest(deceased) in my neck of the country accused of sexual misconduct years after the fact. How can anyone prove sexual abuse after 20 years or whatever... like so many of these victims claim? No, but it's a well known fact among The Church that the U.S. is full of Priests that border on heretical. It's just a fact. And I still don't trust them. This doesn't condemn all of them, but I follow The Pope and if The Pope saw deemed it neccessary to scold them, so be it! That's what's great about The Church...no one man or even group of men's faults can bring it down. The best of the best always rises to the top and make sure that we are protected even from attacks that come within The Church. Think about it...we are Satan's prime target. We've outlived all of the fake churches he tried to start. He hates us. |
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Post by Cepha on May 6, 2009 12:22:09 GMT -5
Father Alberto just got caught with a woman on a beach somewhere in South America. He's a famous Catholic Priest/TV Personality on Spanish Language TV. See, that's why I can't be a Priest. I'm too easy to be tempted. I wouldn't last a month without getting in trouble. Even though there is a part of me that so admires them (the good ones) for the work they do. When are you getting married? When I find a good wife. Why? Know of anybody who wants a man that doesn't smoke, drink, do drugs, gamble or hangs out in the streets and who wants children and a home? Send them my way. |
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Post by watchman on May 6, 2009 12:41:52 GMT -5
what show on ewtn was it? I would like to hear what they are saying Joan Benkovich's show (forgot the name). Just yesterday, a Priest I like almost said that The Obama Administration was a dictatorship, but he caught himself in time. He then went on to say that people aren't allowed to express themselves or risk being persecuted. Why? Because President Obama's work to stop abortion bombings and abortion doctor murders. So, when was stopping violence anti-Catholic? And, how could a Priest attack The President for wanting to stop violence against people? Isn't that what being Pro-Life is about? Is it ok to murder in the name of the Pro-Life movement? I can definitely understand speaking out against the doctors and doing everything within the confines of Church teaching to stop them, but murdering them? Since when did people of Christ justify "murder"? I don't justify abortion, how can he, a Priest of God call it persecution for The President to want to stop these acts of violence? Jesus said that we are to love our enemies. I would say that abortion is an enemy of Jesus and of God and of mankind. Where is the love? You can't be just a "little" bit Christian and you can't put your personal beliefs over Church teaching. We can never advocate murder as Catholics. It's just like I said, The American Catholic Church still doesn't have it's morals on right (that's why Pope John Paul called them in to square us away while he was still with us). Question: While of course being anti-abortion, would Jesus justify the bombing of clinics and the murder of people? I am surprise to see someone who claims to be so pro catholic also be so pro Obama, I really cannot see how the 2 can co exist. |
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Post by watchman on May 6, 2009 12:45:05 GMT -5
Oh come on now! All fifty of them were involved in the cover up of priests accused of sexual abuse? I don't think so. We just had a priest(deceased) in my neck of the country accused of sexual misconduct years after the fact. How can anyone prove sexual abuse after 20 years or whatever... like so many of these victims claim? No, but it's a well known fact among The Church that the U.S. is full of Priests that border on heretical. It's just a fact. And I still don't trust them. This doesn't condemn all of them, but I follow The Pope and if The Pope saw deemed it neccessary to scold them, so be it! That's what's great about The Church...no one man or even group of men's faults can bring it down. The best of the best always rises to the top and make sure that we are protected even from attacks that come within The Church. Think about it...we are Satan's prime target. We've outlived all of the fake churches he tried to start. He hates us. The Pope spoke out against Notre Dame allowing Obama to speak in their Collage. Who do you choose between the peope and Obama? What about when Obama refused to speak at George Town unless they covered up the portrait of Jesus? |
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Post by Cepha on May 6, 2009 13:07:46 GMT -5
