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Post by watchman on Jun 3, 2009 14:03:25 GMT -5
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 3, 2009 16:37:19 GMT -5
uh huh....
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Post by Ramon on Jun 3, 2009 20:18:06 GMT -5
Yes, and unlike most Protestants, Saint James taught that we are justified not by Faith Alone(this is the teaching of Christ, Saint Peter, Saint Paul, and the other Holy Apostles). That was the teaching of the Holy Fathers of the Church from the 1st-21st Century. The Holy Orthodox Church has maintain that belief since 33AD.
In IC.XC,
Ramon
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Post by watchman on Jun 3, 2009 20:26:00 GMT -5
Yes Faith alone is a false protestant evangelical belief.
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 3, 2009 20:34:01 GMT -5
I am saved by grace, not by works.
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Post by watchman on Jun 3, 2009 20:34:48 GMT -5
That is nice emily, but do you believe in faith alone?
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 3, 2009 21:33:05 GMT -5
Um, not sure. Can you define?
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Post by watchman on Jun 3, 2009 22:47:11 GMT -5
It is one of the 5 sola/ sola fida, It means that faith in Christ alone is enough to get you to Heaven.
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 3, 2009 22:57:44 GMT -5
Wait a minute! How can there be 5 "solas"?!! Something doesn't seem right about that. Shouldn't there be only 1 sola? Can't they narrow it down to 1?
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Post by watchman on Jun 3, 2009 23:03:04 GMT -5
Wait a minute! How can there be 5 "solas"?!! Something doesn't seem right about that. Shouldn't there be only 1 sola? Can't they narrow it down to 1? lol...yeah God alone. ;D |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 3, 2009 23:10:34 GMT -5
Yeah really!
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Post by Cepha on Jun 4, 2009 8:51:49 GMT -5
I am saved by grace, not by works. But not "just" by grace alone. And neither by works alone. One isn't mutually exclusive of the other. Both are needed. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 4, 2009 8:53:12 GMT -5
Wait a minute! How can there be 5 "solas"?!! Something doesn't seem right about that. Shouldn't there be only 1 sola? Can't they narrow it down to 1? Yeah, Anti-Catholics would get mad when I'd point that out. How can there be 5 Solas (sola means "alone"). LOL! Just like 33,000+ different denominations could mean "one" like Jesus and The Father are One! LOL! |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 4, 2009 9:04:23 GMT -5
Joey- Yes. I believe that once one is born-again and has accepted Christ and has faith in Him, they are Saved from that moment on.
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Post by watchman on Jun 4, 2009 10:38:50 GMT -5
Well that is incorrect, we can choose to turn from our faith, nor is it the answer to my question. Do you believe is salvation through faith alone?
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 4, 2009 10:59:27 GMT -5
I don't think I understand what "faith alone" is. I accepted Christ on Feb 29, 2004...if I died/die anytime after that I would have been Saved.
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Post by Ramon on Jun 4, 2009 12:46:59 GMT -5
I don't think I understand what "faith alone" is. I accepted Christ on Feb 29, 2004... if I died/die anytime after that I would have been Saved.Not really. There is no such thing as "Once Saved Always Saved". Salvation is not based upon a past moment confession of faith. Salvation is a lifelong process, involving continuing believing and obeying Christ. That is why Christ, Saint Peter, Saint Paul (read the book of Hebrews for instance), and the other Holy Apostles warn the Early Christians about falling from grace. They had to repent, believe, enter into the Baptismal Font, partake of the Holy Mysteries (Holy Eucharist), and live a life worthy of there invocation. If you endure to the end through persecution (Mt. 10:22) which will come because of godly living (2 Tim. 3:12), hold firm to the end of your life (Heb. 3:14) and remain faithful to God until our physical death (Rev. 2:10,11), then we will not be condemn. Blessed Paul taught the same in different words: "The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers" (Gal. 6:8-10). Eternal life (Salvation) is also reaped but only by those sowing to please the Spirit of God (in obedience). Hence, eternal life is often called "hope", as shown elsewhere in Scripture (Titus 1:2; 3:7). Between initial and final salvation (salvation in Scriptures is describe as past, present, and future), there are many spiritual blockades that can interfere with and even prevent your following/believing in Christ Jesus and salvation such as: persecutions, cares of this life, pleasures of this life, becoming and staying lukewarm, not producing good fruit, becoming unforgiving and even through lusts and hatred that can creep in. This is clearly taught in Sacred Scriptures. Salvation is not based on grace alone through faith alone (just believing in Jesus Christ), but it is a lifelong commitment involving faith and works. We can not earn salvation, but faith is always tiled with works (love, cf. Gal 5:6). " Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." (James 2:18-24) In IC.XC, Ramon |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 4, 2009 13:05:50 GMT -5
I did a lesson on Assurance of Salvation in my Discipleship. So I guess I'm faith-alone....? Maybe, I really have no idea...nor do I really care, I just blieve what the BIble says.
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Post by Ramon on Jun 4, 2009 13:09:15 GMT -5
I did a lesson on Assurance of Salvation in my Discipleship. So I guess I'm faith-alone....? Maybe, I really have no idea...nor do I really care, I just blieve what the BIble says. And what does the Bible teaches? It doesn't teach salvation is by grace alone through faith alone (cf. James 2:18-24), so if you believe that (which I believe you do based upon your resent statement), then you do not believe what the Bible teaches. Sola Fida (Faith Alone) is a late Protestant invention. Please read the above Scriptures I posted. Salvation is not based upon a past moment confession of faith. It is not based upon grace alone through faith alone. In IC.XC, Ramon |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 4, 2009 14:23:08 GMT -5
The Blood was Christ is enough for me. All the efforts I make to earn my Salvation are in vain...and rather insulting to God.
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