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Post by emily445455 on Jun 10, 2009 15:27:57 GMT -5
Joey, I definlty believe that.
But even when it was more of a "Christian" nation...even if it was just superficial Christianity....the government felt pressured to do things Biblically. I'm not saying being a fake-Christian is good...just saying for the sake of saying it I guess. Christianity is becomeing a bad thing....so of course the laws are going to go in the opposite direction.
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 10, 2009 17:35:39 GMT -5
Ok, so david and Goliath--- why can't the Christians, no matter how many, and the other people that are pro-life, get together and do something drastic? (again, non-violent)
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jun 10, 2009 23:13:31 GMT -5
How about VOTE for your local mayor,govenor, and a PRO LIFE president. That is where we start. Gotta get these fools out of office!
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 11, 2009 8:51:28 GMT -5
Marcie, I did.....obviously it didn't work lol  |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 11, 2009 10:36:02 GMT -5
I did too! I took my little list with me. Though I have to say I'm not sure if the guy I voted for the office of Agricutural secretary(or something like that) for West Virginia is pro-life, but I can only hope.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jun 11, 2009 15:45:32 GMT -5
Yeah, we did our part...we just have to spread the word! And what is sad is that most young adults dont vote on beliefs but popularity. Obama came off as a cool cat, and he got their votes. Just spread the word!
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Post by Cepha on Jun 12, 2009 8:25:17 GMT -5
What about the death of Hitler? The death of Tiller probably saved as many or more live that killing Hitler did. Was the death of Hitler a bad thing? Yes. Vengeance is His sayeth The Lord. It was a complete violation of the commandment that we are not to murder. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 12, 2009 9:14:39 GMT -5
Yeah, dont think he should have been shot....just those entering the clinic haha. Not really, but they need to shut these facilities down! Hey, that's The United States Government for you...protecting a woman's right to premeditatively murder their own children.  (And some people say this is a Christian country...  ) |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 12, 2009 9:18:14 GMT -5
IMO it boils down to the people....the general public. The more people who are Christians, the more pressure the government will feel to do "Christian" things. Which is why I don't see things like abortion changing.....at least not anytime soon. Take all the Catholics and Atheists and add them up (for you Protestants that believe Catholics aren't Christians) and Protestants still are the overwhelming majority making this a Protestant country. If abortion is legal, it's because Protestants allow it. Now, if this were a Catholic run country by devout Catholics (not the pseudo Catholics) or if Protestants that run the country now were "Christian" when it came to abortion, then abortion would be treatex as what it is... ...premeditated murder. But until we have either devout Catholics or devout Protestants or even Muslims running the country (in Muslim nations just as in Catholic nations, abortion is illegal), this country will continue to allow the premeditated murder of innocent children.  |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 12, 2009 9:24:45 GMT -5
How about VOTE for your local mayor,govenor, and a PRO LIFE president. That is where we start. Gotta get these fools out of office! Well, it's obvious that there aren't enough Pro-Life Americans. Me? I didn't vote for Obama because he was Pro-Choice. I had no option when it came to life issues. McCain agrees with Obama (and against The Church) on Stem Cell Research, on abortions for rape/incest/mother's health leaving only one other option..."on demand" (as if rape/incest/mother's health abortions somehow aren't on demand ). So, either President would've been Pro-Choice. McCain was just "one" option away from Obama when you look at his statements. However, McCain (who throughout his whole campaign) never once forwarded a "plan" to fix the economy. Everybody knows that one of the biggest leading factors in abortion are economic reasons. McCain would've continued the failed Bush Policies that brought our country to failure and abortions would've gone up again. Most women who have abortions are middle class women and most are in actual relationships. Statistics show that as the economy goes up, abortions plummet. That's a fact. Anyway, in the Obama Presidency, America NOW considers itself 51% Pro-Life! Obama! Obama! Obama! ;D |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 12, 2009 9:29:36 GMT -5
