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Post by alfie on May 28, 2009 13:11:54 GMT -5
No, you don't have to pray the Lord's prayer. If you think you can come up with a better prayer, go for it. By the way, how is the Rosary done "for show" when 99% of the time people pray it alone in their home? And how is meditating on the life of Jesus "vain"? You think that people shouldn't meditate on Jesus for more than a few minutes? Didn't St. Paul say through the Holy Spirit: "Pray without ceasing"? But you are saying we should only pray for a few minutes? At the very least, every Christian should pray the Lord's prayer once a day. " Give us this day our daily bread" Why are we not aloud to say a meaningful phrase repetitiously in prayer, while most Churches SING repetitiously meaningful phrases? What is the difference? Aren't most hymns and Christian songs really prayers? What about "praying scripture"? A very awesome thing to do. What if someone prayed: Psalm 136 1 Give thanks to the LORD, for he is good.
His love endures forever.
2 Give thanks to the God of gods.
His love endures forever.
3 Give thanks to the Lord of lords:
His love endures forever.
4 to him who alone does great wonders,
His love endures forever.
5 who by his understanding made the heavens,
His love endures forever.
6 who spread out the earth upon the waters,
His love endures forever.
7 who made the great lights—
His love endures forever.
8 the sun to govern the day,
His love endures forever.
9 the moon and stars to govern the night;
His love endures forever.
10 to him who struck down the firstborn of Egypt
His love endures forever.
11 and brought Israel out from among them
His love endures forever.
12 with a mighty hand and outstretched arm;
His love endures forever.
13 to him who divided the Red Sea asunder
His love endures forever.
14 and brought Israel through the midst of it,
His love endures forever.
15 but swept Pharaoh and his army into the Red Sea;
His love endures forever.
16 to him who led his people through the desert,
His love endures forever.
17 who struck down great kings,
His love endures forever.
18 and killed mighty kings—
His love endures forever.
19 Sihon king of the Amorites
His love endures forever.
20 and Og king of Bashan—
His love endures forever.
21 and gave their land as an inheritance,
His love endures forever.
22 an inheritance to his servant Israel;
His love endures forever.
23 to the One who remembered us in our low estate
His love endures forever.
24 and freed us from our enemies,
His love endures forever.
25 and who gives food to every creature.
His love endures forever.
26 Give thanks to the God of heaven.
His love endures forever.Please don't tell me Psalm 136 is a "vain" repetition. Rats Teresa! You beat me to it! LOL! We might as well not even post at the same time! We have "repetitious" posts! LOL! Where in the Bible does it say we are to chant the Hail Mary 150 times? Just because the Bible says Hail Mary full of grace doesn't mean God said to pray it. Today (on the net) I listened to Mother Angelica and her group of nuns recite the Rosary. At first when I started listening to it I was bored out of my gourd but then after a while I began to enjoy listening to the words (actually more like Emily described as a droning) that were being spoken over and over again. It sounds like a Buddhist or Hindu mantra when they chant. In Hindu and Buddhist religious practice, a mantra is a sacred word, chant, or sound that is repeated during meditation to facilitate spiritual power and transformation of consciousness so why is the Rosary any different from a mantra? I won't listen to the Rosary again because as I just said something came over me and I really believe (with all of my heart) it was demon spirits. Anytime people mess with their consciousness they are apt to bring in demonic spirits. You need to stop trying to alter your consciousness Cepha. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on May 28, 2009 13:14:12 GMT -5
Your right it was demon spirits, making you turn against the mother of Jesus!
