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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 9, 2008 12:13:13 GMT -5
Luke 3 John the Baptist Prepares the Way 1In the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar—when Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea, Herod tetrarch of Galilee, his brother Philip tetrarch of Iturea and Traconitis, and Lysanias tetrarch of Abilene— 2during the high priesthood of Annas and Caiaphas, the word of God came to John son of Zechariah in the desert. 3He went into all the country around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. 4As is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet: "A voice of one calling in the desert, 'Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him. 5Every valley shall be filled in, every mountain and hill made low. The crooked roads shall become straight, the rough ways smooth. 6And all mankind will see God's salvation.' "
7John said to the crowds coming out to be baptized by him, "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? 8Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. And do not begin to say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' For I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham. 9The axe is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire."
10"What should we do then?" the crowd asked.
11John answered, "The man with two tunics should share with him who has none, and the one who has food should do the same."
12Tax collectors also came to be baptized. "Teacher," they asked, "what should we do?"
13"Don't collect any more than you are required to," he told
them. 14Then some soldiers asked him, "And what should we do?"
He replied, "Don't extort money and don't accuse people falsely—be content with your pay."
15The people were waiting expectantly and were all wondering in their hearts if John might possibly be the Christ. 16John answered them all, "I baptize you with[c] water. But one more powerful than I will come, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. 17His winnowing fork is in his hand to clear his threshing floor and to gather the wheat into his barn, but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire." 18And with many other words John exhorted the people and preached the good news to them.
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 9, 2008 12:18:54 GMT -5
Cepha- Just saying "water" can mean different things.
Marcie- right, baptism is essential, just not by water.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 9, 2008 12:49:59 GMT -5
Cepha- Just saying "water" can mean different things. Marcie- right, baptism is essential, just not by water. You didn't answer my post. Do you believe that Jesus meant something other than H2O when He said water? And if so, what then? Keep in mind that you are placing words in Jesus' mouth now. Also, "Verily, verily...." means without a doubt, right? So when Jesus said water, he meant H20. Jesus said that it was "true" that you need water. ver·i·ly
adv.
1. In truth; in fact.
2. With confidence; assuredly.
Synonyms: absolutely, amen, certainly, doubtlessly, easily, even, for real, in point of fact, in truth, much, naturally, of course, positively, really, strictly, surely, sure thing*, to be sure, truly, undeniably, undoubtedly, verily, veritably, very, very much, well
Are you saying that Jesus was "not" speaking in truth when He said water? That He was speaking symbollicaly for something else? If He meant water symbollically, then wouldn't it be wrong for Him to say "verily"? |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 9, 2008 12:51:05 GMT -5
Cepha- Just saying "water" can mean different things. Marcie- right, baptism is essential, just not by water. But baptism by "water" is what Jesus said is neccessary, not just baptism alone. Where does it say in The Bible baptism "doesn't" need water to be valid? |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 9, 2008 12:59:38 GMT -5
What did Jesus mean when He said "water" in that passage several times Emily?
And if Jesus wasn't baptized in "water", what was He baptized in?
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Post by stevenelijah on Apr 9, 2008 17:31:54 GMT -5
this is absolutely incredible. Here os a serching distraught muslim who asks God what his name is. Guess who appears to him. This is a video of a Muslim man who came to Jesus Christ out of Islam. It is soul shaking! Please watch ALL the way to the end! It is SO annointed! It is a message for us ALL! www.muslimjourneytohope.com/testimonies/testimony_afshin.wmv (also you can watch many more(get your kleenex out) by deleting all to right ofhope.com/ |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 9, 2008 19:24:08 GMT -5
Jesus was baptized in water.
My Bible says "John 3:5- born of water implies natural, physical birth, since Spirit refers to supernatural spiritual birth."