I am surprise to see someone who claims to be so pro catholic also be so pro Obama, I really cannot see how the 2 can co exist. You'd have to be a Catholic to understand. See, The Catholic Church teaches us that we don't have top agree 100% with any given candidate to vote for him/her. We should definitely avoid the liers (like McCain who claimed to be Pro-Life, but believed in Abortion in 3 out of 4 cases). Obama is more in line with Catholicism than was McCain on Social Justice, Just War Doctrine, Serving The Poor, etc...the only issue that Obama is 100% wrong on is on Pro-Life issues and we are taught to "not" allow one issue to overrule the others. There has to be a balance of voting. For example, if the 100% Pro-Life candidate was also Pro-Unjust War, Racist and against giving to the poor, we couldn't vote for him. His faults way outweigh his one good point. While being against The Church with regards to Pro-Life issues, he's with The Church pretty much on everything else except Gay Civil Unions (Obama is anti-Gay Marriage). |
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Post by Cepha on May 6, 2009 13:14:02 GMT -5
The Pope spoke out against Notre Dame allowing Obama to speak in their Collage. Who do you choose between the peope and Obama? That's not true Watchman. He spoke out against Obama being "honored", but not at his speaking there and I am 100% inline with The Pope (always). And even if he had spoke out against Obama speaking at Notre Dame, I'd line up with The Pope there too! Where did you get the information that The Pope was against Obama speaking at Notre Dame? That too is not true. He didn't "refuse" to speak there. He just stated that when speaking from a public standpoint, the background has to be nuetral. This wasn't just done there. This was done at other places too. Where is your proof that he "refused" it unless the portrait was covered? |
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Post by alfie on May 6, 2009 13:18:41 GMT -5
The Pope spoke out against Notre Dame allowing Obama to speak in their Collage. Who do you choose between the peope and Obama? That's not true Watchman. He spoke out against Obama being "honored", but not at his speaking there and I am 100% inline with The Pope (always). And even if he had spoke out against Obama speaking at Notre Dame, I'd line up with The Pope there too! Where did you get the information that The Pope was against Obama speaking at Notre Dame? That too is not true. He didn't "refuse" to speak there. He just stated that when speaking from a public standpoint, the background has to be nuetral. This wasn't just done there. This was done at other places too. Where is your proof that he "refused" it unless the portrait was covered? Then why speak at a Catholic college? |
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Post by watchman on May 6, 2009 13:27:05 GMT -5
The Pope spoke out against Notre Dame allowing Obama to speak in their Collage. Who do you choose between the peope and Obama? That's not true Watchman. He spoke out against Obama being "honored", but not at his speaking there and I am 100% inline with The Pope (always). And even if he had spoke out against Obama speaking at Notre Dame, I'd line up with The Pope there too! Where did you get the information that The Pope was against Obama speaking at Notre Dame? That too is not true. He didn't "refuse" to speak there. He just stated that when speaking from a public standpoint, the background has to be nuetral. This wasn't just done there. This was done at other places too. Where is your proof that he "refused" it unless the portrait was covered? You really are enamored with Obama huh? Speaking the truth against this guy is like insulting you mother. (this is the impression you give at least) |
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Post by Cepha on May 6, 2009 13:37:28 GMT -5
Then why speak at a Catholic college? He was invited to speak there.  Why not speak at a Catholic College? |
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Post by Cepha on May 7, 2009 9:25:20 GMT -5
That's not true Watchman. He spoke out against Obama being "honored", but not at his speaking there and I am 100% inline with The Pope (always). And even if he had spoke out against Obama speaking at Notre Dame, I'd line up with The Pope there too! Where did you get the information that The Pope was against Obama speaking at Notre Dame? That too is not true. He didn't "refuse" to speak there. He just stated that when speaking from a public standpoint, the background has to be nuetral. This wasn't just done there. This was done at other places too. Where is your proof that he "refused" it unless the portrait was covered? You really are enamored with Obama huh? Speaking the truth against this guy is like insulting you mother. (this is the impression you give at least) You should read what I write more carefully. I have no problem with anybody speaking the truth against him. It's when they lie and do it with a collar on that especially dissappoints me. |
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