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Post by watchman on May 28, 2009 13:14:31 GMT -5
Hello? Melchizedek is a Priest "of" The Old Covenant. How do you separate the two? You really are lost aren't you? The old covenant wasn't established until about 400 years after Melchizedek. Listen I do not mind if you do not know it all, but can you at least stop acting like you do. You are embarrassing yourself. |
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Post by watchman on May 28, 2009 13:16:54 GMT -5
And I love being a non catholic true follower of Jesus Christ, the true God. So, if you're a non-universal Christian, what denomination do you belong to? I thought you said you're not a denominational Christian, right?  You are right I have no affiliation but Christ. We both know that you meant the RCC when you said catholic and not the universal Church, in regards to all believers. Word games  |
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Post by alfie on May 28, 2009 13:18:55 GMT -5
Scripture please? Scripture please? Hello? Melchizedek is a Priest "of" The Old Covenant. How do you separate the two? Also, you do know that The Catholic Mass is according to the order of Melchizedek, right? ;D Really? Let's begin with the "lesson" then! First, let's establish Jesus' physical lineage! You do know that Mary's father was a Priest, right? (Just wait until you see what order Priest he was!) ;D All I know is Melchizedek was Abrahams high priest. |
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Post by watchman on May 28, 2009 13:20:25 GMT -5
Scripture please? Scripture please? Hello? Melchizedek is a Priest "of" The Old Covenant. How do you separate the two? Also, you do know that The Catholic Mass is according to the order of Melchizedek, right? ;D Really? Let's begin with the "lesson" then! First, let's establish Jesus' physical lineage! You do know that Mary's father was a Priest, right? (Just wait until you see what order Priest he was!) ;D All I know is Melchizedek was Abrahams high priest. Right and the Old covenant was not established until Moses. |
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Post by Cepha on May 28, 2009 13:20:29 GMT -5
Where in the Bible does it say we are to chant the Hail Mary 150 times? Negative evidence works both ways...where in the Bible does it say that we can't? ;D The Bible doesn't say The Trinity in it either. Does that automatically mean that we are not supposed to believe in it? And, 1/2 of the Hail Mary is scripture, the other 1/2 an intercessory prayer (which as we all know, pleases God when we pray for each other and even The Bible tells us to do this). Again, it is a meditative prayer. While you're praying, you're supposed to be focused on the words. It is designed just like the Jewish meditative prayers that Jesus prayed as a Jewish Priest Himself, only now, it's a Christian prayer for us. The first half is recitation of scripture, the 2nd half asks Jesus' mother to pray for us. Yeah. That was Satan for sure. He doesn't want you to recite The Prayer. It would make Jesus happy if you loved His mother. Satan doesn't want you to lover here because then you'd see that she was the first Christian, that she was the first believer, that while some Christians today brag about having Jesus "in" them, only she literally had Jesus "in" her. You just might start looking at how loyal she was to Him, at what an example of a true Christian is. You just might grow closer to her. And he certainly wouldn't want that because Satan hates Mary. Book of Revelations Chapter 12. Read about how he pursued her after she gave birth to our Savior.  I don't have to alter it. When I've prayed The Rosary, I was in my full faculties. That's one of the graces one receives when they have faith. |
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Post by Ramon on May 28, 2009 13:20:44 GMT -5
I can't believe that God wouldn't be more pleased if a prayer was spontaneous rather then routine. Since prayer is how we communicate with God, would you want the same thing said over and over to you if you were God? Personally I wouldn't want the same prayer prayed to me because it's rather obvious that, the person doing the praying doesn't want to put much effort into the prayer. Really? In Rev. 4:8, the angels pray day and night without cessation the same words "Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God Almighty." This is repetitious prayer that is pleasing to God. So God doesn't seem to mind, why do you? So the Holy Angels are not putting much effort in there prayers? In Psalm 136, the phrase "For His steadfast love endures forever" is more repetitious than saying the Lord's Prayer a few times a day. In fact, if you read the Book of Psalms, you will see repetitious in a few places. In Psalms 103, the phrase "Bless the Lord my Soul" is repeated several times. We are instructed by Saint Paul to pray without ceasing (1 Tim 5:17). We are too pray constantly, every day. The Bible also instruct us to give thanks to God always. It quite evident from Scriptures, that God doesn't mind repetitious (or routine) prayers. The only one who seem to mind and doesn't like it is you and others....... In fact the longer the prayer the odds are it is being done merely for show as was pointed out in the New Testament when people were praying in the synagoges. Not really. In fact, Psalm 119 is the longest Psalm (prayer) in the whole Bible, comprising of 176 verses! One can easily pray this long prayer out of the heart and not for a show. One can easily pray a short prayer for a show too! In IC.XC, Ramon |
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Post by Cepha on May 28, 2009 13:22:01 GMT -5
Check this out...
Hail [Mary] full of grace,
The Lord is with thee,
Luke 1:28
And the angel being come in, said unto her:
"Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women."
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Blessed art thou amongst women,
And Blessed is the fruit of they womb, [Jesus].
Luke 1:42
And she cried out with a loud voice, and said;
"Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb."
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Holy Mary,
Luke 1:46
"And Mary said: My soul doth magnify the Lord."
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Mother of God,
Luke 1:43
"And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?"
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Pray for us sinners,
1 Timothy 2:1-4
"I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone, for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all men to be
saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth."
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Now and at the hour of our death,
Luke 8:41-42
And a man whose name was Jairus, head of the synagogue, fell at the feet of Jesus, and begged him to go to his house. For he had an old child girl, of about the age of twelve, and she was near death. And as Jesus went with him, a great crowd pressed him.
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Amen.
So be it.