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Post by Cepha on Apr 9, 2008 20:12:17 GMT -5
Jesus was baptized in water. My Bible says "John 3:5- born of water implies natural, physical birth, since Spirit refers to supernatural spiritual birth." New American Standard Bible (©1995) Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. King James Bible Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. World English Bible Jesus answered, "Most certainly I tell you, unless one is born of water and spirit, he can't enter into the Kingdom of God! American King James Version Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. American Standard Version Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except one be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God! Bible in Basic English Jesus said in answer, Truly, I say to you, If a man's birth is not from water and from the Spirit, it is not possible for him to go into the kingdom of God. Douay-Rheims Bible Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Darby Bible Translation Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except any one be born of water and of Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. English Revised Version Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) Jesus answered Nicodemus, "I can guarantee this truth: No one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit. Tyndale New Testament Iesus answered: verily, verily I say unto thee: except that a man be born of water, and of the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Weymouth New Testament "In most solemn truth I tell you," replied Jesus, "that unless a man is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God. Webster's Bible Translation Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say to thee, Except a man be born of water, and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Young's Literal Translation Jesus answered, 'Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born of water, and the Spirit, he is not able to enter into the reign of God; I don't see one version that says: "born of water implies natural, physical birth, since Spirit refers to supernatural spiritual birth."" |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 9, 2008 20:28:59 GMT -5
It says that in the notes of my KJV study Bible  |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 9, 2008 21:45:55 GMT -5
It says that in the notes of my KJV study Bible Notes aren't Scripture. Notes aren't The Word of God. Notes are the personal opinion of the author. Your faith shouldn't be based on the notes of a man. I guess you really aren't a Sola Scripturist. They believe that only The Bilble is to be used to base one's faith on (not on man-inspired notes).  |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 10, 2008 8:07:18 GMT -5
I thought we already determined that I wasn't?
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Post by Cepha on Apr 10, 2008 10:14:21 GMT -5
I thought we already determined that I wasn't? I'm sorry. I thought you said you were. My mistake.  So you don't believe what your church teaches then? "We believe that the Bible is the Word of God and is the only complete and final revelation of the will of God to man."If it is complete, why does it need people to teach it in classes? Wasn't one of the main reasons that Protestantism was launched was because they felt that man didn't need a church to teach the Word of God to it? |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 10, 2008 20:52:58 GMT -5
Studying the Bible together is very important. Right, no one needs a church or a pastor to teach them, the Gospel is simple, and can be understood by basically anyone. It is the complete and final revelation to man...and sometimes we have to use our brains to put things together...God did give them to us for a reason  |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 10, 2008 21:21:22 GMT -5
Studying the Bible together is very important. Right, no one needs a church or a pastor to teach them, the Gospel is simple, and can be understood by basically anyone. It is the complete and final revelation to man...and sometimes we have to use our brains to put things together...God did give them to us for a reason So why go to class if The Holy Spirit and a book are enough? |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 11, 2008 15:47:44 GMT -5
Cepha, because it is important to study the Bible. It is also important to fellowship with other Believers. You can study the Bible alone, but I choose to study it with other beleivers...I get more out of it that way.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 11, 2008 16:03:04 GMT -5
Yes, to study...but why go to a class if it is self-authenticating?
Yes, but what does that have to do with study? Fellowship is associating.
So you can only get "more" out of The Bible "with" others?
Doesn't that kill your belief that the Bible "alone" is sufficient to teach you?
Or at the very least, aren't you saying that the Bible "alone" isn't sufficient for you to get "more" out of it
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 11, 2008 16:04:16 GMT -5
I could study the Bible alone and get enough from it, but I have found studying it with others benefits me more.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 11, 2008 16:07:46 GMT -5
I could study the Bible alone and get enough from it, but I have found studying it with others benefits me more. So then for you, the Bible "alone" is "not" sufficient to get you "more" out of it? You need to study with others to get more out of it than you'd get alone. Right? |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 11, 2008 16:08:16 GMT -5
Would you say that you "need" to study with others to get "more" out of The Bible alone?
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 11, 2008 16:13:09 GMT -5
No. I just prefer to study with other people.
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