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Post by Cepha on Jul 1, 2009 12:26:48 GMT -5
Steven, So it's the group of Apostles or Disciples that are the foundation of the church then? Not just one of them? It's The Apostles (the original 12) and The Prophets (not just The Apostles alone). |
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Post by emily445455 on Jul 1, 2009 12:28:25 GMT -5
And what are Apostles/Disciples? Men and women who Jesus taught/were taught about Jesus?
Yup, I'm one of those.
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Post by Cepha on Jul 1, 2009 12:31:44 GMT -5
And what are Apostles/Disciples? Men and women who Jesus taught/were taught about Jesus? Yup, I'm one of those. Apostle: One who walked with Christ Disciple: Follower of Christ (but didn't walk with Him while He was alive). There are no more Apostles. They all died 2,000 years ago. There are only Disciples (us). |
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Post by emily445455 on Jul 1, 2009 12:33:37 GMT -5
I walk with Christ, at least I try to  |
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Post by Cepha on Jul 1, 2009 12:37:30 GMT -5
I walk with Christ, at least I try to You and I are Disciples. |
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Post by emily445455 on Jul 1, 2009 12:43:15 GMT -5
And Apostles, if you really think about it. I do my best to walk with God daily.
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Post by Cepha on Jul 1, 2009 13:01:01 GMT -5
And Apostles, if you really think about it. I do my best to walk with God daily. No, not if "you really think about it." We haven't been with Him "physically". We didn't see the ressurected Christ. These are the standards of Acts 1. |
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Post by alfie on Jul 1, 2009 13:02:34 GMT -5
Here is what Luther says about Peter:
That Caiaphas, Pilate, and St Peter came to Rome, and appeared before the emperor, is mere fable; the histories touching that point do not accord. Christ died in the reign of Tiberius Caesar, who governed five years after his death. All histories unanimously agree, that St Peter and St Paul died under the emperor Nero, whose last year was the five and twentieth year after the death of Christ. But St Peter was eighteen years at Jerusalem after Christ’s death, as the Epistle to the Galatians witnesses; and after that, he was seven years at Antioch. Then, as they fable, he ruled afterwards five and twenty years at Rome.
No pope among them all yet ruled five and twenty years; and, according to this reckoning, St Peter was not crucified under Nero. St Luke writes, that St Paul was two whole years at liberty in Rome, and went abroad; he mentions nothing at all of St Peter. It is a thing not to be believed that St Peter ever was at Rome.
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Post by emily445455 on Jul 1, 2009 13:07:36 GMT -5
Steven, Who ever said someone has to be physically with God to walk with Him?
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Post by teresahrc on Jul 1, 2009 13:46:16 GMT -5
alfie, If you believe and trust what Luther says about St. Peter, then why don't you believe what Luther says about other topics?
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Post by Ramon on Jul 1, 2009 14:40:09 GMT -5
alfie, If you believe and trust what Luther says about St. Peter, then why don't you believe what Luther says about other topics? Because they reject the Reformers when they wrote or preach things that are "too Catholic" for there taste. It is quite clear that Alfie do not believe Martin Luther was endowed with a special gift from God to proclaim the truth versus what the Roman Catholic Church taught at that time. Why don't Alfie mention Martin Luther when talking about Infant Baptism, Baptismal Regeneration, the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Christ, intercession of Saints and Angels, veneration of the Theotokos, the Ever-Virginity and Assumption of Mary, etc? Simple, she doesn't believe him when he spoke of these things. I disagree with Luther because History is against him. Also, alfie, can you give us the link for that post? Why don't you post citation every time you quote from a Father or a Reformer? I bet you got that quote from a anti-Catholic site, right? ;D In IC.XC, Ramon |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jul 1, 2009 14:43:12 GMT -5
Steven, Who ever said someone has to be physically with God to walk with Him? If you really think you are an "Apostle" you are really sssttrreching it! |
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Post by teresahrc on Jul 1, 2009 14:47:05 GMT -5
Bishops are "Apostles" they have been ordained and serve in the office of the Apostles in succession since the time of the first Apostles. You have to be ordained an APostle by another Apostle, you can't just decide to become one on your own.
Sorry, but women are never "Apostles" only Men.
You can certainly be a disciple though. All of us can if we follow Jesus--no matter what race, gender or religion.
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Post by emily445455 on Jul 1, 2009 15:24:14 GMT -5
Marice, how come? If a Apostle is one who walks with God...well...I walk with God to the best of my ability.
Heather, Where does it say only men can be Apostles? And I already am a Disciple.
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Post by teresahrc on Jul 1, 2009 15:55:12 GMT -5
Apostolic tradition Emily.
Remember, women aren't permitted to teach or have authority over a man. An Apostle is a teacher sent by Jesus to teach. How could it be a woman?
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Post by emily445455 on Jul 1, 2009 16:03:08 GMT -5
Okay, that's fine...I'm satisfied being a Disciple and a little, precious stone |
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Post by teresahrc on Jul 1, 2009 17:15:38 GMT -5
Me too Emily. I don't want to have the responsibility of leader others.
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Post by alfie on Jul 1, 2009 23:19:05 GMT -5
alfie, If you believe and trust what Luther says about St. Peter, then why don't you believe what Luther says about other topics? Because they reject the Reformers when they wrote or preach things that are "too Catholic" for there taste. It is quite clear that Alfie do not believe Martin Luther was endowed with a special gift from God to proclaim the truth versus what the Roman Catholic Church taught at that time. Why don't Alfie mention Martin Luther when talking about Infant Baptism, Baptismal Regeneration, the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Christ, intercession of Saints and Angels, veneration of the Theotokos, the Ever-Virginity and Assumption of Mary, etc? Simple, she doesn't believe him when he spoke of these things. I disagree with Luther because History is against him. Also, alfie, can you give us the link for that post? Why don't you post citation every time you quote from a Father or a Reformer? I bet you got that quote from a anti-Catholic site, right? ;D In IC.XC, Ramon |
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Post by alfie on Jul 1, 2009 23:23:42 GMT -5
alfie, If you believe and trust what Luther says about St. Peter, then why don't you believe what Luther says about other topics? Ditto Heather! If you believe and trust what Luther says about Mary, then why don't you believe what Luther says about Peter? |
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Post by Ramon on Jul 1, 2009 23:29:30 GMT -5
Because they reject the Reformers when they wrote or preach things that are "too Catholic" for there taste. It is quite clear that Alfie do not believe Martin Luther was endowed with a special gift from God to proclaim the truth versus what the Roman Catholic Church taught at that time. Why don't Alfie mention Martin Luther when talking about Infant Baptism, Baptismal Regeneration, the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Christ, intercession of Saints and Angels, veneration of the Theotokos, the Ever-Virginity and Assumption of Mary, etc? Simple, she doesn't believe him when he spoke of these things. I disagree with Luther because History is against him. Also, alfie, can you give us the link for that post? Why don't you post citation every time you quote from a Father or a Reformer? I bet you got that quote from a anti-Catholic site, right? ;D In IC.XC, Ramon Thank-You Alfie! |
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