Yeah, we did our part...we just have to spread the word! And what is sad is that most young adults dont vote on beliefs but popularity. Obama came off as a cool cat, and he got their votes. Just spread the word! The "word" was spread. Americans didn't buy it. The election is over. Obama got their votes because of his policies. And their working. America today is more optimistic about our economy, the economy continues to grow and we are coming back together as the country rejects the divisiveness of the Bush Presidency. And now, all the Right Wing Extremists Racists are coming out of the woodwork because the election of a Black man to be our nation's leader is driving them crazy. They can't stand to see his Black face on TV. They can't stand to see his Black wife running The White House. They can't stand to see his Black children playing in The White House. They hate him (along with about 34% of Americans). That's ok though becasue most Americans are happy with our choice. He has a lot of mess to clean up (just like Clinton did with Bush's father's mess), but as recent history has shown us, only Democrats know how to keep our country safe, how to protect our country and how to make our country prosperous. ;D |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 12, 2009 9:50:19 GMT -5
IMO it boils down to the people....the general public. The more people who are Christians, the more pressure the government will feel to do "Christian" things. Which is why I don't see things like abortion changing.....at least not anytime soon. True Christians are scarce. 80% of American claim to be ''christian''. However only 40% of those that claim to be ''christian'', claim to be born again, and only 4% of those claiming to being born again say they have a biblical world view. So 40% of 80% is 32% of the whole and 4% of the 40% =less than 3% of the whole. So all though 80% of all Americans only about 2.5% seem to be actually following Christ. God told me when I was first saved 20% of those going to church every Sunday believing they are saved are actually going to Heaven. So according to that lets say that only the 40% claiming to be born again even know what a christian is, and that is 32% of the whole 20% of 32% is 6% of the whole. So according to these calculations only 3% to 6% of American are truly born again and following Christ. More Pharistical Christian exclusionism and divisiveness (Satan would love to hear that!). Sounds a lot like this guy... Luke 18:9-14 9 And he spake also this parable unto certain who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and set all others at nought:
10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as the rest of men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week; I give tithes of all that I get.
13 But the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote his breast, saying, God, be thou merciful to me a sinner.
14 I say unto you, This man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be humbled; but he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. You guys go right on ahead and keep "exalting" yourselves here on earth. Meanwhile, I'll follow Christ's example regarding those "churches" not directly ministering with His Church! Luke 9:49-50John answered and said, "Master, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name;
and we tried to prevent him because he does not follow along with us." But Jesus said to him, "Do not hinder him; for he who is not against you is for you."  |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 12, 2009 10:15:05 GMT -5
Joey, I definlty believe that. But even when it was more of a "Christian" nation...even if it was just superficial Christianity....the government felt pressured to do things Biblically. I'm not saying being a fake-Christian is good...just saying for the sake of saying it I guess. Christianity is becomeing a bad thing....so of course the laws are going to go in the opposite direction. I'd never say that Christianity is becomming a bad thing. It does not bow down to human behavior. The failures of Christians to bow down to Christianity is what leads these persons to make poor decisions (most of which can be attributed to poor indoctrination). This goes for all Christians of all denominations along with universal Christians. Christianity is a religion plain and simple. It does not force anyone to do anything. It's been misused, yes, but Christianity itself never started a war, never persecuted people and never did anything of it's own accord. People have done those things in it's name (again). Now, this country is mostly Protestant. That cannot be denied. If you are going to blame Chrisianity, then you have to first fault those which lead this country and those which control the government and those that voted them in. Us basically (all of us who voted and those of us who could've voted but didn't have fault as well). The things that happen here, don't happen in Catholic run countries. All Protestant run countries allow abortion. No Catholic run countries allow abortion. In those Catholic majority countries like Brazil, the more abortions that are had coincide with the number of Protestant churches that pop up. Don't believe me? Check it out for yourselves. Wherever Protestantism takes over a country, the country then loses it's power and it falls apart (Northern Ireland, England, America, Germany, etc...). And those countries that were once overwhelmingly Catholic (like France for example) are falling apart as Protestantism takes hold in their lands. |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 12, 2009 12:42:50 GMT -5
Steven, I never said you said Christianity is becoming a bad thing. I was just stating it as a fact. Real, true Christians are not liked.
