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Post by Cepha on May 29, 2009 10:44:09 GMT -5
Just answer the questions I posted...we'll take it from there! ;D (This is like sitting at a bear trap and watching a grizzly nawing on the bait! LOL! ) Like I said you are embarrassing yourself. The sad thing is you don't ever realize it. Does this mean that you are "not" going to respond to the questions I posted? Why not?  |
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Post by Cepha on May 29, 2009 10:45:37 GMT -5
And, by saying you have "no affiliation", then that makes you what's called a member of the "non-denominational" sect of Christianity (which was born in the 1900's). ;D Guess again, I am not, nor would I be a member of a non denominational Church  Non-Denominationalism is a denomination of Christianity. No one ever said that you were a member of a non-denom church, but of the "sect" of non-denom Christianity. And that, you cannot deny. You said it yourself. ;D You're a non-denominational Christian. |
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Post by watchman on May 29, 2009 13:24:38 GMT -5
Guess again, I am not, nor would I be a member of a non denominational Church Non-Denominationalism is a denomination of Christianity. No one ever said that you were a member of a non-denom church, but of the "sect" of non-denom Christianity. And that, you cannot deny. You said it yourself. ;D You're a non-denominational Christian. I can deny it I am not a part of any sect outside of Christianity itself. I am a Christian and nothing else. I am not Catholic, I am not protestant, I am not denominational, and I am not non denominational. I am a Christian, and that is all I am, a disciple of Christ plain and simple. |
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Post by teresahrc on May 29, 2009 21:42:38 GMT -5
Then, who are the Bishops, deacons, etc. that you are submitting to? Like, where do you go when you share in the Lord's supper? Your house? Someone's house? A rented building? Are your Christians friends the same as your, or are you the only one that believes that way? If you decided you wanted to be a pastor, what (if any) seminary would you go to?
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Post by watchman on May 29, 2009 21:56:57 GMT -5
Then, who are the Bishops, deacons, etc. that you are submitting to? Like, where do you go when you share in the Lord's supper? Your house? Someone's house? A rented building? Are your Christians friends the same as your, or are you the only one that believes that way? If you decided you wanted to be a pastor, what (if any) seminary would you go to? Those are good questions. I am submitted to my Pastor. I also seek advice from my oldest brother, he is 55 and has been ministering since he was 17, also my mother. I take communion at Church the first Sunday of each month also periodically with my wife at home, sometimes with me, my wife , and my 12 year old son (who is a Christian). Some of my christian friends believe similarly to myself and some are pure ''Church of God'' denominationalist. Either way I would not change my view. I have not been called to be a Pastor although I may seek to be ordained to evangelize. If So I would probably go through Word of Life Ministries. My brother is on the board. |
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Post by teresahrc on May 29, 2009 22:18:37 GMT -5
Ok, actually I'm relieved because I thought that you didn't go to church at all!
I think I've heard of Word of Life, that sounds so familiar. Do they have missionaries too? We have supported a lot of missionaries over the years.
peace
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Post by watchman on May 29, 2009 22:40:44 GMT -5
Ok, actually I'm relieved because I thought that you didn't go to church at all! I think I've heard of Word of Life, that sounds so familiar. Do they have missionaries too? We have supported a lot of missionaries over the years. peace Yes they have missionaries. My brothers travels all over the world, smuggling Bibles into China, preaching in Africa ect... |
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Post by Cepha on May 30, 2009 9:13:51 GMT -5
Ok, actually I'm relieved because I thought that you didn't go to church at all! I think I've heard of Word of Life, that sounds so familiar. Do they have missionaries too? We have supported a lot of missionaries over the years. peace Yes they have missionaries. My brothers travels all over the world, smuggling Bibles into China, preaching in Africa ect... Your brother rocks!  |
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Post by Cepha on May 30, 2009 9:17:29 GMT -5
Non-Denominationalism is a denomination of Christianity. No one ever said that you were a member of a non-denom church, but of the "sect" of non-denom Christianity. And that, you cannot deny. You said it yourself. ;D You're a non-denominational Christian. I can deny it I am not a part of any sect outside of Christianity itself. I am a Christian and nothing else. I am not Catholic, I am not protestant, I am not denominational, and I am not non denominational. I am a Christian, and that is all I am, a disciple of Christ plain and simple. I didn't say outside of Christianity. I said outside of "universal" Christianity. And, you are "not" a "universal" Christian. Universal Christians are "Christians and nothing else." By being outside of the universal Church, you automatically place yourself in a sect of Christianity outside of the universal Church. And, non-denominationalism is a denomination of Protestant Christianity (because you're not a universal Christian). You don't have to accept those truths, but they are never the less, still true. A Protestant is literally a Christian of non-universal affiliation. Even if you are a church of one (don't go to church, only worship God yourself, etc...), but are a Christian, you are a Protestant by default by not belonging to the universal Church and thus are a denomination of Christianity unto yourself. Paul talked about this alot in the NT. |
