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Post by teresahrc on May 12, 2009 14:45:28 GMT -5
Cepha, you don't know if the priest intentionally lied!! Give me proof that it was intentional, and if it was intentional, then why don't you send him an email and confront him instead of slandering him here!!! Arghh!! Don't get me upset, or I karate chop.
Anyway, I stand by my statement that Obama can defend himself, but the millions of babies cannot.
teresa
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Post by Cepha on May 12, 2009 15:25:45 GMT -5
Cepha, you don't know if the priest intentionally lied!! Give me proof that it was intentional, and if it was intentional, then why don't you send him an email and confront him instead of slandering him here!!! Arghh!! Don't get me upset, or I karate chop. Anyway, I stand by my statement that Obama can defend himself, but the millions of babies cannot. teresa The argument wasn't whether he intentionally lied or not. The problem here is with the fact that he DID lie! So, if it wasn't intentional, then that's ok with you? He lied. That's it. There is no justification for that, whether it was intentional or not. And a Priest should know better. Look at me, I'm no where near a Priest and I know way better than to misrepresent anybody. I expect MORE from a man of The Cloth who basically is responsible for teaching us these things. And standing by your statement is off topic. No one ever debated that. You could say it a million times and choose to ignore the fact that the Priest lied. And, I am "not" slandering him. What I have said is the truth. That Priest is the slanderer because he lied. What kind of world is it when the person who tells the truth is confronted and the person who lies is defended? And why don't I send him and email? Because, I am not at that level of calmness where I could address him yet. I'm smart enough to know that I'd want to be calmer than what I am now. Again, you continue to ignore the lie (and sin) of the Priest. Start a thread on Obama and abortion. You won't get any challenges from me. But do me the favor of keeping this thread focused on the lieing Priest (unless you want him to get away with his slanderous lies because it supports your belief on abortion...but let me warn you that once you're willing to support slander [which in Jesus' words is also murder] in order to get you point across, then you are not working within the confines of The Truth). Question: Did Jesus ever lie to defend or promote any of His positions? |
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Post by teresahrc on May 12, 2009 15:45:50 GMT -5
No, lying is never OK.
But yeah, there is a difference, and even the Catechism says so. If you intentionally lie, it is different from lying accidently. Much different.
If you want to just talk about the Priest, here's my advice for you:
15"If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.
16"But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED. (Matthew 18)
21Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?"
22Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times. (Matthew 18)
"If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him. 4If he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times comes back to you and says, 'I repent,' forgive him."
(Luke 17)
peace
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Post by Cepha on May 12, 2009 15:55:53 GMT -5
No, lying is never OK. But yeah, there is a difference, and even the Catechism says so. If you intentionally lie, it is different from lying accidently. Much different. If you want to just talk about the Priest, here's my advice for you: 15"If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.
16"But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED. (Matthew 18) 21Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?"
22Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times. (Matthew 18) "If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him. 4If he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times comes back to you and says, 'I repent,' forgive him." (Luke 17) peace Here's my advice to The Priest...stay out of politics and don't showboat and challenge the President when you don't have the facts! And...don't say something unless it's comfirmed truth! And...let The President stop those people who blow up abortion clinics and who shoot abortion doctors! And...instead of bashing and lieing about The President (whether knowingly or not), pray for him! Be like Jesus was and The Pope...only speak the truth and present your case to him! |
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Post by Cepha on May 17, 2009 15:32:26 GMT -5
My heart is no longer heavy!
It's amazing how The Catholic Community has come out and the religious fanatics have been relugated to just a minority of Catholics!
Even among Devout practicing Catholic, President Obama enjoys great admiration and approval while they still disagree with his Pro-Choice stances!
I love being Catholic! Thank God prudence and wisdom prevailed.
The very Validictorian of Notre Dame put it best when she said how President Obama, despite his Pro-Choice stances lines up with Catholic Teachings on almost everything else (certainly far more that any Republican offering for President this past election).
That's what I love about being Catholic.
We have The Church to guide us!
And The Church has spoken!
The religious extremists even in The Catholic Church will not take over the Church!
The gentleness of Christ is truly in The Catholic Church!
Anddddd!
Best part of all, 51% of Americans are now Pro-Life!
That's incredible! I never thought I'd see that! But hey!
New President! More Pro-Lifers! Obama is going to have to take that in consideration from now on as he makes his decisions concerning Life issues!
God is giving us a break!
Maybe, we are going to get a chance to change and become a more "Christian" country!
I hope so!
Maybe, God is hearing the prayers of all those Catholics who are praying that President Obama's heart will be changed by God!
I'm soooooo happy now!
Out of this "almost" Notre Dame mess, good has arisen!
While the religious extremists tried to hijack the day and steal the memories from those graduating, all was handled well!
Know what's funny? None of these people protested when other Presidents who went against Catholic teachings spoke at Notre Dame (one of them was even raised a Catholic! Reagan!).
Why do they speak against this particular President?
Why is he different from the others?
Better yet, let me put it like this, what's different about this President from the other Presidents that were against Church teachings?
Hmmm...I wonder?
(No I don't, I know!)
Hey, Catholics, those of you who are against the non-Catholic President Obama speaking at Notre Dame, how do you feel about The Pope allowing a Catholic Pro-Choice Governor to be honored at Vatican City!
Where's the Protest there?
Huh?
(Crickets Chirping...)
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Post by Cepha on May 17, 2009 15:33:21 GMT -5
Hey Watchman, where's your proof that "the truth is" that The Pope spoke out against President Obama speaking at Notre Dame?
