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Post by Cepha on Jun 9, 2009 17:15:40 GMT -5
So, you're happy that Tiller was murdered?  You need to repent and come to Obama.  I am happy babies have been saved from being murdered. But are you happy that Tiller was murdered? (I didn't ask if you were happy babies have been saved from being murdered.) |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 9, 2009 18:11:44 GMT -5
I'm not happy he was murdered. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Post by watchman on Jun 9, 2009 20:56:31 GMT -5
You need to repent and come to Obama. So Obama is you Messiah huh? Even if this is some type of joke it is certainly not a joke that a Christian should be saying. For the worshiping of another outside of Christ is not a joking matter. |
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Post by watchman on Jun 9, 2009 20:58:03 GMT -5
What about the death of Hitler? The death of Tiller probably saved as many or more live that killing Hitler did. Was the death of Hitler a bad thing?
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Post by watchman on Jun 9, 2009 21:00:36 GMT -5
Civil war means a war fought by people in the same country--against each other. No, the first civil war was about slavery and states vs federal gov. etc. Yes, and the Southern States had a right to secede from the Union like the Constitution says. Lincoln was wrong to force them back into the Union. I totally agree. |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 9, 2009 21:09:20 GMT -5
Joey, I thought the same thing, just didn't say anything.
I guess, to me...I don't want to see anyone murdered but come to know Jesus Christ. If someone murders them....there is no chance of that.
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 9, 2009 22:51:04 GMT -5
I agree, the end doesn't justify the means.
But it does make me wonder how people create these complex "just war" theories and apply them only to other countries. And then there are army Chaplains and "evangelical" soldiers in some places!
But what about abortion? Can there be a "just" civil war?
I'm probably on the black list just for speculating that, but oh well.
There was a huge (completely justifiable in every way) outcry when Americans finally realized what was going on with the Nazis. Millions of people were being systematically murdered.
Here, right in our own country, millions and millions of babies are being murdered, and where is the outrage? Is it because we can't see the victims? It is because they are small? Someone please explain this to me.
I'm not for violence at all, but surely something more can be done, non-violently. What can we do?
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 9, 2009 23:22:45 GMT -5
CC, where are you? Come back! We need you.
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 10, 2009 8:28:33 GMT -5
Heather, yes, I think it is because the unborn children are small, have no voice, and aren't seen. In in the camps in Germany, we could see body upon body in photos, people who were skinny as skeletons, etc. With the unborn babies...none of that is really made public. Not sure why....government doesn't allow it?
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Post by alfie on Jun 10, 2009 8:52:53 GMT -5
I agree, the end doesn't justify the means. But it does make me wonder how people create these complex "just war" theories and apply them only to other countries. And then there are army Chaplains and "evangelical" soldiers in some places! But what about abortion? Can there be a "just" civil war? I'm probably on the black list just for speculating that, but oh well. There was a huge (completely justifiable in every way) outcry when Americans finally realized what was going on with the Nazis. Millions of people were being systematically murdered. Here, right in our own country, millions and millions of babies are being murdered, and where is the outrage? Is it because we can't see the victims? It is because they are small? Someone please explain this to me. I'm not for violence at all, but surely something more can be done, non-violently. What can we do? When Jesus comes back to fight in the Battle of Armagedon are you gonna say that is an unjust war too? There are many examples in the Old Testament where God commanded the Jewish people to kill whole tribes of men, women and children. Why? Because these tribes sacrificed their babies to pagan gods like Baal. |
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Post by watchman on Jun 10, 2009 9:46:40 GMT -5
I agree, the end doesn't justify the means. But it does make me wonder how people create these complex "just war" theories and apply them only to other countries. And then there are army Chaplains and "evangelical" soldiers in some places! But what about abortion? Can there be a "just" civil war? I'm probably on the black list just for speculating that, but oh well. There was a huge (completely justifiable in every way) outcry when Americans finally realized what was going on with the Nazis. Millions of people were being systematically murdered. Here, right in our own country, millions and millions of babies are being murdered, and where is the outrage? Is it because we can't see the victims? It is because they are small? Someone please explain this to me. I'm not for violence at all, but surely something more can be done, non-violently. What can we do? When Jesus comes back to fight in the Battle of Armagedon are you gonna say that is an unjust war too? There are many examples in the Old Testament where God commanded the Jewish people to kill whole tribes of men, women and children. Why? Because these tribes sacrificed their babies to pagan gods like Baal. God point. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jun 10, 2009 11:15:26 GMT -5
WHo is Tiller and i might just be able to put my 2cents in  |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 10, 2009 11:21:54 GMT -5
I agree, the end doesn't justify the means. But it does make me wonder how people create these complex "just war" theories and apply them only to other countries. And then there are army Chaplains and "evangelical" soldiers in some places! But what about abortion? Can there be a "just" civil war? I'm probably on the black list just for speculating that, but oh well. There was a huge (completely justifiable in every way) outcry when Americans finally realized what was going on with the Nazis. Millions of people were being systematically murdered. Here, right in our own country, millions and millions of babies are being murdered, and where is the outrage? Is it because we can't see the victims? It is because they are small? Someone please explain this to me. I'm not for violence at all, but surely something more can be done, non-violently. What can we do? When Jesus comes back to fight in the Battle of Armagedon are you gonna say that is an unjust war too? There are many examples in the Old Testament where God commanded the Jewish people to kill whole tribes of men, women and children. Why? Because these tribes sacrificed their babies to pagan gods like Baal. I'm confused. Did you read my post? I actually agree with the just war theory(at least the way the Catholic Church says it) I'm saying we need a "just war" against the abortion nazis, but preferrably non-violent |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 10, 2009 11:22:54 GMT -5
Besides, you know the Gov. can read everything we type here. Why would I instigate myself unnecessarily?
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 10, 2009 11:23:43 GMT -5
CC. I think Tiller was some crazy abortion performing "doctor" and then some other crazy guy shot him.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jun 10, 2009 12:08:26 GMT -5
Yeah, dont think he should have been shot....just those entering the clinic haha. Not really, but they need to shut these facilities down!
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 10, 2009 12:14:48 GMT -5
Agreed, Marcie...they defintly need to be shut down. Enough innocent blood has been spilt.
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 10, 2009 14:19:36 GMT -5
But who is "they"? The gov. isn't about to shut them down, so who will?
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 10, 2009 14:22:42 GMT -5
IMO it boils down to the people....the general public. The more people who are Christians, the more pressure the government will feel to do "Christian" things.
Which is why I don't see things like abortion changing.....at least not anytime soon.
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Post by watchman on Jun 10, 2009 15:14:06 GMT -5
IMO it boils down to the people....the general public. The more people who are Christians, the more pressure the government will feel to do "Christian" things. Which is why I don't see things like abortion changing.....at least not anytime soon. True Christians are scarce. 80% of American claim to be ''christian''. However only 40% of those that claim to be ''christian'', claim to be born again, and only 4% of those claiming to being born again say they have a biblical world view. So 40% of 80% is 32% of the whole and 4% of the 40% =less than 3% of the whole. So all though 80% of all Americans only about 2.5% seem to be actually following Christ. God told me when I was first saved 20% of those going to church every Sunday believing they are saved are actually going to Heaven. So according to that lets say that only the 40% claiming to be born again even know what a christian is, and that is 32% of the whole 20% of 32% is 6% of the whole. So according to these calculations only 3% to 6% of American are truly born again and following Christ. |
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