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Post by Cepha on May 30, 2009 9:22:54 GMT -5
Those are good questions. I am submitted to my Pastor. Therefore, you adhere to a structure of heirchy, right? Who consecrates the unleavened bread? A Priest? Because in The Bible, when Jesus told the Apostles to do that (and everytime after that in scripture), a Priest literally consecrated the unleavened bread. And why only on the first Sunday when in Scripture, they did it every Sunday? But once you're ordained, you literally become a Priest (pastor means "Priest"). You do know that you have to go to seminary for 10 years to be an ordained Christian Minister, right? Why would you have to go to them if you're already a Priest (as you said in a previous post)? |
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Post by watchman on May 30, 2009 12:48:04 GMT -5
I can deny it I am not a part of any sect outside of Christianity itself. I am a Christian and nothing else. I am not Catholic, I am not protestant, I am not denominational, and I am not non denominational. I am a Christian, and that is all I am, a disciple of Christ plain and simple. I didn't say outside of Christianity. I said outside of "universal" Christianity. And, you are "not" a "universal" Christian. Universal Christians are "Christians and nothing else." By being outside of the universal Church, you automatically place yourself in a sect of Christianity outside of the universal Church. And, non-denominationalism is a denomination of Protestant Christianity (because you're not a universal Christian). You don't have to accept those truths, but they are never the less, still true. A Protestant is literally a Christian of non-universal affiliation. Even if you are a church of one (don't go to church, only worship God yourself, etc...), but are a Christian, you are a Protestant by default by not belonging to the universal Church and thus are a denomination of Christianity unto yourself. Paul talked about this alot in the NT. Plain and simply you are wrong. I have no affiliation except for Christ. |
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Post by watchman on May 30, 2009 15:58:20 GMT -5
Those are good questions. I am submitted to my Pastor. Therefore, you adhere to a structure of heirchy, right? I am a Bible believing Christian and the Bible says to love and respect those over you in the Lord. If I am going to attend a Church I will submit to the Pastor of that Church. That is why I would not attend a Church in Which I did not have full respect for the leadership of that Church. Show me the scripture for that, it sounds like Catholic mumbo jumbo to me. That is the way they do it. To you. Nope I can be ordained to Evangelize in 6 months  Don't know why we need an ordination the Apostles were not ordained by anyone but Christ as am I already. Man has a system that sometimes is hard to get around if you want people to let you preach in their churches |
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Post by teresahrc on May 30, 2009 19:51:04 GMT -5
That's good though. I have heard way too many stories about preachers who end up teaching their church a bunch of crazy doctrine.
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Post by Cepha on Jun 1, 2009 9:17:07 GMT -5
Plain and simply you are wrong. I have no affiliation except for Christ. No, I'm plain right. You refer to yourself as a Christian, yet are not affiliated with either a Protestant sect of The Universal Christian Church, right? That makes you a member of the non-denominational sect of Chrisstianity (an off-shoot of Protestantism or what is also knowns as "Protestantism's Protestants" because you not only protest the Catholic Church, you also protest The Protestant churches). You of course don't have to accept that fact, but it doesn't make the fact "not" true none the less. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 1, 2009 9:37:07 GMT -5
Therefore, you adhere to a structure of heirchy, right? I am a Bible believing Christian and the Bible says to love and respect those over you in the Lord. If I am going to attend a Church I will submit to the Pastor of that Church. That is why I would not attend a Church in Which I did not have full respect for the leadership of that Church. I will take that as a resounding " yes" (that you adhere to a structure of heirchy)! ;D It is definitely a "universally" Christian belief (only certain "sects" of Christianity don't believe in this). Here, you have Jesus (The Priest) consecrating the unleavened bread bread (blessing). Mark 14 22And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body. Jesus also did this "after" his ressurection in Acts... Luke 24:29-30 29But they urged Him, saying, "Stay with us, for it is getting toward evening, and the day is now nearly over." So He went in to stay with them.
30When He had reclined at the table with them, He took the bread and blessed it, and breaking it, He began giving it to them. Ok, but why not like The Church did it in The Bible (common union on The Lord's Day...every Sunday)? Why not The Biblical manner? Actually, pastor means "Priest" to everybody (not just to me)... pastor –noun
1. a minister or priest in charge of a church.
2. a person having spiritual care of a number of persons.