Huh?
I'm still waiting for you to prove it.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on May 17, 2009 17:06:41 GMT -5
Hmmm...I wonder?
(No I don't, I know!)
What do you know? I have a feeling i just want to hear it again...and again..and again...the more it is said the more ignorant it sounds.
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Post by Cepha on May 17, 2009 18:09:40 GMT -5
Hmmm...I wonder? (No I don't, I know!) What do you know? I have a feeling i just want to hear it again...and again..and again...the more it is said the more ignorant it sounds. Hear what? |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on May 17, 2009 18:58:22 GMT -5
Ok, you totally did not answer the question!
LOL
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Post by alfie on May 17, 2009 20:05:18 GMT -5
Hey Watchman, where's your proof that "the truth is" that The Pope spoke out against President Obama speaking at Notre Dame? Huh? I'm still waiting for you to prove it. On this one you are correct. www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1898756,00.html?imw=Y |
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Post by Cepha on May 18, 2009 9:55:55 GMT -5
Ok, you totally did not answer the question! LOL LOL! What was the question?  |
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Post by Cepha on May 18, 2009 10:02:59 GMT -5
Hey Watchman, where's your proof that "the truth is" that The Pope spoke out against President Obama speaking at Notre Dame? Huh? I'm still waiting for you to prove it. On this one you are correct. www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1898756,00.html?imw=Y Thank you Alfie.  |
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Post by Cepha on May 18, 2009 10:20:01 GMT -5
The truth is that the Pope did speak out against Notre Dame for asking Obama to speak there... Watchman, As it has been proven here by Alfie and has been stated here by myself, this "truth" of yours seems to be untrue. What is your evidence, your proof, that " the Pope did speak out against Notre Dame for asking Obama to speak there"? You've dodged this question long enough...I think it's time you either retract this if it is a lie and slanderous against our (Catholics') Church's leader or prove what you alleged about him. You can't just say anything without it being true in order to misrepresent the position of someone falsely. You will be held accountable for that slander (unless you repent and retract that misstatement about what the Pope did or didn't do). |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on May 18, 2009 11:50:52 GMT -5
The truth is that the Vatican has stayed silent on the whole issue, i did alot of investigating yesterday on the issue and thats all i found everywhere.
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Post by Cepha on May 18, 2009 12:49:18 GMT -5
The truth is that the Vatican has stayed silent on the whole issue, i did alot of investigating yesterday on the issue and thats all i found everywhere. That's what I've always seen. I can't find it (and I'll trust you guys to accept this as the truth), but from what I saw when a Vatican Spokesman make a statement, he said that The Pope had no problem with President Obama speaking at the commencement speech and said absolutely nothing regarding the honor. Here's the hypocrisy of those who are against him getting honored.... a) they ignore all of the other things that Obama is in line with the Church on b) the didn't protest Bush who is against the church on way more things than Obama was c) they attach this honor as some sort of acceptance of his Pro-Choice stances while ignoring his stances on social justice or just war or serving the poor, etc...when they didn't do that to Bush d) if President Obama is equally at odds with the Church as was Bush (actually, Bush was way more at odds with The Catholic Church than Obama is), why pick on him and not Bush? What is the difference between the two if it aint' politics? Hmmm... e) The Pope honored Bill Richardson for his Pro-Catholic works, a Catholic himself who is Pro-Choice. Why aren't these same people protesting The Pope? Hypocrites! |
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Post by Cepha on May 18, 2009 13:07:20 GMT -5
By the way, I believe that the honor should've been awarded with specific wording that stated that they were supporting President Obama's works that are in line with The Catholic Church. I think that would've been the intelligent thing to do.
That, should be done for all persons who speak there.
Fact is, you won't find many politicians who are 100% in line with The Catholic Church. How many Catholics are in line with 100% of what The Catholic Church teaches?
Anyway, they should word these honors stating exactly why any honoree is being honored.
It's a good thing the Pro-Lifer Extremists didn't ruin the day for the students who deserved to have their day without this controversy.
I was sad for them, but they showed that they had true (no pun intended) "class"!
Bully for them!
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on May 18, 2009 14:21:03 GMT -5
I do think Obama handled the situation very well. I also believe that those who protested were only protesting because they in their hearts have strong feelings against anyone who supports killing babies that are partial birthed.
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Post by Cepha on May 18, 2009 14:54:51 GMT -5
I do think Obama handled the situation very well. I also believe that those who protested were only protesting because they in their hearts have strong feelings against anyone who supports killing babies that are partial birthed. I agree with you 101% and there is a time for that...but not during these poor kid's day in the sun. How would they like it if Pro-Choice protestors appeared at their weddings? Or at their first communion? That was totally wrong for them to try to sully the day for these graduates who deserved a peaceful day. Again, there are appropriate times for this. This wasn't one of them. No matter how much I agree with them in heart, they were 100% wrong and all they did is made themselves look like inconsiderate extremists. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on May 18, 2009 14:59:50 GMT -5
I have not heard any of the students complaining about it on tv, they just said that they were not going to protest.
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Post by Cepha on May 18, 2009 15:19:41 GMT -5
I have not heard any of the students complaining about it on tv, they just said that they were not going to protest. I think that the student body was like 70% ok with it. As for the staff, it was like 60%. I feel so much better today. Honestly, if President Obama couldn't be there because he was Pro-Choice, then The Pope should've never had accepted Bill Richardson and honored him (an actual Catholic who's Pro-Choice which to me is unthinkable). |
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