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Post by alfie on Jun 12, 2009 13:46:45 GMT -5
Joey, I definlty believe that. But even when it was more of a "Christian" nation...even if it was just superficial Christianity....the government felt pressured to do things Biblically. I'm not saying being a fake-Christian is good...just saying for the sake of saying it I guess. Christianity is becomeing a bad thing....so of course the laws are going to go in the opposite direction. I'd never say that Christianity is becomming a bad thing. It does not bow down to human behavior. The failures of Christians to bow down to Christianity is what leads these persons to make poor decisions (most of which can be attributed to poor indoctrination). This goes for all Christians of all denominations along with universal Christians. Christianity is a religion plain and simple. It does not force anyone to do anything. It's been misused, yes, but Christianity itself never started a war, never persecuted people and never did anything of it's own accord. People have done those things in it's name (again). Now, this country is mostly Protestant. That cannot be denied. If you are going to blame Chrisianity, then you have to first fault those which lead this country and those which control the government and those that voted them in. Us basically (all of us who voted and those of us who could've voted but didn't have fault as well). The things that happen here, don't happen in Catholic run countries. All Protestant run countries allow abortion. No Catholic run countries allow abortion. In those Catholic majority countries like Brazil, the more abortions that are had coincide with the number of Protestant churches that pop up. Don't believe me? Check it out for yourselves. Wherever Protestantism takes over a country, the country then loses it's power and it falls apart (Northern Ireland, England, America, Germany, etc...). And those countries that were once overwhelmingly Catholic (like France for example) are falling apart as Protestantism takes hold in their lands. But Cepha.... Obama is a Protestant! So by your definition he's pond scum. |
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Post by alfie on Jun 12, 2009 13:51:44 GMT -5
IMO it boils down to the people....the general public. The more people who are Christians, the more pressure the government will feel to do "Christian" things. Which is why I don't see things like abortion changing.....at least not anytime soon. Take all the Catholics and Atheists and add them up (for you Protestants that believe Catholics aren't Christians) and Protestants still are the overwhelming majority making this a Protestant country. If abortion is legal, it's because Protestants allow it. Now, if this were a Catholic run country by devout Catholics (not the pseudo Catholics) or if Protestants that run the country now were "Christian" when it came to abortion, then abortion would be treatex as what it is... ...premeditated murder. But until we have either devout Catholics or devout Protestants or even Muslims running the country (in Muslim nations just as in Catholic nations, abortion is illegal), this country will continue to allow the premeditated murder of innocent children. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm! The other night on EWTN I saw that America has been consecrated to Mary. She's not doing too good of a job. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 12, 2009 13:56:13 GMT -5
Take all the Catholics and Atheists and add them up (for you Protestants that believe Catholics aren't Christians) and Protestants still are the overwhelming majority making this a Protestant country. If abortion is legal, it's because Protestants allow it. Now, if this were a Catholic run country by devout Catholics (not the pseudo Catholics) or if Protestants that run the country now were "Christian" when it came to abortion, then abortion would be treatex as what it is... ...premeditated murder. But until we have either devout Catholics or devout Protestants or even Muslims running the country (in Muslim nations just as in Catholic nations, abortion is illegal), this country will continue to allow the premeditated murder of innocent children. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm! The other night on EWTN I saw that America has been consecrated to Mary. She's not doing too good of a job. LOL! You can't blame Mary for that! She can't force Protestants to stop agreeing with abortion! ;D And...don't you think that the country becomming 51% (the first time in our nations history) Pro-Life is a good thing? Isn't that a good sign?  |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 12, 2009 14:02:41 GMT -5
Steven, I never said you said Christianity is becoming a bad thing. I was just stating it as a fact. Real, true Christians are not liked. I knew what you meant Emily. I was just stating what I said the way I said it as a way to "not" seem like I was saying you were wrong. I disagree with the statement that real true Christians are not liked. To the contrary, real true Christians are loved by other religions and faiths and even by Atheists because they act in a manner that reflects Christ. They don't pass judgement on others or condemn others to hell or spew offensive things to people. People who refer to themselves as "real true Christians" do these things and reflect poorly on Christianity. I believe that true Christianity (whether practiced by universal or denominational Christians) attracts people to The Faith. I was brought back to Christianity by the compassionate acts of a Priest who helped me in my time of need. I saw Christ reflected in his works. I've also had that same feeling from Protestants too. I'm working on practcing true Christianity from now on. Feel free to correct me whenever you see me step out of line Em. I trust you. I know you are a kind hearted person and I see Christ in you. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 12, 2009 14:03:40 GMT -5
But Cepha.... Obama is a Protestant! So by your definition he's pond scum. Alfie, could you explain this to me please? |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 12, 2009 14:27:10 GMT -5
Steven, thank you, your last statement was encouraging.
I guess I can't really say, since I don't really have any friends or contact with people off-line...at least not outside of my church. I am a member of many forums, lots of which start thread asking questions like "what do you think about homosexuality/abortion/gay marriage/etc etc" and when I share my views, I get cursed out, told I'm not worth talking to, called judgemental, etc etc. That's why I say true Christians are not liked. Maybe in real life I would be....I don't know, I don't have the pleasure of having friends I guess.
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