3. Ornithology. any of various starlings, esp. Sturnus roseus (rosy pastor) of Europe and Asia. But not as a Priest. In scripture, Priests take years to be prepared (not just a few months). The Apostles were ordained by Jesus Christ when He gave them The Holy Spirit. The Apostles in turn ordained other Bishops. And, you are not in The Holy Bible, so you cannot say that you were ordained by Christ as The Apostles were. You never walked with Jesus Christ back then. This is a requirement for one to be called ordained a Bishop by The Apostles: Acts 1 21"Therefore it is necessary that of the men who have accompanied us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us--
22(beginning with the baptism of John until the day that He was taken up from us--one of these must become a witness with us of His resurrection." I can't speak about your personal religion, but Biblically speaking, those are the requirements for one to be called an Apostle. (This was the beginning of Apostolic Succession...at first, they replaced the dieing Apostles with other Apostles, but then after that, when they ran out of those who actually walked with Christ and were with Him from His own Baptism until the Ressurection, they went on to ordain their students...whom today we refer to as The Church Fathers.) |
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Post by watchman on Jun 1, 2009 10:08:25 GMT -5
Plain and simply you are wrong. I have no affiliation except for Christ. No, I'm plain right. You refer to yourself as a Christian, yet are not affiliated with either a Protestant sect of The Universal Christian Church, right? That makes you a member of the non-denominational sect of Chrisstianity (an off-shoot of Protestantism or what is also knowns as "Protestantism's Protestants" because you not only protest the Catholic Church, you also protest The Protestant churches). You of course don't have to accept that fact, but it doesn't make the fact "not" true none the less. Let me see if you can understand this. I am not affiliated with Catholicism, protestantism, or any non denominational sect of any sort. You claiming something to be so does not make it so. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 1, 2009 10:32:11 GMT -5
Let me see if you can understand this. I am not affiliated with Catholicism, protestantism, or any non denominational sect of any sort. You claiming something to be so does not make it so. You could believe that you could be a non-Catholic Christian and still not be a Protestant, but you refusing to accept the facts does not make it so. Protestant –noun 1. any Western Christian who is not an adherent of a Catholic, Anglican, or Eastern Church.
2. an adherent of any of those Christian bodies that separated from the Church of Rome during the Reformation, or of any group descended from them.
3. (originally) any of the German princes who protested against the decision of the Diet of Speyer in 1529, which had denounced the Reformation.
4. (lowercase) a person who protests. That's "you". Like it or not. You "are" affiliated with a sect of Christianity "not" universal in nature. Even if you are completely alone and pledge no allegiance to any church (even if you submit your religious education to them). |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 1, 2009 11:36:56 GMT -5
What is the difference between "submission" and "affiliation" You say you submit to the pastor of your choice, and I assume that pastor is the pastor of a church. Aren't you then "affiliated" with that pastor's church? To be honest, I think "submission" is a MUCH stronger word than "affiliation". So, your current pastor what denomination was he ordained in? Even if he says he is "non-denominational" what seminary did he go to? |
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Post by watchman on Jun 1, 2009 11:50:22 GMT -5
He is ordained through the Church of God a pentecostal denomination and the church I go to is a Church of God denomination. I am submitted to him as my Pastor but not to the denomination itself. I refuse to join the church because I do not want to be submitted to them. To be honest I do not agree with everything they teach. Although my Pastor does not teach those things in our church so I to not mind being a regular attender under his authority.
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 8:41:06 GMT -5
He is ordained through the Church of God a pentecostal denomination and the church I go to is a Church of God denomination. I am submitted to him as my Pastor but not to the denomination itself. I refuse to join the church because I do not want to be submitted to them. To be honest I do not agree with everything they teach. Although my Pastor does not teach those things in our church so I to not mind being a regular attender under his authority. I feel sorry for you. It must be sad for you to not have a fellowship with other believers. Granted, Jesus is "enough", but it sure is nice to have a "home" to worship at. Speaking for all the Catholics here, I can go to any Catholic Church in the world and walk right in and be at home. Every Catholic Priest is "my" Priest. I have 1.4 Billion fellow Catholics that I can fellowship with (and several hundreds of millions more that I can also in denominational Christianity). I used to be like you. Then, Jesus revealed His Church to me. I must have done something that pleased Him. I remember the moment He revealed it to me as I read scripture. I jump on you a lot, but honestly, reading that gives me a new (and sad) perspective on you and makes me feel sorry for you. You're "homeless" spiritually. I'll pray for you. Oh yeah, and in light of what you just wrote, I feel so bad for riding you how I have been. Forgive me please.  |
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