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Post by watchman on Jun 9, 2009 11:06:13 GMT -5
Yes, Jesus Christ is the Truth. I totally agree. And He, the truth, told us to obey everything He commanded us. Guess what? He commanded us to submit to the Church, and He built His Church on St. Peter and the Apostles. It's fine if you all don't want to debate Catholic teachings, but that is the whole point of this website. If you are here for "fellowship" then I'm really confused (unless you are Catholic) esp. if you are anti Catholic or think our Church is Satantic. Allthough we will gladly "fellowship" with you because even if you don't think we are Christians, we know that both we and you all are. The problem with your argument is that the RCC is not the church Jesus told us to submit to. Further more I have no problem debating anything the RCC calls the truth, moreover I do not think you are a non christian just because you are catholic although I do believe most catholics are non christians. Mainly because they bare no fruit serving a religion instead of Christ Himself, although some Catholic do serve Christ and bare fruit. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 9, 2009 11:23:19 GMT -5
What better way to know the author than to read His Work? How do you determine that the work is actually authored by the author that it's claimed to be authored by?  |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 9, 2009 11:41:39 GMT -5
Joey, I have not seem enough evidence that proves them wrong.
Steven, The Bible says God is the author, God has proved that the Bible is True....that's all I need.
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Post by Ramon on Jun 9, 2009 11:57:06 GMT -5
Joey, I have not seem enough evidence that proves them wrong. Steven, The Bible says God is the author Where it said that? We need to be careful when we say "God is the author". The Bible is made up of books written by human writers under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. God did not take over there bodies. The Bible is divinely inspired but humanly express. Each author had they own writing skills, and express the Truth in there own way, under there own intelligent skills. That is why we can tell apart Saint Paul's Epistles with that of Saint Peter, Saint John, etc. In IC.XC, Ramon |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 9, 2009 12:00:49 GMT -5
I agree with Ramon. And how do you know which books belong in the Bible? Where is the list? Is it in the New Testament somewhere? Is there a list that says such and such books should be in the Canon?
No, because God gave authority to the Church to decide that. Either the Church AND the Bible are infallible, or NEITHER are.
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 9, 2009 12:02:04 GMT -5
Ramon, God definitly wrote it using men's hands. If it was merely another book written by men, I wouldn't be so interested in it. 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 9, 2009 12:15:11 GMT -5
That's what He said Emily. The Holy Spirit is God. But He didn't take over their bodies, like Ramon said. I don't even think that St. Paul knew at the time (or St. Peter, St. John etc) that their letters would one day be called "the New Testament" or "the Word of God"
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 9, 2009 12:16:06 GMT -5
Heather, probably not...but that doesn't make them not God's Work.
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 9, 2009 12:18:53 GMT -5
I know!!! I believe just as much as protestants, that the Bible is the Word of God!
But it didn't just fall out of the sky like that. God spoke it through the Church, canonized it through the Church, preserved it through the Church, and interprets it through the Church!
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Post by watchman on Jun 9, 2009 12:38:11 GMT -5
Joey, I have not seem enough evidence that proves them wrong. Steven, The Bible says God is the author, God has proved that the Bible is True....that's all I need. I have giving enough scripture in this thread to disprove OSAS, and you have plainly stated you would not read it because you know what you believe. There would never be enough scripture to prove or disprove anything when people have that attitude instead of searching for the truth no matter what that truth may be. |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 9, 2009 12:41:05 GMT -5
"searching for the truth no matter what that truth may be."
That's beautiful and I really recommend it.
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Post by watchman on Jun 9, 2009 12:46:23 GMT -5
"searching for the truth no matter what that truth may be." That's beautiful and I really recommend it. awww,  |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 9, 2009 12:58:40 GMT -5
see, I can be sweet sometimes too.
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Post by Ramon on Jun 9, 2009 13:23:44 GMT -5
Heather, probably not...but that doesn't make them not God's Work. Yes, in some sense, it is God's work. God inspired the authors what to write, but at the same time, he allowed them to express it in there own way (using there own human skills). God did not take over there bodies, as if the authors had no idea what was going on. That is why I am saying we need to be careful when we say "God is the author". I have meet too many Protestant who say that phrase in a very Fundamentalist way. In fact, in some way, the authors had idea that they were being inspired to write books. In 1 Corinthians 7:12, Saint Paul mention the following: "To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord)". This doesn't mean 1 Corinthians is not inspired Scripture, but just that Saint Paul had no knowledge that he was inspired to write what he wrote. In some way, the authors of the Bible has no idea they were writing books that will later be called "Scriptures". I have no problem calling Scriptures "God's word". As long we realize that the Bible is divinely inspired but humanly express. In IC.XC, Ramon |
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Post by Ramon on Jun 9, 2009 13:25:12 GMT -5
I know!!! I believe just as much as protestants, that the Bible is the Word of God! But it didn't just fall out of the sky like that. God spoke it through the Church, canonized it through the Church, preserved it through the Church, and interprets it through the Church! Amen!  |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 9, 2009 15:32:44 GMT -5
Joey, I have not seem enough evidence that proves them wrong. Steven, The Bible says God is the author Where it said that? We need to be careful when we say "God is the author". Ramon That was my first thought too. Fact is, The Bible doesn't even say the word "bible" in it. |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 9, 2009 15:45:52 GMT -5
So?
That's why I mostly call it "God's Word"...but the general public know it by "the Bible".
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Post by Cepha on Jun 9, 2009 15:55:49 GMT -5
I know!!! I believe just as much as protestants, that the Bible is the Word of God! But it didn't just fall out of the sky like that. God spoke it through the Church, canonized it through the Church, preserved it through the Church, and interprets it through the Church! No it didn't happen like that! Jesus created The Church, it got corrupted by man "before" The Bible was written and it dissappeared until the 16th Century in England! LOL! (at least that's what some Europeans would have you believe! LOL!) |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 9, 2009 16:01:48 GMT -5
"searching for the truth no matter what that truth may be." That's beautiful and I really recommend it. My friend has a good one: "Some prefer comfort to truth." |
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Post by mrstain on Jun 11, 2009 19:19:17 GMT -5
I know!!! I believe just as much as protestants, that the Bible is the Word of God! But it didn't just fall out of the sky like that. God spoke it through the Church, canonized it through the Church, preserved it through the Church, and interprets it through the Church! Bull pucky! Everyone knows that God gave the divinely inspired table of contents to the translators of the only true bible -- the King James Version. I kid, I kid. ;D |
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