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Post by Cepha on May 28, 2009 13:24:53 GMT -5
So, if you're a non-universal Christian, what denomination do you belong to? I thought you said you're not a denominational Christian, right? You are right I have no affiliation but Christ. We both know that you meant the RCC when you said catholic and not the universal Church, in regards to all believers. Word games Word games? I spoke the truth. The Roman Catholic Church is The Catholic Church (as is The Eastern Orthodox Church). Nobody who knows history denies this. It literally "is" The Universal Christian Church while all other Christian churches are literally denominations that can all be traced back to a religious leader (what you'd call a "man"). I'd never deny that The Roman Catholic Church is The Universal Church. It is. And, by saying you have "no affiliation", then that makes you what's called a member of the "non-denominational" sect of Christianity (which was born in the 1900's). ;D |
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Post by Cepha on May 28, 2009 13:25:32 GMT -5
Your right it was demon spirits, making you turn against the mother of Jesus! Wow CC! You're getting like me and Teresa! That's like the 3rd time that we've answered almost identically! ;D |
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Post by Cepha on May 28, 2009 13:26:38 GMT -5
Hello? Melchizedek is a Priest "of" The Old Covenant. How do you separate the two? You really are lost aren't you? The old covenant wasn't established until about 400 years after Melchizedek. Listen I do not mind if you do not know it all, but can you at least stop acting like you do. You are embarrassing yourself. Just answer the questions I posted...we'll take it from there! ;D (This is like sitting at a bear trap and watching a grizzly nawing on the bait! LOL! ) |
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Post by Cepha on May 28, 2009 13:27:12 GMT -5
Scripture please? Scripture please? Hello? Melchizedek is a Priest "of" The Old Covenant. How do you separate the two? Also, you do know that The Catholic Mass is according to the order of Melchizedek, right? ;D Really? Let's begin with the "lesson" then! First, let's establish Jesus' physical lineage! You do know that Mary's father was a Priest, right? (Just wait until you see what order Priest he was!) ;D All I know is Melchizedek was Abrahams high priest. Not only that, he was literally "greater" than Abraham! |
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Post by watchman on May 28, 2009 14:03:37 GMT -5
You are right I have no affiliation but Christ. We both know that you meant the RCC when you said catholic and not the universal Church, in regards to all believers. Word games Word games? I spoke the truth. The Roman Catholic Church is The Catholic Church (as is The Eastern Orthodox Church). Nobody who knows history denies this. So Christ has 2 bodies? What is good for the goose is good for the gander. |
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Post by watchman on May 28, 2009 14:04:37 GMT -5
You really are lost aren't you? The old covenant wasn't established until about 400 years after Melchizedek. Listen I do not mind if you do not know it all, but can you at least stop acting like you do. You are embarrassing yourself. Just answer the questions I posted...we'll take it from there! ;D (This is like sitting at a bear trap and watching a grizzly nawing on the bait! LOL! ) Like I said you are embarrassing yourself. The sad thing is you don't ever realize it. |
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Post by watchman on May 28, 2009 14:06:07 GMT -5
And, by saying you have "no affiliation", then that makes you what's called a member of the "non-denominational" sect of Christianity (which was born in the 1900's). ;D Guess again, I am not, nor would I be a member of a non denominational Church  |
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Post by teresahrc on May 28, 2009 20:08:53 GMT -5
LOL!!! ROTFLMBFCBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by teresahrc on May 28, 2009 20:11:39 GMT -5
I'll let Jesus alter my consciousness. You do know that the Rosary is a meditation on the life of Christ? I would much rather have my "consciousness" be fixed on Jesus than myself!
I don't care what Buddhists or whoever does what. Muslims give alms to the poor, so does that mean we shouldn't do it? Try again.
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Post by Ramon on May 28, 2009 21:57:28 GMT -5
I'll let Jesus alter my consciousness. You do know that the Rosary is a meditation on the life of Christ? I would much rather have my "consciousness" be fixed on Jesus than myself! I don't care what Buddhists or whoever does what. Muslims give alms to the poor, so does that mean we shouldn't do it? Try again. I agree teresahrc. Some Non-Catholics (Protestants) tend to always compare teachings/practices of the Roman Catholic Church with Buddhism and other religions. Then they say "You see? The Roman Catholics is Pagan" or "You see? The Roman Catholic Church share things with cults". But in reality, Christianity and other religions have things in common! You can't condemn something in RCC simply because Buddhism has something "very close" to it! The Rosary (both Catholic and Orthodox versions) are mediation of stories in Scriptures and Tradition. Saint Paul tell us to "pray without ceasing" (1 Thes 5:17)! One way to do that is to do the Rosary and the Jesus Prayer found in Orthodoxy! We Orthodox have a practice of saying the "Jesus Prayer" (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Have mercy on me, a sinner) on a prayer rope repeating. I feel so close to Christ when I mediate on that prayer! Our task is to draw nearer to God. St. Isaac of Syria says that it is impossible to draw near to God by any means other than increasing prayer. We enter prayer to follow Christ, to become open to Him. His way is the Way of the Cross.
When I say this prayer repeating, I am fully conscious by the way! ;D ;D In IC.XC, Ramon |
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Post by Cepha on May 29, 2009 10:43:21 GMT -5
Word games? I spoke the truth. The Roman Catholic Church is The Catholic Church (as is The Eastern Orthodox Church). Nobody who knows history denies this. So Christ has 2 bodies? What is good for the goose is good for the gander. There are several things that Jesus' Body is compared to. The Church. The Eucharist. At least that's what The Holy Bible says. You didn't know this? |
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